Another unarmed black man shot

[Cainkane1]

I used to own a cigarette lighter that looked exactly like a small revolver. Even a cursory examination would soon reveal that the object was too small to fire a projectile with enough for to really hurt a person but after reading these stories instead of having it in plain sight I put it in my console.


It turns out that some jerk had gotten himself shot while pointing a similar lighter at the police.

In addition to being a lighter it made a great laser pointer.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Probably because women are half the population but are responsible for only a small fraction of violent crimes. Even your statistic paints them in a favorable light: if women commit 1/3 of the murders of children under five, men commit 2/3.

And as such we need to start collective punishments of all classes of people for the wrongdoing of a few members of that class it is only fair. So when we see some cops killing people and the rest of them covering it up, we need to know that is basic cop behavior after all. They are never going to rat on a fellow gang member just because he murders some innocent person. That is not how gangs such as the police work.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Do you care about the unarmed Hispanic, Asian, White, et al people who are shot by police? Are you aware of any anomaly in the statistics that shows an over abundance of unarmed black men being shot by police?

It's been said already, but I feel it needs repeating.

Are the cops supposed to be not scared?

How would that work? Could we hypnotise them all before each shift so they're under the false belief that they are not in The Land Of The Free? Where everybody could have a gun? Where a cop dies by gunshot every week?

Interesting concept.

Blue Lives Matter Too.

Which is why they need to be able to murder with out consequence. Cop lives are simply far far more valuble than anyone elses.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Nope. Just the black people.

And the governments, including Federal, State and Local, should stop hiring white supremacists.

That simply won't happen. You can't refuse people simply because they are white supremacists.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I was a roofer before my spine had other ideas. I did it for over 10 years. Every day I risked death from obvious means. I never fell off a roof, or ladder. My risks were obvious and predictable.

Humans are anything but.

So any professional driver should be granted the same considerations as that is where most of the police risks come from. Drive offensively!

 

[ponderingturtle]

We are comparing cops to soldiers in combat?

Of course not, soldiers have far more rigorous standards in terms of how they engage people.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I know a lot of police and they never whine and talk about how tough the job is. To the best of my knowledge none of them are cowardly and cruel either.

I have heard plenty laughing about how beat up people they arrest are too. So why should I trust your anecdote over mine? They might just know better than to talk about that kind of thing with you after all. This was with fellow emergency responders.

 

[nota]

in the old west the bad guy shot first

our cops do not act that way
they shoot first and often before a gun is seen
let alone fired
and far too many time there is no gun
just a citizen who moved twitched or any other reason
to make the killer pig fear something

in all those cases
the cop should be fired
and never ever allow to be a cop again else where

a major unmentioned cause
is steroids aka roid rage
but few cops are subject to random testing for roid use
and very very seldom tested after a shooting

 

[ponderingturtle]

You're begging the question somewhat. The death rate of police officers is what it is with the current protocols in place (which you, apparently, think are too biased towards protecting cops at the expense of suspects public).

Fixed it for you

 

[Shiner]

Which is why they need to be able to murder with out consequence. Cop lives are simply far far more valuble than anyone elses.

I'm sorry, did you mean to quote someone else? It's deductions like this that lead to rioting and looting.

 

[The Norseman]

I'm sorry, did you mean to quote someone else? It's deductions like this that lead to rioting and looting.

It's not a deduction; it's a result of frustration and anger at what's going on.

 

[Bogative]

Crutcher had PCP in his system according to the medical examiner.

http://www.newson6.com/story/33366844/mes-report-shows-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-system

If crime scene photos show his window is partially rolled down, she's gonna walk.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Crutcher had PCP in his system according to the medical examiner.

http://www.newson6.com/story/33366844/mes-report-shows-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-system

If crime scene photos show his window is partially rolled down, she's gonna walk.

Hmmm.
That's odd.
I figured he was just an average fellow minding his own business parked in the middle of traffic and wandering around the roadway whilst repeatedly ignoring police commands.

 

[a_unique_person]

Crutcher had PCP in his system according to the medical examiner.

http://www.newson6.com/story/33366844/mes-report-shows-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-system

If crime scene photos show his window is partially rolled down, she's gonna walk.

I don't know why that would mean it's OK to shoot him.

 

[Jules Galen]

Hmmm.
That's odd.
I figured he was just an average fellow minding his own business parked in the middle of traffic and wandering around the roadway whilst repeatedly ignoring police commands.

But you still haven't justified the shooting.

Try again.

 

[Pterodactyl]

But you still haven't justified the shooting.

Try again.

I'm not saying it was justified, especially considering there's still some important questions we don't know the answers to.

Facts like these do, IMO, tend mitigate the officers culpability though.
Maybe we move from criminal to negligent. Or guilty to innocent. Who knows?


If the headline didn't initially read "Another Unarmed Black Man Shot" but instead said something like "PCP Addict wandering in traffic killed by police" which was the true cause and nature of the incident as we now know, maybe people wouldn't have been so quick to immediately jump to unjustified conclusions about police racism. Not picking on the OP, but the media in general ran with this to feed the racism frenzy because it draws viewers.

But we didnt have the facts about the PCP at the time. And people made their conclusions anyway.
It should be embarrassing but nobody will bother to own up to it. On we go...

 

[3point14]

I'm not saying it was justified, especially considering there's still some important questions we don't know the answers to.

Facts like these do, IMO, tend mitigate the officers culpability though.
Maybe we move from criminal to negligent. Or guilty to innocent. Who knows?


If the headline didn't initially read "Another Unarmed Black Man Shot" but instead said something like "PCP Addict wandering in traffic killed by police" which was the true cause and nature of the incident as we now know, maybe people wouldn't have been so quick to immediately jump to unjustified conclusions about police racism. Not picking on the OP, but the media in general ran with this to feed the racism frenzy because it draws viewers.

But we didnt have the facts about the PCP at the time. And people made their conclusions anyway.
It should be embarrassing but nobody will bother to own up to it. On we go...

You are aware that the two bolded statements above are not mutually exclusive, aren't you?

 

[Pterodactyl]

You are aware that the two bolded statements above are not mutually exclusive, aren't you?

Yes. What I am suggesting is that we should judge people by their actions and not their race.

 

[Roboramma]

Yes. What I am suggesting is that we should judge people by their actions and not their race.

Don't you think that the fact that he was unarmed is meaningful?

Also, I don't think anyone was judging the dead man by his race, rather they are judging the killer by her attitude toward his race, the implication being that if he wasn't black he wouldn't have been killed.

 

[3point14]

Don't you think that the fact that he was unarmed is meaningful?

Also, I don't think anyone was judging the dead man by his race, rather they are judging the killer by her attitude toward his race, the implication being that if he wasn't black he wouldn't have been killed.

Indeed.

On top of that, anything previously unknown discovered only after the shooting during the PM can, by definition, not be a reason someone was shot.