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Presidential Debates

newyorkguy said:
The other thing I don't get is, he also reportedly said, next time he will "bring up" Bill's infidelities. How is that going to work? For someone who is on his third marriage, with a history of multiple extramarital affairs, who once told Howard Stern that contracting venereal disease was an unfortunate but inevitable consequence of his 'lusty' lifestyle. Hillary wasn't the philanderer, her husband was. But I don't think even Bill Clinton is a match for Donald Trump when it comes to cheating on the wife.
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From what I hear, the plan isn't to hit Hillary with the affairs so much as how she reacted to them. Apparently she said some nasty things about Monica and accused her of lying. So the tack is pretty much that Hillary holds herself up as a champion of women, but is a hypocrite. Or something.

At some point I'd like to hear Trump explain details about some of his plans. Scrapping NAFTA for instance. There may be some problems with it -- I'm sure it's not a perfect deal (didn't the Canadians have some problems with it too during negotiations?) -- but how exactly will Trump "fix it?" I'd like to hear him go into enough detail to convince me he knows what the hell he's talking about. Because I don't think he does and I'm sure I've got a lot of company.
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The way he talks about it, all these trade deals are terrible because US negotiators are terrible. As a super-expert negotiator, he will be all demanding and stuff, and thus get much better deals.

Personally it seems to me that presuming you can get a better deal presumes that you have more bargaining power to deal with in the first place. Which maybe, maybe not.
 
Seismosaurus said:
As a super-expert negotiator, he will be all demanding and stuff, and thus get much better deals.
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Right now the only country I can think of that wouldn't be tempted to shoot Trump in the face on sight is Russia, and I'm pretty sure who'd get the better end of a deal between Donald "My Archnemesis Is Rosie O'Donnell Because She Said Mean Things About Me On TV" Trump and Vladimir "I've Personally Killed More People Than All The Historical Vladimirs Combined, Including THAT One" Putin.
 
newyorkguy said:
I read where Trump said he will change his strategy (?) and next time he will "hit her harder." I don't necessarily buy that. That the way for Trump to win votes is to bash Hillary Clinton with the result he looks better by comparison. He needs to explain his plans in detail.

The other thing I don't get is, he also reportedly said, next time he will "bring up" Bill's infidelities. How is that going to work? For someone who is on his third marriage, with a history of multiple extramarital affairs, who once told Howard Stern that contracting venereal disease was an unfortunate but inevitable consequence of his 'lusty' lifestyle. Hillary wasn't the philanderer, her husband was. But I don't think even Bill Clinton is a match for Donald Trump when it comes to cheating on the wife.

How does raising this whole issue help Trump? Except this idea he seems to have that if you can belittle and ridicule your opponent on personal grounds that makes you a more attractive presidential candidate.

At some point I'd like to hear Trump explain details about some of his plans. Scrapping NAFTA for instance. There may be some problems with it -- I'm sure it's not a perfect deal (didn't the Canadians have some problems with it too during negotiations?) -- but how exactly will Trump "fix it?" I'd like to hear him go into enough detail to convince me he knows what the hell he's talking about. Because I don't think he does and I'm sure I've got a lot of company.
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There's another obvious problem with bringing up Bill, assuming that's what Trump was referring to as the 'inappropriate' comments he so magnanimously held back at the end of the first debate.

Claiming some kind of credit for taking the high road before then taking the (familiar and well traveled) low road later kind of encapsulates Trump's approach to many things for me.

Even if he doesn't intend to bring it up at the moment, it's difficult to imagine that he won't be stung into doing it sometime over the course of two more debates given his general lack of restraint which, imo, he underscored by congratulating himself on his own restraint.
 
Trump's chance of being dirty has passed: he could have gone very low and then gotten more civilized the 2nd and 3rd time around.
He can't descend into the gutter now and think he'll come out the other end looking presidential.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump's chance of being dirty has passed: he could have gone very low and then gotten more civilized the 2nd and 3rd time around.
He can't descend into the gutter now and think he'll come out the other end looking presidential.
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Yeah but he's an idiot with a personality disorder. So he might really think that.
 
Tony Stark said:
Yeah but he's an idiot with a personality disorder. So he might really think that.
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Sadly, I agree that he might really think like that.
Trump appears to firmly believe he can talk his way out of every problem, setback, and misstep he encounters. Or more precisely he believes that he can talk his way out of all those situations without citing very many facts.

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I think a few more pointed requests for the tax returns might lead Trump to release a letter from his accountant describing Trump as financially healthier than any presidential candidate, ever.
 
