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Presidential Debates

Well I would say Trump certainly lost the 'presidential' part of the Presidential Debate. Can you imagine him behaving like that a G20 summit?
 
PhantomWolf said:
It's not fair, Hillary keeps playing ads with me saying horrible things I said, and it makes me look bad!
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He said many of the negative things Clinton ads said about him were untrue? Someone should really ask him which ones were true then...
 
Garrison said:
He said many of the negative things Clinton ads said about him were untrue? Someone should really ask him which ones were true then...
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No, IIRC he didn't complain the ads were untrue. He just thought it wasn't fair to be slammed with his own words.
 
The_Animus said:
Clinton admonished Trump for saying "Women do not deserve equal pay unless they do as good of a job as a man".

Apparently Clinton doesn't believe in performance based pay.

Clinton 2016: Women deserve equal pay for doing a worse job than a man.
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Clinton expressed herself ineptly, as she sometimes does. I think she meant to say something like "Trump thinks women don't deserve equal pay because they don't do as good a job as a man." I don't know whether Trump believes that or would say it, but that has often been used as the justification for paying women less than men, and it would be consistent with Trump's expressed views about stiffing contractors, women causing more problems for employers, etc. A related issue is that traditional "women's jobs" often get lower pay than "men's" jobs, even when they require similar levels of training and responsibility. Preschool teachers and nursing aides, for example, typically make much less than truck drivers and construction workers, even though they literally hold lives in their hands, and the fight for equal pay includes equal pay for comparable work, not just identical work.
 
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Garrison said:
Well I would say Trump certainly lost the 'presidential' part of the Presidential Debate. Can you imagine him behaving like that a G20 summit?
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Easily.

Which is why I'm voting for Hillary. (Unless the polls show a real rout. Then I'll vote for Johnson. I don't really like Hillary.)
 
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ddt said:
No, IIRC he didn't complain the ads were untrue. He just thought it wasn't fair to be slammed with his own words.
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It just saw an anti Donald Hillary ad. It was just him saying reprehensible crap about women.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I don't understand this claim of his. What part of his poor performance does he think a bad microphone would explain?
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The part that allowed people to hear it. :D

He's claiming the bad mic was the cause of the sniffle sound and not the fact that he clearly was suffering from a nasal infection or allergies. The fact that he was drinking enough water to make Marco Rubio jealous is a good indicator that it was an infection.
 
Bob001 said:
Clinton expressed herself ineptly, as she sometimes does. I think she meant to say something like "Trump thinks women don't deserve equal pay because they don't do as good a job as a man." I don't know whether Trump believes that or would say it, but that has often been used as the justification for paying women less than men, and it would be consistent with Trump's expressed views about stiffing contractors, women causing more problems for employers, etc. A related issue is that traditional "women's jobs" often get lower pay than "men's" jobs, even when they require similar levels of training and responsibility. Preschool teachers and nursing aides, for example, typically make much less than truck drivers and construction workers, even though they literally hold lives in their hands, and the fight for equal pay includes equal pay for comparable work, not just identical work.
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At least three of us in this thread understood the issue. I suspect those who didn't failed to register the sexism in Trump's comments. That's blindness to underlying subtle sexism, not Clinton's failure. She recognized the insult.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
At least three of us in this thread understood the issue. I suspect those who didn't failed to register the sexism in Trump's comments. That's blindness to underlying subtle sexism, not Clinton's failure. She recognized the insult.
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But the implication of the "subtle sexism" is that women don't do as good a job as a man. A televised debate is not the place for subtlety. She could have said explicitly "Trump thinks women don't deserve the same pay as men." Period. I know what she was trying to get across, but she made it way more complicated than it needed to be, particularly if she's trying to move Trump supporters to her side.
 
People are saying ... the best people... Sinus trouble as a legacy from 20 years of abusing cocaine. I don't know... I just heard. Maybe it's true... I just don't know ...
 
The Sinus problem is minor,but it does put a cramp in his using Hilary's health as an issue.
 
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