Trump could win presidency: Yes or No?

[Firestone]

FWIW, after some hesitation the betting markets think that Clinton's odds have slightly increased after the debate:



https://electionbettingodds.com/

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Is this an intellectual problem?
Is it really so hard for Trump supporters to see that, as a person under public scrutiny, what you think and what you say shouldn't be always the same?

The problem of "talking straight" is what has led GOP lawmakers to let their bills be written by lobbyists: they don't have the necessary flexibility to seek common ground.

Laws&Sausages, people: it's not a question of how they are made, it's who they benefit.

Well i didnt mind his straight talk in of itself. His issue is that as a political outsider he is used to speaking his mind regardless of the consequences involved. Speaking in a public setting as he is for say... a debate or one that involves more than just a business has serious implications. I've defended Trump alot on policy issues but his temprement can have significant consequences even if he has the best policy intentions in the world.... Im seriously considering Clinton even though i view her as a **** choice as well if nothing else at least to hold us over for 4 years and hopefully we get a much better candidate by then.

I'll keep criticizing voter double standards of course in the mean time. But as for my election choice... im sort of deciding on who will do the least damage over my ideology this tine around

 

[jimbob]

Real clear politics have Alaska going from "Safe Trump" to "Likely Trump"

 

[bruto]

I saw the debate too and if Trump dominated, it was largely because he would not shut up and address the actual questions.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It's very likely that some idiot told Trump to always remain on camera, hence his creepy stalking of Clinton to always be in the picture.

 

[davefoc]

We do have a number of republickers here- enough to easily account for what you note and more.

FWIW, I'm a registered Republican. That didn't blind me to the fact that Trump is disgusting grifter who has routinely engaged in fraudulent business practices and scams throughout his business career and who is using his grifter skills to fire up crowds with race baiting, lies and misrepresentations. I also wasn't blinded to the fact that Trump has routinely engaged in anti-woman rhetoric and actions that would not be helpful in the general election. I also wasn't blinded to the fact that Trump lies relentlessly without remorse and he has almost no empathy for anybody but himself. I also noticed that a lot of his policy ideas are just plain stupid.

I put all that together and thought, gee some of those things might not work in his favor with regard to getting people to vote for him and he might not be president. Somehow there were 30 of my fellow Republicans that participate in the forum that thought that stuff wouldn't matter and there was a 100% chance that he would be elected? Really? Have some of those people changed their minds and now think there is only a 99% chance that Trump will be elected.?

 

[PartSkeptic]

It's very likely that some idiot told Trump to always remain on camera, hence his creepy stalking of Clinton to always be in the picture.

Clinton kept crossing over in front of Trump to be close to the questioner. Trump remained around his chair. Where was he supposed to go stand?

Your bias is so obvious. You have bought the media spin, hook line and sinker, and are now propagating it.

 

[jimbob]

It's very likely that some idiot told Trump to always remain on camera, hence his creepy stalking of Clinton to always be in the picture.

Clinton kept crossing over in front of Trump to be close to the questioner. Trump remained around his chair. Where was he supposed to go stand?

Your bias is so obvious. You have bought the media spin, hook line and sinker, and are now propagating it.

It worked at making him look bad - and you seem to be saying that he could do nothing about it. Why couldn't he try that on Clinton? Or would that just make her look good?

When you're a star; they let you do anything.

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At minimum, he's farting in that shot. Looks like he's trying to pass a kidney stone, though.

I have seen a cruder tweet about that (NSFW but funny)

https://twitter.com/ughHugs/status/785301585916198912?lang=en-gb

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Clinton kept crossing over in front of Trump to be close to the questioner. Trump remained around his chair. Where was he supposed to go stand?

Your bias is so obvious. You have bought the media spin, hook line and sinker, and are now propagating it.

of course I'm biased against Trump: he has said or done nothing that would make me expect him to suddenly do something right.

 

[Bob001]

Clinton kept crossing over in front of Trump to be close to the questioner. Trump remained around his chair. Where was he supposed to go stand?

Your bias is so obvious. You have bought the media spin, hook line and sinker, and are now propagating it.

Trump did not remain around his chair. Trump could have done what Clinton did. When she wasn't answering questions, she mostly did stay at her podium. Trump could have done the same thing. But by looming behind her when she was speaking, he looked like a stalker because, in fact, he was. Facts aren't bias.