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aleCcowaN said:
The fact is that, in spite of that Trumptard word, there are many educated people who are able to acknowledge Clinton won, who also can't stand Clinton for a variety of reasons and who finally are going to vote Trump. And they are the same people, not three different groups like some would like to believe.
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And you know this how, exactly? Is that a sufficiently large "many" to swing states? How do you know?
 
Norman Alexander said:
He should also realise that Clinton's minders will have already anticipated this and prepared some sort of defense, if not another bear-pit for Trump to walk himself into like they did in the first debate. Then again, maybe the hubris is strong enough for him to STILL not realise or accept the "master dealmaker" just got out-negotiated. In public. Bigly.

We can all hope, and have done so since the beginning of his campaign last year. However Hillary put the finger on it: He has no plans. Like the debates, he intends to "wing it" if he becomes president. Lunacy, of course.
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I can imagine Clinton's response.

"Yes my husband had affairs and that hurt me deeply but as a Christian who believes in the sanctity of marriage I had to find a way to forgive him and save my marriage. I don't belive in walking away just because something is difficult and that is why I've only been married only once to the same person for xx years. "
 
Marcus said:
Trump should have known that Lester Holt would concentrate on his weaknesses and not Hillarys. He could have pounded them up but he didn't.

Also, after the first time she called him Donald, he should have started calling her Hillary, despite the debate strategy which obviously called for him to be calm and respectful.

I'm not voting for the guy I'm just saying.
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I think he probably thought it was wise to call her Secretary as everyone knows that's all a woman can be!
 
Seismosaurus said:
From what I hear, the plan isn't to hit Hillary with the affairs so much as how she reacted to them. Apparently she said some nasty things about Monica and accused her of lying. So the tack is pretty much that Hillary holds herself up as a champion of women, but is a hypocrite. Or something.


The way he talks about it, all these trade deals are terrible because US negotiators are terrible. As a super-expert negotiator, he will be all demanding and stuff, and thus get much better deals.

Personally it seems to me that presuming you can get a better deal presumes that you have more bargaining power to deal with in the first place. Which maybe, maybe not.
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He'll probably get the team that negotiated his bankruptcies I mean they got him a good stipend when he had to beg for his pocket money from the banks!
 
Frustrated Trump advisers pan him for lousy debate prep (anonymously)

Donald Trump believes he won the first presidential debate. He’s proclaimed that publicly and told me so himself.

Some of his advisers disagree, and they believe his debate prep was something of a disaster.

One well-placed source told me that there were too many people in the room during these sessions, as many as a dozen at a time, and some, including two generals, had no experience with debates or even campaigns. The result was that the candidate got lots of conflicting advice on what to say and do from a team that hadn’t even agreed internally on the best strategies.
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The man can't even manage debate prep without it becoming a disaster. But he should be the President of the United States. :rolleyes:
 
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Tony Stark said:
Frustrated Trump advisers pan him for lousy debate prep (anonymously)


The man can't even manage debate prep without it becoming a disaster. But he should be the President of the United States. :rolleyes:
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That's great news, but lest Hillary's campaign get complacent.....

Now much of this is inside baseball. Hillary Clinton is widely credited, even by many conservative commentators, as having delivered a strong performance at Hofstra and kept her opponent on the defensive. She will probably get a polling bump of a couple of points. But Trump’s supporters remain in in his corner after watching him go toe-to-toe with a former secretary of State without committing a major gaffe.

When campaigns are in a tailspin, loyalty sometimes melts as its consultants and strategists scramble to salvage their own reputations at the boss’ expense. But Trump, against all the odds set by the pundits, is in an extremely competitive race against Clinton and could win the thing
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It's still a very close contest and it's unlikely that Trump will be quite as bad in the second debate (or at least he'll be differently bad) which will likely be portrayed by the media as Trump coming back fighting.
 
The Don said:
That's great news, but lest Hillary's campaign get complacent.....



It's still a very close contest and it's unlikely that Trump will be quite as bad in the second debate (or at least he'll be differently bad) which will likely be portrayed by the media as Trump coming back fighting.
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I think he will be worse.
 
Tony Stark said:
I think he will be worse.
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I hope you're right but I cannot see how he could could be even worse than he was last time. I mean he wasn't so bad (from a performance rather than content) for the first few minutes but thereafter he was:

  • Rude and obnoxious
  • Unfocused
  • Gish galloping
  • Lying his *** off
  • Snurfling
  • and worst of all, low energy

If he comes out attacking Hillary from the start then even though it may be strategically a stupid idea, he'll be applauded for his energy.
 
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