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Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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LondonJohn said:
And, more pertinently perhaps, his odes to Kercher - coupled with deeply disquieting posts on things like "Meredith would have loved XYZ" or "The Perugia Meredith loved", and ludicrous (and equally creepy) projections that Kercher was some sort of incredibly high-achieving student (she wasn't) and would have been some sort of really important World figure (almost certainly not) - immediately disqualify him as a sane and rational person to be a commentator on this case.
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Let's not forget Quennell's nutty exchanges with Nina Burleigh:

"Quennell then accused me by email of being on the Knox family payroll, informed me that his sources in Perugia had seen me consorting with Amanda’s mother (I had in fact met with her once, in a public place, by then) and eventually started writing about how he was going to “train his scope” on my apartment in Manhattan, and closing emails with “how are the kiddies?”
 
Vixen said:
You sound like you're jealous. I can assure you Finnish women are very assertive and can look after themselves, as this Russian woman, with a Finnish name, aged 22, most certainly did.

Once again we hear mendacious and malicious lies about a private individual.[/QUOTE]

Quennell ceased being a private individual when he started TJMK. As for them being lies, well...I think the woman he harassed would disagree with that.
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Stacyhs said:
Let's not forget Quennell's nutty exchanges with Nina Burleigh:

"Quennell then accused me by email of being on the Knox family payroll, informed me that his sources in Perugia had seen me consorting with Amanda’s mother (I had in fact met with her once, in a public place, by then) and eventually started writing about how he was going to “train his scope” on my apartment in Manhattan, and closing emails with “how are the kiddies?”
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Nina Burleigh has long attempted to pervert justice on behalf of her client, Amanda.

Let's not forget Nina Burleigh's nutty public offer to give married man Bill Clinton oral sex for supporting abortion on demand.
 
Stacyhs said:
Vixen said:
You sound like you're jealous. I can assure you Finnish women are very assertive and can look after themselves, as this Russian woman, with a Finnish name, aged 22, most certainly did.

Once again we hear mendacious and malicious lies about a private individual.[/QUOTE]

Quennell ceased being a private individual when he started TJMK. As for them being lies, well...I think the woman he harassed would disagree with that.
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There are two sides to every story. What went on between Pete and the ballerina has nothing whatsoever to do with this topic. It was a business fallout, which do tend to be acrimonious.
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Vixen said:
You really are a hater aren't you. They say us Brits suffer from envy, but you're the worst case I've seen in a long time!

Mez was indeed a high-achieving individual who went to Perugia to pursue her dream of becoming a journalist, just like her father.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you have such a compulsion to put people down and degrade them all the time, yet wax lyrical about a pair of nobodies wanting to become celebrities on the backs of Mez' murder, of which they were definitive convicted by the trial judges.
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Oh, a case of the pot calling the kettle black if ever I did see one.:jaw-dropp
 
Vixen said:
You really are a hater aren't you. They say us Brits suffer from envy, but you're the worst case I've seen in a long time!

Mez was indeed a high-achieving individual who went to Perugia to pursue her dream of becoming a journalist, just like her father.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you have such a compulsion to put people down and degrade them all the time, yet wax lyrical about a pair of nobodies wanting to become celebrities on the backs of Mez' murder, of which they were definitive convicted by the trial judges.
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Please stop using the familiar "Mez". Her name is Meredith. She deserves respect, and not the creepy attention you give.
 
Vixen said:
I am sure that is true, but I am not one of them I took the trouble to find out the facts, and came to the same inescapable conclusions as the sympathetic Massei and Nencini. You don't think they wanted to jail them for 30 years, with six years mitigation for youth???
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You came across the following witness:



Quintavalle: I saw Amanda in my store the morning after the murder

Reality: How can you be sure it was Amanda

Quintavalle: because when she was arrested I saw her picture in the newspaper, and I knew right then that the girl in my shop that morning was the very same.

Reality: Then why did you tell the police something different?

