Who Won the Debate?

Who won the debate?

  • Trump

    Votes: 7 5.1%

  • Clinton

    Votes: 129 94.2%

  • Draw

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Total voters
    137
  • Poll closed .
snoop_doxie said:
I thought he was set straight about this $400 million dollar payment?
A month or two ago, I thought he had some kind of conspiracy theory
in regards to this money, and that he saw it on TV! (so, it must be true!)
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Did he understand where the money came from?
If he did, then I was way off when I thought that Clinton should have asked him where the money came from?

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Actually Clinton should have asked that even if she was sure Trump knew the answer. There must be tens of millions of Americans who saw the photo of the pallet and saw the headline about America sending the money and then concluded it was tax dollars being sent there.
 
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Trebuchet said:
Nitpick: She actually said he called her "Miss Housekeeping". You know, like in a hotel.
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Thank you for the correction. I don't think it matters in its connotation.

An old joke I heard about the Clintons from a pundit on Dutch TV:

The Clintons are driving through Arkansas. They arrive at a gas station. Bill points to the attendant and says:
"That's your ex-boyfriend. If you'd married him, you'd now be married to a gas attendant".
Hillary retorts: "No, in that case, he would now be president".
 
ddt said:
Thank you for the correction. I don't think it matters in its connotation.

An old joke I heard about the Clintons from a pundit on Dutch TV:

The Clintons are driving through Arkansas. They arrive at a gas station. Bill points to the attendant and says:
"That's your ex-boyfriend. If you'd married him, you'd now be married to a gas attendant".
Hillary retorts: "No, in that case, he would now be president".
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:D:thumbsup:
 
jaydeehess said:
Nor was he correct, and he must know this, on characterizing the money paid to Iran as a pay off.
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He should know it. He's been told it and it may even have lodged in his short-term memory, but he may not know it any more. That's the sort of mind he has.

The Shah of Iran's government ordered weapons from the USA and paid $400 million in advance. The weapons were never delivered since the Iranian Revolution overthrew the Shah. It was widely, and correctly reported that the money paid to Iran was that principal amount plus a negotiated interest. That interest was less than present day Iran was in international court to claim. In this issue no one was lying other than Donny.
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Of course Trump may simply think the US should have kept the money because screw you, just as it could cancel its debts or renege on any promise for the same reason.
 
JPK said:
One of the more damaging things for Trump was when he stood by not paying any taxes is being a smart business man. Taking advantage of bankruptcy laws is being a smart business man. Those things don't translate over into being a smart president .Hillary lead him right into that trap and effectively pointed out to those that might believe Trump is right, his tax cuts, only benefit people like Trump and his family, and by not paying taxes, he isn't contributing to the military, veterans, education, infrastructure or anything else but himself. Building America at the expense of the working class.
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jaydeehess said:
He also seemed to say it was just good business practice to use the laws of the country to avoid paying contractors for work done. Some champion for small businesses if his motto is "if I can screw you little guys and get away with it then I am a good business man". :rolleyes:
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He might also learn something from the "politically correct". He used the term "take advantage of" or "took advantage of" the laws. That's got a yuge negative connotation, saying "Hey, maybe it's not right, someone might want to do something about that but the rules are there so I exploited them to my benefit." Yes, "exploited". It's a fair synonym for "took advantage of". That does not play well in Springfield.

He also needs to remove himself from these statements. First "avail" not "take advantage". Or "follow the law". Both are preferable to "take advantage". Secondly.... use the third person, you putz. "A good businessman has a duty to his stake holders and avails himself of existing law to turn a profit." That, of course, he'll never do... Trump is all about Me, Me, Me.
 
The Don said:
I disagree, they demonstrate a strength of feeling - especially if the results are repeated across polls and/or over a protracted period of time. Sure it could be a small number of people sufficiently motivated to vote repeatedly but then that prompts the question, why are those on the opposing side not so committed to the cause to place their vote ?
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I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but I strongly disagree with the level of importance you seem to be assigning it.
 
