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Paul Bethke said:
I am not imposing my standards, it is the Creator who created the universe who stipulates how people should conduct themselves in his creation.
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It is you who is choosing to believe that the Bible is accurate (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), and who is choosing to interpret it in the manner you do (despite expert scholars' alternative interpretations), so they are definitely your standards. It is also you who insists that people who don't believe a word of your nonsense are as bound by those standards as you are, which is yet more nonsense.
 
Pixel42 said:
It is you who is choosing to believe that the Bible is accurate (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), and who is choosing to interpret it in the manner you do (despite expert scholars' alternative interpretations), so they are definitely your standards. It is also you who insists that people who don't believe a word of your nonsense are as bound by those standards as you are, which is yet more nonsense.
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Very well put, if what you say is true!
 
Paul Bethke said:
I am not imposing my standards, it is the Creator who created the universe who stipulates how people should conduct themselves in his creation. So you do not have the power to resist his will.

It would be quite funny when you come to see how wrong you are—funny but very sad, as your stance will result in you being terrified as is stated-- Is 13:8 Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labour. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.

We are most certainly living in the period when the Creator will reveal himself through his power, so Mr Slowvehicle enjoy your aberration.
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No you ARE imposing YOUR standards

Everyone else has no more reason to follow your standards than to follow the flying spagetti monsters, or the Incas...

We have as much `proof' of either of them being right as your beliefs...

In fact you are yourself the `aberation' being not only in breech of your own proported beliefs, but of general societies beliefs...


I am sure that you could gain little if no support for `your' particular beliefs being correct- so why are they???

WHY???

because you say so??


thats a pretty weak argument- EVERY so called `profit' (and yes I use that particular spelling as it seems to be the norm...) SAYS `they are the one, the only one...

WHY are YOU the ONLY ONE







EVA!!!!!

to be right??


Well???
 
Paul Bethke said:
I am not imposing my standards, it is the Creator who created the universe who stipulates how people should conduct themselves in his creation. So you do not have the power to resist his will.
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As has been demonstrated before, what you preach is, in fact, "your standards": your version of your interpretation of someone else's translation of what you claim your scriptures are to be supposed to contain (scriptures you, yourself cannot even read, leaving you at the mercy of others' opinions as to their contents).

Never mind that other xian fabulists disagree with you (and with each other, vehemently); your claim that you simply preach "the creator's" stipulations falls short of evidence on almost every level.

Paul Bethke said:
It would be quite funny when you come to see how wrong you are—funny but very sad, as your stance will result in you being terrified as is stated-- Is 13:8 Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labour. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.
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Interesting opinion. The fact that it is based upon your understanding of your scriptures (see above) makes it as meaningful as fanfic about Deadpool vs. Wolverine; or shipping Yang Xiao Wang and Blake Beladonna; or describing how Huehuecoyotl tricked the Overpeople into letting humans have fire...

Paul Bethke said:
We are most certainly living in the period when the Creator will reveal himself through his power, so Mr Slowvehicle enjoy your aberration.
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Again, an unsupported opinion; see above. Given your intentional misinterpretations of Hebrew, you should deal with the critical errors in your own eyes before referring to what you see as "aberration" in someone else's.

...but at least you get to anticipate watching me be tortured for all eternity for not letting your monster-'god' save me from what it will do to me if I do not let it "save" me...enjoy!

ETA: as is so often the case, I am capably ninja-ed by Pixel42. That will teach me to sleep...

AETA: and Dabop.
 
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abaddon said:
If we don't have the power to resist your god's will, then we cannot be sinners as we are all simply obeying god's will.

If on the other hand we are all sinners, that can only be because we can easily resist your god's will and your god is inneffectual.
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Further, the irresistible "creator" is to be supposed to have "created" me as I am. Were that a real thing, whose fault would it be that the "creator" has not presented the level of evidence upon which it "created" me to depend?
 
Slowvehicle said:
Further, the irresistible "creator" is to be supposed to have "created" me as I am. Were that a real thing, whose fault would it be that the "creator" has not presented the level of evidence upon which it "created" me to depend?
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You Sir have the knowledge of right and wrong---so it depends on what you choose—Yeshua said we must treat others in a way that we would like to be treated---the law of the land also describes behaviour, and there is a penalty for crime.

Rom 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

So if you on the only basis that you have never lied, you will be declared righteous.
 
Paul Bethke said:
You Sir have the knowledge of right and wrong---so it depends on what you choose—Yeshua said we must treat others in a way that we would like to be treated---the law of the land also describes behaviour, and there is a penalty for crime.



Rom 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.



So if you on the only basis that you have never lied, you will be declared righteous.
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Knowledge of right and wrong is not innate, it is taught.

Every society, regardless of the deities worshipped, has laws against murder, theft, etc. That does not mean that they all secretly follow Yahweh, that means that some of the rules necessary to keep a functional society are common. In addition, many of the earliest law codes predate the Bible.
 