Quintavalle: I don't know what you're talking about

Reality: the police came into your shop on the 15th, this would have been a week after the arrest, after you claim you already recognized the girl in the newspaper as the girl in your shop - and they showed you a picture of Amanda and asked you if you saw her in your shop and you said you didn't.

Quintavalle: I don't remember that.

Reality: You remember the clothes a girl were wearing a year later, but don't remember the police questioning you about a murder with a picture of this same girl held right in front of your face after you had already determined it was the same girl you recognized in the newspaper?

Quintavalle: I guess I just forgot...




And came to the following conclusion:

Vixen: he's very reliable.

You didn't take the trouble to find out anything. You indulged your belief with blind faith. Same as every other PGP.
 
Vixen said:
The headline would have been written by the editor, not Nick Pisa.
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You really are desperate to defend Pisa, aren't you? How do you know who wrote the headline? That Pisa had it in his story of that date is fact:

"Knox, whose nickname on her Myspace website is 'Foxy Knoxy', originally claimed she stumbled on the crime after a night with her boyfriend. "

You are assuming that the editor wrote the headline. Not necessarily so. Pisa may well have come up with the idea and his editor liked it. What is fact is that Pisa used the term in almost, if not all, of his stories about Knox.

You can't even admit the Pisa is a hack tabloid reporter reduced to working for the SUN now.
 
bagels said:
You came across the following witness:



Quintavalle: I saw Amanda in my store the morning after the murder

Reality: How can you be sure it was Amanda

Quintavalle: because when she was arrested I saw her picture in the newspaper, and I knew right then that the girl in my shop that morning was the very same.

Reality: Then why did you tell the police something different?

Quintavalle: I don't know what you're talking about

Reality: the police came into your shop on the 15th, this would have been a week after the arrest, after you claim you already recognized the girl in the newspaper as the girl in your shop - and they showed you a picture of Amanda and asked you if you saw her in your shop and you said you didn't.

Quintavalle: I don't remember that.

Reality: You remember the clothes a girl were wearing a year later, but don't remember the police questioning you about a murder with a picture of this same girl held right in front of your face after you had already determined it was the same girl you recognized in the newspaper?

Quintavalle: I guess I just forgot...




And came to the following conclusion:

Vixen: he's very reliable.

You didn't take the trouble to find out anything. You indulged your belief with blind faith. Same as every other PGP.
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Citation please, together with the full context. It is the court that decides whether a witness testimony is reliable, or not. The court found Curatalo and Quinatvalle reliable. It found the defense witnesses, mafioso Aviello and child killer Alessi, completely unreliable.
 
Vixen said:
Nina Burleigh has long attempted to pervert justice on behalf of her client, Amanda.

Let's not forget Nina Burleigh's nutty public offer to give married man Bill Clinton oral sex for supporting abortion on demand.
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Oh, nice attempt at diversion but no cigar there, Vixen. Burleigh is not, nor ever has been, a "client" of Amanda. In fact, Amanda's family is not particularly fond of Burleigh.

Burleigh's comment about Clinton is totally irrelevant to what Quennell wrote to her.
 
Stacyhs said:
You really are desperate to defend Pisa, aren't you? How do you know who wrote the headline? That Pisa had it in his story of that date is fact:

"Knox, whose nickname on her Myspace website is 'Foxy Knoxy', originally claimed she stumbled on the crime after a night with her boyfriend. "

You are assuming that the editor wrote the headline. Not necessarily so. Pisa may well have come up with the idea and his editor liked it. What is fact is that Pisa used the term in almost, if not all, of his stories about Knox.

You can't even admit the Pisa is a hack tabloid reporter reduced to working for the SUN now.
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I am only defending Nick Pisa insofar as he is only doing the job he is paid to do. I am not saying I approve of this job.

You do know the DAILY MAIL is the UK's top-selling 'middle class' paper, don't you?

