Trump could win presidency: Yes or No?

[The Greater Fool]

Kittens, pussy, what's the difference?

Teeth.

 

[bruto]

I did not notice all that much about Trump's behavior in the debate except for his facial contortions, and the fact that almost everything he said that was not off topic was either false or stupid. He could have acted as presidential as hell and he still would be just as stupid and just as poor a choice as ever.

 

[Bob001]

Oh, come now. That someone is a "stalker" is not a fact.

The man paced in an awkward manner, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not. We might as well go back to his damned sniffles if this is a relevant consideration regarding his debate performance.
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I'm not alone in thinking so:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13223506/donald-trump-stalking-hillary-clinton
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-stalks-clinton-creepily-but-hell-never-catch-her/

 

[Andy_Ross]

Why didn't he sit down? Corset too tight?

 

[CapelDodger]

Why didn't he sit down? Corset too tight?

Catty.

 

[phiwum]

I'm not alone in thinking so:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13223506/donald-trump-stalking-hillary-clinton
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-stalks-clinton-creepily-but-hell-never-catch-her/

Agreed, you're not alone.

But that doesn't make it simple fact. It makes it shared opinion.

The word "stalk" in this context is obviously open to interpretation. There is no clear, unambiguous definition which would settle the issue. Hence, it comes down to opinion (or spin).

Why bother with such unimportant claims?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Am I wrong or do they have a choice of cameras that they could chose the shots they take and how they taken them?

Camera shots lie. Like the vulture supposedly stalking the black child in Africa. The viewer is deceived. And so it is with the Clinton supporters. BTW, are any of you interested in a bridge I have for sale? From Manhattan to Brooklyn.

When Clinton wins the election, how are you going to grieve? Will you go out and buy some tic-tacs?

 

[davefoc]

This is my last post on this topic, but who the heck were the 30 people that thought there was a 100% chance that Trump would be elected? I know I haven't been participating in the forum a lot lately, maybe a whole lot of people got banned and they were the ones that thought there was a 100% chance of a Trump win so they're not here to respond to my ridicule.

One of the things I've noticed over the years is that the Central Scrutinizer doesn't think much of polls and he seems to just vote for the most unlikely possibility. The scrut vote if you will. Did scrut vote multiple times in the poll? Are more people using the scrut vote ploy as a form of protest against all forum polls these days?

 

[Foolmewunz]

This is my last post on this topic, but who the heck were the 30 people that thought there was a 100% chance that Trump would be elected? I know I haven't been participating in the forum a lot lately, maybe a whole lot of people got banned and they were the ones that thought there was a 100% chance of a Trump win so they're not here to respond to my ridicule.

One of the things I've noticed over the years is that the Central Scrutinizer doesn't think much of polls and he seems to just vote for the most unlikely possibility. The scrut vote if you will. Did scrut vote multiple times in the poll? Are more people using the scrut vote ploy as a form of protest against all forum polls these days?

I believe you may be conflating "who do you think will win" with "who do you want to win". We have a small coterie of hard core conservatives... I'd say half that vote could be them, and they're voting their hearts more than reality (sunmaster, for instance, if he voted Trump, knows he's going to lose).

We have at least two (one American, one foreign) neo-cryptic-militarist-plutocrats who don't care if it's Trump as long as it's a strong man dictatorial type

There are a number of meddling furriners who believe the worst of the USA at any given time and who may abhor Trump but think that the USA is collectively dull-witted enough to support him.

You also have possible paranoid liberals who hold similar views about the direction the USA has been moving out in the hustings.

Add all those together? Yeah, I can see 30 (or more) having that impression.

ETA: That's not just 30. Add the 9 who think Trump will win but are worried. But that's out of 215 votes. About 15%. That's about the number of hidebound bigots, by percentage, who support Trump.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Dutch comedy show Lucky TV made this: http://www.luckytv.nl/time-of-my-life/

It has millions of views, which is amazing for a Dutch TV gag. It's hilarious, though.

 

[Belz...]

Oh, come now. That someone is a "stalker" is not a fact.

The man paced in an awkward manner, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not. We might as well go back to his damned sniffles if this is a relevant consideration regarding his debate performance.

There are many, many very good reasons to loathe Trump. "Stalking" Clinton in the second debate is really reaching for an additional criticism when none is needed.

Welcome to the politics section.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

I'm not alone in thinking so:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13223506/donald-trump-stalking-hillary-clinton
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-stalks-clinton-creepily-but-hell-never-catch-her/

During the debate, someone at 538 mentioned that Hillary was taking a page from Bill's playbook and positioning herself so that cameras would see her opponent in the background. It lets people see all his reactions and such, which can look bad. Apparently Bill did this with Bush.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

During the debate, someone at 538 mentioned that Hillary was taking a page from Bill's playbook and positioning herself so that cameras would see her opponent in the background. It lets people see all his reactions and such, which can look bad. Apparently Bill did this with Bush.

This doesn't make much sense: Clinton moved close to the cameras and/or the audience members who asked the questions. All that those is widen the angle of the camera, but she has no power over where The Donald is going to move.

