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Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

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dudalb said:
You always have a lot of candidates, the GOP mistake was legitimizing so many of them with the debates. Guaranteed, they are going to tighten the qualfications for getting into the debates.Probably by demanding higher poll numbers: maybe to for the top Five.
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The GOP's problem is that a huge percentage of Republican primary voters are stupid, crazy racists. All they can really do is hope that someone like Trump doesn't run again.
 
Segnosaur said:
Not only that, long term if Cruz decides to run again, he can no longer claim to be the principled candidate, standing up to someone inflaming racist tensions. Now he'll be just another toady to a bigoted loser.
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That' won't be any sort of a problem for him as long as he's still trying to get votes from Republicans.

It's been proven to be a working strategy within the party.
 
Tony Stark said:
The GOP's problem is that a huge percentage of Republican primary voters are stupid, crazy racists.
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Let me just say, that while the perception is the reality, my reality is at odds with that.

I live in a traditionally red state, GA - and in the north part of the state - think Appalachia.

I like to think I'm selective about who I'm friends with, and the large majority of my friends here are Republicans, and don't much care for Obama. Maybe 1/3 of them are supporting Trump and the rest, like me, have not yet decided what to do on election day.

But, significantly, none of my friends are stupid. None of them are crazy. And none of them are racist. Most had hopes for Obama when he won, though I don't think any voted for him.

Unless one invokes some sort of "No True Scotsman" fallacy, at least in my world your assertion about that "huge percentage of Republican primary voters" is incorrect. I think you paint with too broad a brush.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
Let me just say, that while the perception is the reality, my reality is at odds with that.

I live in a traditionally red state, GA - and in the north part of the state - think Appalachia.

I like to think I'm selective about who I'm friends with, and the large majority of my friends here are Republicans, and don't much care for Obama. Maybe 1/3 of them are supporting Trump and the rest, like me, have not yet decided what to do on election day.

But, significantly, none of my friends are stupid. None of them are crazy. And none of them are racist. Most had hopes for Obama when he won, though I don't think any voted for him.

Unless one invokes some sort of "No True Scotsman" fallacy, at least in my world your assertion about that "huge percentage of Republican primary voters" is incorrect. I think you paint with too broad a brush.
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I don't. 44% of Republican primary voters voted for Donald Trump after all. It isn't like he became the nominee by accident or something.
 
marplots said:
That also means 56% didn't.
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Exactly.

Of course Mr. Stark is free to define "huge" any way he sees fit, but I might call 44% "significant", but hardly "huge".

And let me amend my post above to include:

"But, significantly, none of my friends are stupid. None of them are crazy. And none of them are racist. If they were, they would not be my friends."
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
Exactly.

Of course Mr. Stark is free to define "huge" any way he sees fit, but I might call 44% "significant", but hardly "huge".

And let me amend my post above to include:

"But, significantly, none of my friends are stupid. None of them are crazy. And none of them are racist. If they were, they would not be my friends."
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I don't want to quibble on semantics but the point is that it is a high enough plurality that some one like Donald Trump could actually become the nominee. And in fact did.
 
Tony Stark said:
I don't want to quibble on semantics but the point is that it is a high enough plurality that some one like Donald Trump could actually become the nominee. And in fact did.
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Don't worry, American will survive Trump as President.
 
dudalb said:
You always have a lot of candidates, the GOP mistake was legitimizing so many of them with the debates...
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I think in some ways the Republican problem was that there was no clear front runner. There was no clear favorite. Some people thought it would be Jeb Bush but he just didn't seem to be very popular among the Republican rank-and-file. I think uninspiring might be the way to put it. I think that opened up an opportunity for Trump which he then seized on.

Having watched and read about Trump in local news for over thirty years I have a hunch his strategy was simple. Play the politically un-correct candidate, the one who says out loud and publicly what many people are saying privately. That would be a way to distinguish himself from the pack, get a lot of media attention (much of it negative but as long as they spell your name right, correct?) and attract support from a very intense part of the electorate. It certainly worked in terms of getting him nominated. Whether that strategy will carry him all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue seems doubtful but some people are not sure Trump really wants to be President anyway. A woman who worked in the campaign in the early days says -- and others deny this -- but she says originally her understanding was, Trump wanted to get maybe 20% of the primary vote and then bow out. It was about increasing his name recognition and enhancing his stature.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I would put my family sbove a political party, it's a matter of principle and familial pride.
That you think party should come before fsmily puts you in a bad light in my opinion.
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You misunderstand me. I don't care about party loyalty. I just think that there are many, many reasons to oppose Trump, and the fact that he insulted your family is very low on the list.

Indeed, suppose Trump was a brilliant candidate, likely to be the best president ever. If I believed that, but chose not to endorse him because he insulted my family, I would be at fault, putting mere personal issues above a fair assessment of the nation's interests.
 
phiwum said:
You misunderstand me. I don't care about party loyalty. I just think that there are many, many reasons to oppose Trump, and the fact that he insulted your family is very low on the list.

Indeed, suppose Trump was a brilliant candidate, likely to be the best president ever. If I believed that, but chose not to endorse him because he insulted my family, I would be at fault, putting mere personal issues above a fair assessment of the nation's interests.
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Fair enough but Cruz has said that Donald is:

a "pathological liar," "utterly amoral," "a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen" and "a serial philanderer."

"He is proud of being a serial philanderer ... he describes his own battles with venereal diseases as his own personal Vietnam," Cruz said, citing a decades-old Trump appearance on "The Howard Stern Show."
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/donald-trump-rafael-cruz-indiana/

One of the few things he has said that I agree with.
 
Tony Stark said:
Fair enough but Cruz has said that Donald is:



http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/donald-trump-rafael-cruz-indiana/

One of the few things he has said that I agree with.
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You and I don't disagree on this point, I think. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that Cruz previously failed to endorse Trump merely because of family loyalty, but as far as I recall, that was the actual reason given in that speech. Not that Trump is a horrible person, a pathological liar, but because he insulted Cruz's father and wife. That's a weak reason not to endorse.

Now, the fact that Trump is indeed an amoral son of a bitch who tells lies without a second thought is a good reason not to endorse. Furthermore, anyone who realizes that this is the sort of person that Trump is and then later endorses anyway is a pathetic little chicken ****.
 
Tricky said:
Sure it will survive. But it may be badly damaged. I think the GW Bush administration proved that quite eloquently.
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Shake up = opportunity.

Remember how the Great Depression shaped the Greatest Generation? Like that.
 
marplots said:
Shake up = opportunity.

Remember how the Great Depression shaped the Greatest Generation? Like that.
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Lots of suffering and death, followed by genocide and world war?

And this is different from what Trump's harshest critics believe, only in that you think this is a good thing.
 
tyr_13 said:
Lots of suffering and death, followed by genocide and world war?

And this is different from what Trump's harshest critics believe, only in that you think this is a good thing.
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Not good so much as necessary. We have people alive today for whom the next president will be the first white president in their lifetime. No pain, no gain.
 
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