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Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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No they didn't. Nick Pisa is entirely peripheral to the case. It's like claiming FOX News is responsible for sensationalising the death of Princess Diana in France. Mignini was edited to make him look silly. But guess what, he came across as a serious and credible figure.


Just how long is it going to take you to understand that nobody here is saying (or even implying) that Pisa was in any way "responsible" for the criminal injustice that befell Knox and Sollecito? Rather, Pisa was responsible for helping to besmirch the characters of Knox and Sollecito in the public arena (with the full and enthusiastic collusion of Mignini, who was feeding Pisa and others with disgusting falsehoods and distortions daily).

As for your last sentence, it's as hilarious as it is wrong............
 
No they didn't. Nick Pisa is entirely peripheral to the case. It's like claiming FOX News is responsible for sensationalising the death of Princess Diana in France. Mignini was edited to make him look silly. But guess what, he came across as a serious and credible figure.

Only to those who dwell in TJMKland and other alternate reality planes.
 
Mignini comes across as serious and credible to the same people who think a lying witness who completely changes his inconsistent story and can't remember incredibly memorable events comes across as reliable.

Emotionally invested people that have such a powerful mental block from the truth that it ought to be studied by science.
 
No they didn't. Nick Pisa is entirely peripheral to the case. It's like claiming FOX News is responsible for sensationalising the death of Princess Diana in France. Mignini was edited to make him look silly. But guess what, he came across as a serious and credible figure.

Right. So much so that the only place on the planet which will give Mignini coverage, is a Truther site in New Jersey run by a ballerina bothered.

Right.
 
Your last two sentences don't really make sense when read together. He was given the dignity of speaking for himself and making his point of view clear. And nobody could doubt the clarity of what he said. The problem was: what he said.

So why Nick Pisa? It is an age old debate, what came first, the gutter press or prurient public demand for it.

It is completely nonsense to expect a reporter from the DAILY MAIL not to write salacious material.

Way back in the seventeenth century, little old ladies were taking their knitting down to the guillotines to watch the beheadings. People used to gather at Marble Arch (Tyburn) for the hangings. In Marshalsea, those involved in piracy were routinely hanged in public.

As Paul Weller says, 'the public gets what the public want'.

It's not true Pisa invented the 'Foxy Knoxy' headline. I recall seeing it in the DAILY MIRROR around about the same time it broke news Rudy had been arrested.
 
Your last two sentences don't really make sense when read together. He was given the dignity of speaking for himself and making his point of view clear. And nobody could doubt the clarity of what he said. The problem was: what he said.

Classic Vixen.

Mignini was edited to make him look silly. But in the end he comes across as sincere and credible.

Yup, that's how the Truther's roll......
 
Point remains, toto, there was deliberate misrepresentation by the film. The film makers now acknowledge that it was Amanda who approached them to make it, knowing they were fanboys Friends of Amanda Knox.

In effect the film is commissioned by activists and it should have come clean it was a campaign film, rather like a party political broadcast.

How do you manage to twist things so well? Lots of practice? They approached Amanda in 2011 and she rejected being in the film. It wasn't until 2013 that she then told them that she was ready to be a part of the film.

" USA TODAY asked filmmakers Rod Blackhurst and Brian McGinn a few burning questions.
How did you get such intimate access to Knox?
“We started working on the film in 2011," says Blackhurst, and the directors traveled to Italy to understand what was going on as Knox and Sollecito were approaching the end of their first appeal. "After Amanda and Raffaele were acquitted in fall 2011, we met Amanda in Seattle. But it wasn’t until two years later when Amanda decided on her own she was ready to talk to us that we filmed our first interview with her."
 
Right. So much so that the only place on the planet which will give Mignini coverage, is a Truther site in New Jersey run by a ballerina bothered.

Right.

What has that got to do with anything? Peter Quennell runs an excellent site in True Justice for Meredith Kercher, it is a goldmine of newsclips, news items, court proceedings, expert opinions.

Pete is a ballet fan. I am a ballet fan. Lots of people like ballet. So he made a bit of a fool of himself by business partnering a ballerina launching a career.

Get over it.
 
How do you manage to twist things so well? Lots of practice? They approached Amanda in 2011 and she rejected being in the film. It wasn't until 2013 that she then told them that she was ready to be a part of the film.

" USA TODAY asked filmmakers Rod Blackhurst and Brian McGinn a few burning questions.
How did you get such intimate access to Knox?
“We started working on the film in 2011," says Blackhurst, and the directors traveled to Italy to understand what was going on as Knox and Sollecito were approaching the end of their first appeal. "After Amanda and Raffaele were acquitted in fall 2011, we met Amanda in Seattle. But it wasn’t until two years later when Amanda decided on her own she was ready to talk to us that we filmed our first interview with her."


Noooo noooooo! Evil Knox......blah...blah...... Manipulative deceptive film makers...... blah....blah...... Fine, upstanding Mignini...... blah.....blah..... Conspiracy to defraud and deceive Netflix and the viewing public...... blah.....blah...... All part of the Knoxian PR supertanker..... blah.....blah...... Knox and Sollecito are vicious sadistic killers...... blah.... blah....... Who needs actual evidence?....... blah.....blah...... Mmmm this KoolAid tastes yummy! Can I have some more?!..... blah.....blah......
 
What has that got to do with anything? Peter Quennell runs an excellent site in True Justice for Meredith Kercher, it is a goldmine of newsclips, news items, court proceedings, expert opinions.

Pete is a ballet fan. I am a ballet fan. Lots of people like ballet. So he made a bit of a fool of himself by business partnering a ballerina launching a career.

Get over it.


No. He revealed himself as a disgusting and deeply creepy old man with boundary issues by making unpleasant sexual advances on a vulnerable young Russian/Finnish ballerina, with nasty undertones of "I do something for you....you do something for me" about it.