 

[thaiboxerken]

This doesn't make much sense: Clinton moved close to the cameras and/or the audience members who asked the questions. All that those is widen the angle of the camera, but she has no power over where The Donald is going to move.

Also, Donald could have just sat down instead of pacing around like a nervous, crack addict. He was leaning on the chair quite a bit too.

 

[jimbob]

This doesn't make much sense: Clinton moved close to the cameras and/or the audience members who asked the questions. All that those is widen the angle of the camera, but she has no power over where The Donald is going to move.

Weren't people also saying that Clinton benefitted from people seeing her reaction and body language response whilst Trump was talking in the first debate?

 

[Foolmewunz]

This doesn't make much sense: Clinton moved close to the cameras and/or the audience members who asked the questions. All that those is widen the angle of the camera, but she has no power over where The Donald is going to move.

I agree. They had enough cameras to catch her reacting to him and him reacting to her. She got a good tip from someone.... sit still/don't fidget. The director cut to a double shot whenever Trump fidgeted or paced or even just grimaced. All the shots were available. He/she was just using the ones that best told the story. (I know the GOPSpinners say he set her back on her heels, but what I see almost every shot is her looking like the cat who swallowed an entire pet shop full of canaries.)

Trump doesn't have Mark Burnett to edit out his oafishness. His posturing and grimacing, as I've mentioned before, inspire the recollections of Mussolini (thus the lovely nickname of Il Douche). He doesn't want all that caught on camera? Get into another field. Politics is not for you. He could've sat down like a well-behaved gentleman, but that's one of those yuge words he has no familiarity with. He was too busy playing Burnett's Reinvention of Trump, only Burnett wasn't there to yell, "Cut! Donnie, you look like Lurch, fer crissake. Sit yer ass down and stop humping the chair!"

 

[PartSkeptic]

So many here say Clinton won the debate.

Stuck to the issues did she? Trump accuses her of "more of the same", and says she is just "talk". Is he right, given these issues:

Did she explain why she tells big bankers one thing and the public another?

Did she explain how she will enforce a no-fly zone in Syria?

Did she say how she would get the Russians to back down?

Did she say how she would stop radicalization of any Syrians she wants to let in?

Did she say how she is going to renegotiate the trade deals if she keeps the same people Obama has?

Did she say how she is going to stop racial tensions?

Did she say how she is going to force the convicted illegals back to their countries?

Did she say how she will stop illegals and drugs coming in from Mexico without building a wall (which many countries are doing or starting to do).


Did she say how she and Bill and Chelsea will live modestly on her salary IF she becomes President? Without the substantial contributions!

 

[PartSkeptic]

I agree. They had enough cameras to catch her reacting to him and him reacting to her. She got a good tip from someone.... sit still/don't fidget. The director cut to a double shot whenever Trump fidgeted or paced or even just grimaced. All the shots were available. He/she was just using the ones that best told the story. (I know the GOPSpinners say he set her back on her heels, but what I see almost every shot is her looking like the cat who swallowed an entire pet shop full of canaries.)

Trump doesn't have Mark Burnett to edit out his oafishness. His posturing and grimacing, as I've mentioned before, inspire the recollections of Mussolini (thus the lovely nickname of Il Douche). He doesn't want all that caught on camera? Get into another field. Politics is not for you. He could've sat down like a well-behaved gentleman, but that's one of those yuge words he has no familiarity with. He was too busy playing Burnett's Reinvention of Trump, only Burnett wasn't there to yell, "Cut! Donnie, you look like Lurch, fer crissake. Sit yer ass down and stop humping the chair!"

You guys see what you want to see. Confirmation bias, is it?

 

[MikeG]

So many here say Clinton won the debate.

Stuck to the issues did she? Trump accuses her of "more of the same", and says she is just "talk". Is he right, given these issues:

Did she explain why she tells big bankers one thing and the public another?

Did she explain how she will enforce a no-fly zone in Syria?

Did she say how she would get the Russians to back down?

Did she say how she would stop radicalization of any Syrians she wants to let in?

Did she say how she is going to renegotiate the trade deals if she keeps the same people Obama has?

Did she say how she is going to stop racial tensions?

Did she say how she is going to force the convicted illegals back to their countries?

Did she say how she will stop illegals and drugs coming in from Mexico without building a wall (which many countries are doing or starting to do).


Did she say how she and Bill and Chelsea will live modestly on her salary IF she becomes President? Without the substantial contributions!

Did either candidate go into the nitty gritty of policy in this "debate"?

You'd better get used to President Clinton, PS. Haven't you seen the polls?

 

[PartSkeptic]

Did either candidate go into the nitty gritty of policy in this "debate"?

You'd better get used to President Clinton, PS. Haven't you seen the polls?

A Hillary sidestep.

You should read some earlier comments about how Trump uses only personal insults and avoids policy. Is the "high road" not about policy?

Polls. Everyone is pretending to be holier than thou. Voting may be different. I will wait and see.

The USA will get the President that it deserves. Should Hillary win, I will wait for "buyers remorse" as Trump continues his campaign for a better America.