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acbytesla said:
Nice YouTube commercial. Not only did Trump treat her like crap, he stiffed her.

https://youtu.be/U8ZM58O_gBo
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And of course, Trump attached her on Fox News, thus doubling down on his scummy behavior. Admiral Akbar warned him that this was a trap, but he doesn't listen to admirals because Trump is obviously stupid.

Also, because Akbar is a brown alien.
 
I think Australia summed up the debate rather well.

Some highlights:


LESTER HOLT: Welcome to the debate! I have somewhere else to be for the next half hour, so do not look for me to say anything or fact-check anyone. I will not. First, who will be better for business? Secretary?

HILLARY CLINTON: Look at me. Now look at Donald Trump. Now at me. Now at Donald Trump. Donald Trump is actually on the presidential debate stage right now. With me, a former senator and secretary of state. Donald Trump. Also, I have actual plans.

DONALD TRUMP: Hi. I am Donald Trump. Yes, I am here. If you believe in the two-party system, then I am 50 percent of your options for president right now. You may have been wondering: Did my advisers just say that I had not prepared at all for these debates in order to lower audience expectations, or did I NOT PREPARE AT ALL for these debates? Now, you will have your answer. My answer to that last question is that I am pretty sure I saw on TV that Mexico was taking our jobs. Or something.
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CLINTON: Can I respond? I heard there would not be any fact-checking this debate, so I brought my own. I just want to explain what your plan would actually do. It is like trickle-down economics, but even worse. I came up with a fun nickname for it because my campaign wanted to make sure I created moments of "levity" instead of just "lecturing." This is the straitjacket of speaking while female. "Trumped-up trickle-down," we call it. Is that fun? By my standards, that seems fun. Donald, your business started when your dad loaned you $14 million.

TRUMP: In my defence, $14 million is, like, practically nothing. If I found it crumpled up in the pocket of a coat I had not worn in a while, I would make a face and throw it away. Also, NAFTA is bad, Secretary Clinton – does that make you happy? Usually when I address women as "secretary" they get upset and yell.
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HOLT: Hey, guys, did I miss anything?

CLINTON: (frenzied, into the camera) Please, viewers at home, I know that fact-checking is not permitted, but at least GO TO MY WEBSITE. I promise -

TRUMP: I also have a website. You should go to mine. If you go to her website, you will see her plan to fight ISIS. Right there on the internet where anyone can SEE. I know what General MacArthur would have thought of that. He would not have liked it ONE BIT. General MacArthur is a person from history whose name I have suddenly remembered.

CLINTON: (whispers) Fact-check rating - Mostly True.

TRUMP: You have to keep everything secret, like tax returns, but NOT like emails. Otherwise your enemies will know your next move. "No wonder you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life."

CLINTON: I don't understand. How long do you think ISIS has been in existence? Do you think it is 50 years? Or do you think I am in my 20s? Or - what? PLEASE SOMEONE FACT-CHECK THIS. Lester?

HOLT: (sticking head through door) Hey, guys! Just wanted to check in and see how you were doing in here. You two having fun? It's important to have fun. Donald, though, can you explain your tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans?

TRUMP: You know what we don't have? Leadership. And I blame Secretary Clinton.

CLINTON: Sure. Great. Everything is my fault now.
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CLINTON: Wasn't I supposed to be talking? About focusing on the middle class?

HOLT: (shrugs)

TRUMP: "TYPICAL POLITICIAN. ALL TALK, NO ACTION."

CLINTON: Is this in response to something specific?

TRUMP: "NEVER GONNA HAPPEN."

CLINTON: Did someone hit a switch on your back somewhere into drunk uncle mode?

TRUMP: "We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble." The Fed is bad. "The Fed - is doing political." Soon Obama will go to the golf course, and then, you know, it will not be good, because they will do something to the rates. And you won't like it one bit! Please someone else talk now.

CLINTON: Where did you read this? Was it on a drunk person's Facebook wall? Are you still friends with this person? Because I wouldn't be.
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HOLT: Donald Trump, what about releasing your tax returns?