Slowvehicle said:
As has been demonstrated before, what you preach is, in factr, "your standards": your version of your interpretation of someone else's translation of what you claim your scriptures are to be supposed to contain (scriptures you, yourself cannot even read, leaving you at the mercy of others' opinions as to their contents).
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This seems to be you regular response—the translations that I use are more than adequate to understand the complete revelation.
They are not my standards, but that of the Creator—the Decalogue cannot be misinterpreted, and all the moral requirements are based there in.

Never mind that other xian fabulists disagree with you (and with each other, vehemently); your claim that you simply preach "the creator's" stipulations falls short of evidence on almost every level.
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The problem with all the other denominations is that they are puke.( (CJB) Rev 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of my mouth! )

Interesting opinion. The fact that it is based upon your understanding of your scriptures (see above) makes it as meaningful as fanfic about Deadpool vs. Wolverine; or shipping Yang Xiao Wang and Blake Beladonna; or describing how Huehuecoyotl tricked the Overpeople into letting humans have fire...
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They are not my Scriptures, but those of the Creator, which Yeshua conveyed to the world to inform us of the requirements of righteousness.

Again, an unsupported opinion; see above. Given your intentional misinterpretations of Hebrew, you should deal with the critical errors in your own eyes before referring to what you see as "aberration" in someone else's.
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There is nothing wrong with the translation that I use—I use an English translation of the Hebrew text, nothing wrong with that.
...but at least you get to anticipate watching me be tortured for all eternity for not letting your monster-'god' save me from what it will do to me if I do not let it "save" me...enjoy!

ETA: as is so often the case, I am capably ninja-ed by Pixel42. That will teach me to sleep...

AETA: and Dabop.
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Why would I relish the opportunity to see you suffer because of your blasphemy—I would rather see you enjoy the joy of knowing the truth, and I hope that when this is revealed that you will not persist in your blasphemy.
 
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Paul Bethke said:
I am not imposing my standards, it is the Creator who created the universe who stipulates how people should conduct themselves in his creation. So you do not have the power to resist his will.

It would be quite funny when you come to see how wrong you are—funny but very sad, as your stance will result in you being terrified as is stated-- Is 13:8 Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labour. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.

We are most certainly living in the period when the Creator will reveal himself through his power, so Mr Slowvehicle enjoy your aberration.
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You find the middle paragraph funny?

How can you reconcile that with JC's "turn the other cheek"?
 
Border Reiver said:
Knowledge of right and wrong is not innate, it is taught.

Every society, regardless of the deities worshipped, has laws against murder, theft, etc. That does not mean that they all secretly follow Yahweh, that means that some of the rules necessary to keep a functional society are common. In addition, many of the earliest law codes predate the Bible.
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So the simple laws that we have do not protect people from those who disregard those laws—the Decalogue then is a simple illustration that the Creator has set forth—so if you have never lied, you are righteous—but on the other hand if you have lied, then you are a liar.
 
Dabop said:
No you ARE imposing YOUR standards

Everyone else has no more reason to follow your standards than to follow the flying spagetti monsters, or the Incas...

We have as much `proof' of either of them being right as your beliefs...

In fact you are yourself the `aberation' being not only in breech of your own proported beliefs, but of general societies beliefs...


I am sure that you could gain little if no support for `your' particular beliefs being correct- so why are they???

WHY???

because you say so??


thats a pretty weak argument- EVERY so called `profit' (and yes I use that particular spelling as it seems to be the norm...) SAYS `they are the one, the only one...

WHY are YOU the ONLY ONE






EVA!!!!!

to be right??


Well???
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WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE—the reason is because I am THE ONLY ONE who understands the complete revelation!
 
Paul Bethke said:
So the simple laws that we have do not protect people from those who disregard those laws—the Decalogue then is a simple illustration that the Creator has set forth—so if you have never lied, you are righteous—but on the other hand if you have lied, then you are a liar.
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And? (Other than your statement above does not address my statement)

No set of rules stops people from breaking those rules. They set out expectations of behaviour and penalties for being caught at breaking them.
 
Border Reiver said:
And? (Other than your statement above does not address my statement)

No set of rules stops people from breaking those rules. They set out expectations of behaviour and penalties for being caught at breaking them.
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You are correct—it appears that the stipulation of laws, does not stop people from breaking those very laws---the Kingdom of God will in all aspects prevent people from violating the cardinal laws.
Jas_2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbour as yourself," you are doing right.
 
Border Reiver said:
Knowledge of right and wrong is not innate, it is taught.

Every society, regardless of the deities worshipped, has laws against murder, theft, etc. That does not mean that they all secretly follow Yahweh, that means that some of the rules necessary to keep a functional society are common. In addition, many of the earliest law codes predate the Bible.
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The laws may predate the Bible—but the Bible gives a clear picture of how the Creator intended for people to live—Noah would have passed on these precepts, so what transpired from there shows a distinct departure of what was required of man to facilitate the right way.


Abraham lived prior to the Torah being written and he lived a righteous life.
( Gen 18:19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.")
 
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