 

[MikeG]

Clinton kept crossing over in front of Trump to be close to the questioner. Trump remained around his chair. Where was he supposed to go stand?

Your bias is so obvious. You have bought the media spin, hook line and sinker, and are now propagating it.

That's one special filter setting you've got on that TV of yours.

 

[jimbob]

That's one special filter setting you've got on that TV of yours.

I think that it's something to do with the mythical Kiwi "Tall Poppy syndrome"

No, I haven't a scooby either.

 

[PartSkeptic]

And you think times have changed.

Interesting that becoming a politician ruins people and families.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams

When I went home to my family in May, 1770, from the town meeting in Boston, which was the first I had ever attended, and where I had been chosen in my absence, without any solicitation, one of their representatives, I said to my wife, "I have accepted a seat in the House of Representatives, and thereby have consented to my own ruin, to your ruin, and to the ruin of our children.

I give you this warning, that you may prepare your mind for your fate." She burst into tears, but instantly cried out in a transport of magnanimity, "Well, I am willing in this cause to run all risks with you, and be ruined with you, if you are ruined."

These were times, my friend, in Boston, which tried women's souls as well as men's.

Letter to Benjamin Rush (12 April 1809)

 

[PartSkeptic]

Trump did not remain around his chair. Trump could have done what Clinton did. When she wasn't answering questions, she mostly did stay at her podium. Trump could have done the same thing. But by looming behind her when she was speaking, he looked like a stalker because, in fact, he was. Facts aren't bias.

Am I wrong or do they have a choice of cameras that they could chose the shots they take and how they taken them?

Camera shots lie. Like the vulture supposedly stalking the black child in Africa. The viewer is deceived. And so it is with the Clinton supporters. BTW, are any of you interested in a bridge I have for sale? From Manhattan to Brooklyn.

 

[TriangleMan]

And you think times have changed.

Quote:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams

When I went home to my family in May, 1770, from the town meeting in Boston, which was the first I had ever attended, and where I had been chosen in my absence, without any solicitation, one of their representatives, I said to my wife, "I have accepted a seat in the House of Representatives, and thereby have consented to my own ruin, to your ruin, and to the ruin of our children.

I give you this warning, that you may prepare your mind for your fate." She burst into tears, but instantly cried out in a transport of magnanimity, "Well, I am willing in this cause to run all risks with you, and be ruined with you, if you are ruined."

These were times, my friend, in Boston, which tried women's souls as well as men's.

Letter to Benjamin Rush (12 April 1809)

Interesting that becoming a politician ruins people and families.

The only thing I'm getting from this letter is that John Adams appeared to be a bit of a drama queen.

 

[Darat]

Clinton kept crossing over in front of Trump to be close to the questioner. Trump remained around his chair. Where was he supposed to go stand?

Your bias is so obvious. You have bought the media spin, hook line and sinker, and are now propagating it.

But we know Clinton can't walk on her own - must have been some special effects.

 

[Bob001]

Am I wrong or do they have a choice of cameras that they could chose the shots they take and how they taken them?

Camera shots lie. Like the vulture supposedly stalking the black child in Africa. The viewer is deceived. And so it is with the Clinton supporters. BTW, are any of you interested in a bridge I have for sale? From Manhattan to Brooklyn.

Great. So the tech crew conspired to make Trump look like he was someplace he wasn't? Maybe they doctored that "Access Hollywood" tape, too, and Trump was only talking about kittens.

 

[ddt]

Great. So the tech crew conspired to make Trump look like he was someplace he wasn't? Maybe they doctored that "Access Hollywood" tape, too, and Trump was only talking about kittens.

Kittens, pussy, what's the difference?

 

[phiwum]

Trump did not remain around his chair. Trump could have done what Clinton did. When she wasn't answering questions, she mostly did stay at her podium. Trump could have done the same thing. But by looming behind her when she was speaking, he looked like a stalker because, in fact, he was. Facts aren't bias.

Oh, come now. That someone is a "stalker" is not a fact.

The man paced in an awkward manner, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not. We might as well go back to his damned sniffles if this is a relevant consideration regarding his debate performance.

There are many, many very good reasons to loathe Trump. "Stalking" Clinton in the second debate is really reaching for an additional criticism when none is needed.

 

[phiwum]

The only thing I'm getting from this letter is that John Adams appeared to be a bit of a drama queen.

Really? I thought it was quite a nice bit of dry humor.