Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Still, it was an amusing absence of scientific understanding which led to the erroneous belief that a 4.5kg butane tank has a total mass of 4.5kg. The laughs just keep on coming

Did anyone here realize that a 4.5 kg helium balloon will float in the air!?

Ten points to the first person to say why!

 

[Stacyhs]

It is in poor taste, for sure, and ill-considered. It expresses an opinion. I agree it could be seen to cross the line. However, what a hypocrite Bruce Fischer is. Brucie: clean up your own backyard!

Has Amanda ever considered how Mez felt when she was accosted, tortured and suffered a lingering death? Amanda bragged, 'Of course she suffered, she had her throat slashed and she <expletvie deleted> bled to death!'

The trial court and second instance appeal court found that Amanda was the person who inflicted the mortal wound. The supreme court did not declare the pair innocent. On the contrary, it set out that the pair remain 'highly suspicious' and told 'umpteen lies'. In addition, Amanda was there at the scene of the murder, washed off Mez' life blood and covered up for Rudy.

Which is worse, a stupid comment on a webpage, or knifing someone?


I have no control over Pete, but I am sure he will review the comment.

And there it is yet again; the old "the best defense is a good offense" tactic. Trouble is, once people become aware of its use, it's very easy to recognize.

 

[Vixen]

Here we go again.

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You can reach Filomena's window at shoulder height by standing on the bar of the window below. You know, the window - the picture of which you yourself posted claiming the bars were not there, except that your pic plainly showed they WERE there! Hoots!

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The purpose of the "almighty crash" was to see if anyone was home. As Meredith had not arrived yet, he then knew it was safe to break in.

ROFL Riiight. So Rudy went off to get a kebab and come back an hour later.

Would he not need to repeat the exercise?

Do think.

Rudy went away because no-one was home and came back later, whereupon either Amanda or Mez let him in. Simples.

 

[LondonJohn]

As an aside, the standard male shot put mass is 7.26kg (over 60% heavier than the rock in question). The current male shot put World record is over 23 metres.........

 

[Vixen]

Take a look at a photo of the rock being collected and note its size in comparison to the female hand picking it up. Your picture fails to provide anything that can be compared to help determine size. Unintentional? I doubt it.
According to a British study, the average woman's hand in 6.77 inches. I measured my hand at 6.5 inches. Now compare the woman's hand to the rock. Does that rock look like it's over 11" in diameter, just a bit less than double the size of the hand? No. The woman could lay her entire hand over that rock. The size given for the rock at 7.9 inches was the diagonal measurement which is clearly evident in the photo.


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What was wrong was their citing Massei, pg 49 for the source of the measurements when it was not. Please don't argue without knowing the facts. The chutzpah!

My hand is 7 1/4 nches. I understand Stefanoni is tall for an Italian, so how do you know her hand wasn't similarly long fingered?

That is a silly way to measure anything.

It is a fact the boulder is 4.5 kg and has a diagonal of 29 cm. Not sure why you think it's debatable.

 

[Stacyhs]

Stacy and bagels, you have now had your eyes opened by the revelation the boulder Amanda and Raff claim Rudy threw at the shutters of Filomena's room is a very weighty 4.4 or 4.5KG. Please do get a tape measure or ruler and ponder on how huge a rock 10" by 10" by 12" is. You would have difficulty lifting it with one hand.

A lead clock weight of 4.5kg looks like this:

http://www.m-p.co.uk/muk/parts/chap01/longcase-lead-clock-weight-4.5kg-10lbs.-0256100015.htm

You can get a calor gas camping 4.5kg refill, which looks like this:

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/calor-calor-butane-4-5kg-camping-gas-refill-p132716

Or, how easy would it be to lob this 4.5kg fire extinguisher through a window with shutters, far above your head?

http://www.fullworksfiresafety.com.au/Fire-Extinguishers/4p5kg-ABE-Dry-Powder-Fire-Extinguisher


Maybe you have actually used dumbbells similar to these:

http://picclick.co.uk/Weider-Olympian-5kg-Dumbbells-131915506819.html

The lightest, green, olympic games standard weight is 10kg.

Now that you know it is a ridiculous idea that even a basketball-playing fellow like Rudy could do anything so dumb on a dark November night, and then shin up a 12 foot 4 inch wall (3.78metres) having caused an almighty crash, either before or after, will you now be revising your claim that Rudy alone raped and murdered Mez, after being interrupted whilst he burgled the property, having performed the aforesaid?

Now that the photo I posted proves the rock was not 10" by 10" by 12", will you be admitting that it wasn't a "boulder" and that it could easily have been thrown from the car park a few feet straight across by Guede who alone raped and killed Meredith?

 

[Bill Williams]

ROFL Riiight. So Rudy went off to get a kebab and come back an hour later.

Would he not need to repeat the exercise?

Do think.

