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Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VI

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If he meant the media, why does Trump keep telling his supporters to show up at polling places "in certain areas"? Certain areas? Y'mean media outlets?

Steve S

I am so sick of his surrogates interviews. Time and time again Trump says things where his meaning is clear and yet his sycophants go on TV and say No, that is not what he meant. And the interviewers let them get away with it. Trump usually leaves no ambiguity as to his meaning and these a-holes have the gall to accuse us for getting it wrong?

It's sickening.
 
"I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

-- Rudy Giuliani


Not all of Trump's people say it's just a slanted media.
 
But this ignores the public charge being put forth. Few if any people are calling Bill a perjurer.

This went pretty far afield.

It was suggested that they went after Bill for a bj.

They went after him for lying about it under oath. Which is why he can no longer practice law. NOT for getting a bj.

And, again, I don't think I ever mentioned perjury.
 
It's happened to me and it's not acceptable. I'm saying it's not in the same league as Bill Cosby. I've known men who behave like this, but I don't think they (necessarily) need to be locked up. A punch in the nose, certainly. Public humiliation, definitely.

I can understand this.

It seems that most sexual crimes these days are called "sexual assault", which doesn't distinguish between violent rape and simpler gross misconduct. Neither of these are acceptable, but they're not morally equivalent either.

I think that the distinction comes in sentencing, not in the charge. These days, both violent rape and forcing your tongue down the throat of an unwilling woman might be sexual assault, but they don't generate the same sentence (and the latter probably doesn't generate charges at all, although it probably could).
 
Check your state's laws on the matter.

Sexual assaults and/or sexual batteries are usually defined and differentiated with some rather specific and graphic language.
 
Perjury is not evidence Bill is a "known sexual predator" now is it? :rolleyes:

Not to mention how many people there are who lie in courts about affairs who are never charged with perjury.

Surely, Fast Eddie B said not a darned thing to suggest that perjury was evidence that Clinton is a "known sexual predator".

And your second sentence seems rather beside the point.
 
"I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

-- Rudy Giuliani


Not all of Trump's people say it's just a slanted media.
Giuliani has gone full-bore, claiming cover-up of alleged rigging in 2012 that was found to be baseless. They're back to fraud being endemic in "inner-city" areas, as if voter suppression had never happened.

I can't see where this is going to end up; there's nothing resembling a modern precedent I can think of.
 
The point that she is making, and she can correct me if I'm wrong, is that lying under oath is not necessarily perjury, and is rarely prosecuted even when the court is aware that someone has lied under oath.

The second bit is irrelevant, really. The question is whether lying under oath ought to count as an impeachable offense, not whether it is always prosecuted. (I think reasonable persons can disagree on this point.)

The common definition of perjury is fairly clear: "The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony under oath." If the relevant U.S. law differs, then I don't know how. Can you explain how one can lie under oath without committing perjury?
 
"I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

-- Rudy Giuliani

Even if you could prove that someone used a dead person's name to vote more than once, how would he know who they voted for.

Steve S
 
Giuliani has gone full-bore, claiming cover-up of alleged rigging in 2012 that was found to be baseless. They're back to fraud being endemic in "inner-city" areas, as if voter suppression had never happened.

I can't see where this is going to end up; there's nothing resembling a modern precedent I can think of.

And there is definitely strong evidence of that Unlike the others.
 
Check your state's laws on the matter.

Sexual assaults and/or sexual batteries are usually defined and differentiated with some rather specific and graphic language.

I'll admit I'm not educated on these matters. I had the impression that sexual assault covered everything these days.

Here's what I find at a mass.gov site, which seems to support your comment.

Sexual assault and rape are crimes of violence and control, using sex acts as a weapon. Rape and sexual assault are not sexually motivated acts; rather, they stem from aggression, rage, sexism, and the determination to exercise power over someone else. Rape is also a legal term that is defined in Massachusetts by three elements: penetration of any orifice by any object; force or threat of force; against the will of the victim. Sexual assault is often more broadly defined as any sexual activity that is forced or coerced or unwanted.​

I'm a little annoyed to see the highlighted bit on a page purporting to define sexual assault and rape. Doesn't seem to me that motive is part of the definition, nor that it's obvious that sexual motivation is irrelevant (or how one would establish that claim).

But this is a minor aside. The main point is that, at least in my state, you're absolutely right that there is still a fairly clear line between rape and assault. (There does seem to be the problem that a woman forcing a man to penetrate her isn't committing rape and we can argue whether that's strictly speaking fair or not, but I think that in practice, it is inconsequential. I'm not going MRA here, for goodness' sake!)
 
With these latest accusations about mythical voter fraud Trump and his cronies can do real long term damage. You have to seriously fear for the safety of Hilary Clinton and anyone who has stood against Trump. As long as his wacko supporters can convince themselves he will still somehow be elected president they will hold back but things could turn really ugly on November 9th.
 
This went pretty far afield.

It was suggested that they went after Bill for a bj.

They went after him for lying about it under oath. Which is why he can no longer practice law. NOT for getting a bj.

And, again, I don't think I ever mentioned perjury.

Who is 'they'?
 
Giuliani has gone full-bore, claiming cover-up of alleged rigging in 2012 that was found to be baseless. They're back to fraud being endemic in "inner-city" areas, as if voter suppression had never happened.

I can't see where this is going to end up; there's nothing resembling a modern precedent I can think of.

They did everything they could to suppress the vote, and yet the official returns show that people still voted. Fraud! --Sad.
 
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