The SUN is the top 'red top'. Whilst you or I might consider that to be the gutter, there is huge competition by hacks to be SUN or DAILY MAIL reporters, together with a handsome salary.
 
Vixen said:
I am using the terms you, the PIP's use. Speaking your language.
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OK then, here's a term you should adopt.

"They were exonerated." How do we know this? Read the court documents - particularly the last, definitive one.
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, nice attempt at diversion but no cigar there, Vixen. Burleigh is not, nor ever has been, a "client" of Amanda. In fact, Amanda's family is not particularly fond of Burleigh.

Burleigh's comment about Clinton is totally irrelevant to what Quennell wrote to her.
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Joking that you will train a telescope on a neighbour in nearby Manhattan is NOT in the same league as publicly offering to fellate a married man just because he supports abortion on demand.
 
Vixen I've tried to help you on your troublesome journey to the truth by linking the final Italian court report on the reliability of Quintavalle. Did that help?

Or were you not serious about your quest and it's just a faith based indulgence? Which was my suspicion all along :p
 
Vixen said:
You sound like you're jealous. I can assure you Finnish women are very assertive and can look after themselves, as this Russian woman, with a Finnish name, aged 22, most certainly did.

Once again we hear mendacious and malicious lies about a private individual.
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Once again, you're replying to something I never even said. This young woman was vulnerable since she was a very long way from home, without a safety net, and desperate to move forward in her career. Quennell offered her what she obviously thought was a no-strings friendly helping hand - when it turned out that he was using it as a device to come on to her in a creepy and wholly-inappropriate manner, she wisely put as much distance between herself and him as possible. Disgusting.

Tell me again what the "mendacious and malicious lies" are please. Or is that just more sound and fury.... signifying nothing?

(And I'd say that your suggestion that I was jealous of Quennell's sleazy and creepy attempts at a sexual come-on to a woman around a third his age says an awful lot more about you and your "skills" of interpretation.....)
 
Vixen said:
Joking that you will train a telescope on a neighbour in nearby Manhattan is NOT in the same league as publicly offering to fellate a married man just because he supports abortion on demand.
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Ah, so one's a "joke" and the other's not a joke, according to the selective interpretive wisdom of Vixen......

(And BTW I'd say that asking "how are the kiddies" at the end of a communication that also talks about "training his scope" on her apartment are a damn site more worrying/damaging than a (possibly misplaced) article in which Burleigh said she'd happily fellate Clinton for his continued legalisation of abortion - an article which explicitly juxtaposed the sexual-harassment hunt against Clinton with his pro-women policies and activism, and within which the fellation suggestion is clearly intended as a rhetorical device)
 
LondonJohn said:
Once again, you're replying to something I never even said. This young woman was vulnerable since she was a very long way from home, without a safety net, and desperate to move forward in her career. Quennell offered her what she obviously thought was a no-strings friendly helping hand - when it turned out that he was using it as a device to come on to her in a creepy and wholly-inappropriate manner, she wisely put as much distance between herself and him as possible. Disgusting.

Tell me again what the "mendacious and malicious lies" are please. Or is that just more sound and fury.... signifying nothing?

(And I'd say that your suggestion that I was jealous of Quennell's sleazy and creepy attempts at a sexual come-on to a woman around a third his age says an awful lot more about you and your "skills" of interpretation.....)
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You sound jealous because 'creepy' is just YOUR take on it based on some kind of ageism. Fact is, the woman was happy for Pete to invest in her as a business launch, and appointed him as the web host for her new website.

She then changed her mind. He resented the money he claims he invested, she said, tough, and walked.

Some things she released regarding his emails, might be a little risqué, but saying he and his wife had separate beds seems to be the worst thing you can find.

She may well have felt sexually harrassed, but you don't know. It's pure conjecture. It's not just men who take advantage. I knew one woman who got this guy to buy her a motorbike and all the biker gear that goes with it, and then dumped him. You can't assume the guy is always the baddie.
 
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