TRUMP: Thank goodness this is a subject I actually know something about! I don't want to. Clinton should release those EMAILS, that's what I say! I'm being audited anyway, so ...

HOLT: There's nothing that says you have to wait for the audit to be over before you release your tax return. But about those emails, Hillary?

CLINTON: That was definitely a mistake, but I would prefer to watch Donald Trump flail uncomfortably about his tax returns.

TRUMP: Listen, I'm a very wealthy man. I know a lot of wonderful banks. I know a lot about money. I have been to airports, both good and bad. Newark is a bad airport. America can agree. We have wasted all this money on your bad ideas, but instead we should have made Newark Liberty International Airport a better, more welcoming place to be.
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HOLT: And now, please, take two minutes to discuss America's complex legacy of racial problems. Secretary Clinton, you first.

CLINTON: Here is a complex and thoughtful response about the need for criminal justice reform that I have clearly been working on for some time, because it is not at ALL what I would have said in the '90s.

TRUMP: Listen. Two words: law and order. I guess that's three words. Stop and frisk. Wait, no, also three words.

HOLT: Three unconstitutional words.

TRUMP: No, no, I am pretty sure that is wrong. It went before a judge who was a very Anti-Police Judge.

HOLT: You mean a judge who found it was unconstitutional because it was a form of racial profiling?

TRUMP: No, listen, we need Law and Order. Benson and Stabler. To make us a Stabler nation.

CLINTON: Stabler was on SVU. I bet you can't even name the police officers on regular Law and Order.

TRUMP: Eric and Melania.

CLINTON: No.

TRUMP: Two wonderful officers, great friends of mine.

CLINTON: You have Briscoe and Green, or you have Green and Fontana, or you have -

TRUMP: Please don't interrupt. Listen, if there is one thing I have learnt on my tour trying to convince people that I am not wildly and ridiculously tone-deaf about race, it is that people who are not white probably live in nightmarish hellholes than which nothing can be worse.
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CLINTON: (unexpectedly) Did you just criticise me for preparing for this debate? Because what I was really preparing for was to be president of the United States, and that takes hard, hard work! Hard work I'm ready to put in!

(summons an eagle) (it perches on her shoulder) (fireworks shoot off) (a glass ceiling shatters)

Perhaps I over-prepared this answer and it was not exactly related to what you just said, but I have literally been rehearsing it since I was 4.

HOLT: Donald, let's talk about the horrible racist birther movement that you founded and nurtured for five years.

TRUMP: Never heard of it. It's the work of a woman, name of Patty. I just put it to rest so America could have closure.

CLINTON: (mouths) Website.
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HOLT: Mr Trump, do you have a better temperament?

TRUMP: I have the best temperament. Obviously.

CLINTON: Obviously. Yes. Obviously. You have interrupted me 70 times to say nonsense remarks that indicate you have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Seventy times. I have spent my life doing this. You decided, like, last year that you were mildly interested in it and that you would probably be great at it. I wish I had that confidence. I wish any little girl did.

If I had coughed even once on this stage, I would have lost this debate instantly. And so you know what? I did not cough. Not even once. You sniffed and you lectured and you made faces and you sighed. And I stood there. Impassive. Like a screensaver. I focus-grouped my number of blinks.

But maybe it worked. Maybe, just this once, America saw a man yammer on for an hour and a half about a subject he knew nothing about to a woman who had spent her lifetime in that field, and America said, "Oh," quietly, to itself. Maybe. But knowing America, maybe also not.
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jaydeehess said:
Nor was he correct, and he must know this, on characterizing the money paid to Iran as a pay off.
The Shah of Iran's government ordered weapons from the USA and paid $400 million in advance. The weapons were never delivered since the Iranian Revolution overthrew the Shah. It was widely, and correctly reported that the money paid to Iran was that principal amount plus a negotiated interest. That interest was less than present day Iran was in international court to claim. In this issue no one was lying other than Donny.
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Yes. HRC missed a big opportunity to nail him with the fact that it was Iran's money all along.
 
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