Don't try to minimise it.
 
Classic Vixen.

Mignini was edited to make him look silly. But in the end he comes across as sincere and credible.

Yup, that's how the Truther's roll......

Classic BiWi.

Next time I give a reading at my church I'll shout, 'Hands up all the beliebers!' and then, 'Hands up all the truthers! and then, 'Do we have any haters in the house?'.

Fat Boy Slim or Scooter will then blare out, 'harder, faster, louder'.

The first two groups will be directed though the narrow door and the haters to the broad one.
 
And, more pertinently perhaps, his odes to Kercher - coupled with deeply disquieting posts on things like "Meredith would have loved XYZ" or "The Perugia Meredith loved", and ludicrous (and equally creepy) projections that Kercher was some sort of incredibly high-achieving student (she wasn't) and would have been some sort of really important World figure (almost certainly not) - immediately disqualify him as a sane and rational person to be a commentator on this case.
 
It's not true Pisa invented the 'Foxy Knoxy' headline. I recall seeing it in the DAILY MIRROR around about the same time it broke news Rudy had been arrested.

False. Pisa used it as early as Nov 8, 2007. Guede was arrested in Germany on Nov 19, 2007.


'Foxy Knoxy': I heard Meredith scream... then covered my ears
By BETH HALE and NICK PISA
Last updated at 01:08 08 November 2007

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491608/Foxy-Knoxy-I-heard-Meredith-scream--covered-ears.html
 
No. He revealed himself as a disgusting and deeply creepy old man with boundary issues by making unpleasant sexual advances on a vulnerable young Russian/Finnish ballerina, with nasty undertones of "I do something for you....you do something for me" about it.

Don't try to minimise it.

You sound like you're jealous. I can assure you Finnish women are very assertive and can look after themselves, as this Russian woman, with a Finnish name, aged 22, most certainly did.

Once again we hear mendacious and malicious lies about a private individual.
 
So why Nick Pisa? It is an age old debate, what came first, the gutter press or prurient public demand for it.

It is completely nonsense to expect a reporter from the DAILY MAIL not to write salacious material.

Way back in the seventeenth century, little old ladies were taking their knitting down to the guillotines to watch the beheadings. People used to gather at Marble Arch (Tyburn) for the hangings. In Marshalsea, those involved in piracy were routinely hanged in public.

As Paul Weller says, 'the public gets what the public want'.

It's not true Pisa invented the 'Foxy Knoxy' headline. I recall seeing it in the DAILY MIRROR around about the same time it broke news Rudy had been arrested.

You are rather jumping from point to point. But I think that the point about Pisa is that he was merely expressing out loud in the film what many of us felt at the time (with of course the sense of sadness and shock at the poor student's murder) : that it was an extraordinary story: that a young pretty American student should decide to murder an English girl with two men, and to frame a perfectly innocent man. Of course the interest in Knox was great then. I remember thinking how wretched the girl was, and being a little disconcerted a bit later when the evidence did not seem quite so watertight - just a couple of dubious bits of physical evidence. However, I was somewhat sceptical of people willing to defend her on this board, and rather appreciating the efforts of a poster called Fiona who seemed sensible and logical. But as the case, and these threads, wore on, I had to admit I could not, in all honesty cling to the belief that they were guilty. I think the problem is that many pro guilters are still in the mindset that many people were in when Pisa and others were making his reports, and though, like onion rings, the evidence has been steadily unpeeled, I think that pro guiltlers are still thinking in Nick Pisa ways. That's why he is so devastating in this film : because he really shows that the emporer really has no clothes.
 
It's an easy question. Either or.

Was the film edited to make Mignini look silly, or did he end up looking credible and serious?
 
And, more pertinently perhaps, his odes to Kercher - coupled with deeply disquieting posts on things like "Meredith would have loved XYZ" or "The Perugia Meredith loved", and ludicrous (and equally creepy) projections that Kercher was some sort of incredibly high-achieving student (she wasn't) and would have been some sort of really important World figure (almost certainly not) - immediately disqualify him as a sane and rational person to be a commentator on this case.

You really are a hater aren't you. They say us Brits suffer from envy, but you're the worst case I've seen in a long time!

Mez was indeed a high-achieving individual who went to Perugia to pursue her dream of becoming a journalist, just like her father.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you have such a compulsion to put people down and degrade them all the time, yet wax lyrical about a pair of nobodies wanting to become celebrities on the backs of Mez' murder, of which they were definitive convicted by the trial judges.
 
You are rather jumping from point to point. But I think that the point about Pisa is that he was merely expressing out loud in the film what many of us felt at the time (with of course the sense of sadness and shock at the poor student's murder) : that it was an extraordinary story: that a young pretty American student should decide to murder an English girl with two men, and to frame a perfectly innocent man. Of course the interest in Knox was great then. I remember thinking how wretched the girl was, and being a little disconcerted a bit later when the evidence did not seem quite so watertight - just a couple of dubious bits of physical evidence. However, I was somewhat sceptical of people willing to defend her on this board, and rather appreciating the efforts of a poster called Fiona who seemed sensible and logical. But as the case, and these threads, wore on, I had to admit I could not, in all honesty cling to the belief that they were guilty. I think the problem is that many pro guilters are still in the mindset that many people were in when Pisa and others were making his reports, and though, like onion rings, the evidence has been steadily unpeeled, I think that pro guiltlers are still thinking in Nick Pisa ways. That's why he is so devastating in this film : because he really shows that the emporer really has no clothes.


I am sure that is true, but I am not one of them I took the trouble to find out the facts, and came to the same inescapable conclusions as the sympathetic Massei and Nencini. You don't think they wanted to jail them for 30 years, with six years mitigation for youth???
 
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