Rudy went away because no-one was home and came back later, whereupon either Amanda or Mez let him in. Simples.

And you know this.............................. how? And you claimed it was a 12 foot wall for Rudy to climb - now you're talking about the kebob. Please take another look at those pics and revise your claim about a 12 foot wall.

While you are at it, can you provide one forensic-DNA expert who agrees with Stefanoni's work? I've provided one who's written a peer reviewed study on why Stefanoni's work is junk. Your turn.

But you actually did express mild disgust at a death threat - on the page that you cite as one of your main sources. You had to couch it in taking shots at people - insinuating that someone deserved to be murdered because two courts in Italy convicted her.

No matter that she was eventually acquitted. You've made your views somewhat confusedly known.

 

[LondonJohn]

ROFL Riiight. So Rudy went off to get a kebab and come back an hour later.

Would he not need to repeat the exercise?

Do think.

Rudy went away because no-one was home and came back later, whereupon either Amanda or Mez let him in. Simples.

Rudy most likely went away at 7.30pm because 1) it was not yet fully dark at that time, and 2) the road and parking garage were possibly still fairly busy. When he returned at around 8.30pm, it would have been fully dark and there would almost certainly have been much less traffic and pedestrian activity near the cottage. People planning to break into a premises generally prefer a) as much darkness as possible, and b) as few other people around as possible.

 

[Vixen]

As an aside, the standard male shot put mass is 7.26kg (over 60% heavier than the rock in question). The current male shot put World record is over 23 metres.........

Have you seen the size of the average male (or female) shotputter?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s.....69i57j0l5.6182j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for proving my point about upper body strength. Rudy is slender and willowy - a typical basketball profile - there is no way he'd have the enormous strength to lever himself up onto the sill without a grip, as the professional rock climber did in the tampered video, or at least it's unlikely anyone would exert such life and death effort to raid a temporary student dwelling. In any case, none of the valuables were touched.

 

[bagels]

ROFL Riiight. So Rudy went off to get a kebab and come back an hour later.

Would he not need to repeat the exercise?

Do think.

Rudy went away because no-one was home and came back later, whereupon either Amanda or Mez let him in. Simples.

It's called scoping and casing and it's common criminal behavior. Like, very basic.

 

[Vixen]

And you know this.............................. how? And you claimed it was a 12 foot wall for Rudy to climb - now you're talking about the kebob. Please take another look at those pics and revise your claim about a 12 foot wall.

While you are at it, can you provide one forensic-DNA expert who agrees with Stefanoni's work? I've provided one who's written a peer reviewed study on why Stefanoni's work is junk. Your turn.

But you actually did express mild disgust at a death threat - on the page that you cite as one of your main sources. You had to couch it in taking shots at people - insinuating that someone deserved to be murdered because two courts in Italy convicted her.

No matter that she was eventually acquitted. You've made your views somewhat confusedly known.

Rubbish. I do not agree with violence in any shape or form, although I accept that in the course of defending one's country, family or self, it might be inevitable.

 

[bagels]

Have you seen the size of the average male (or female) shotputter?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s.....69i57j0l5.6182j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for proving my point about upper body strength. Rudy is slender and willowy - a typical basketball profile - there is no way he'd have the enormous strength to lever himself up onto the sill without a grip, as the professional rock climber did in the tampered video, or at least it's unlikely anyone would exert such life and death effort to raid a temporary student dwelling. In any case, none of the valuables were touched.

You're sitting here trying to argue that the guy with a history of wall climbing rock smashing break-ins wasn't responsible for the wall climbing rock smashing break-in he was standing in the middle of. I mean this is why I have 900 posts on this stupid case, how does someone even come to a conclusion like that?

 

[Vixen]

Rudy most likely went away at 7.30pm because 1) it was not yet fully dark at that time, and 2) the road and parking garage were possibly still fairly busy. When he returned at around 8.30pm, it would have been fully dark and there would almost certainly have been much less traffic and pedestrian activity near the cottage. People planning to break into a premises generally prefer a) as much darkness as possible, and b) as few other people around as possible.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and as loud a crash of breaking glass as possible.

Doh! Back to the drawing board...

 

[Vixen]

You're sitting here trying to argue that the guy with a history of wall climbing rock smashing break-ins wasn't responsible for the wall climbing rock smashing break-in he was standing in the middle of. I mean this is why I have 900 posts on this stupid case, how does someone even come to a conclusion like that?

Er, like the ground floor MIlan nursery? And the director under cross-examination never once claimed Rudy broke in.

Um, er, like the balcony to the lawyers' office. Whoops, Rudy ignored the balcony all together, a far easier entrance.

Doh!

Bang goes the theory.

 

[Stacyhs]

My hand is 7 1/4 nches. I understand Stefanoni is tall for an Italian, so how do you know her hand wasn't similarly long fingered?

That is a silly way to measure anything.

It is a fact the boulder is 4.5 kg and has a diagonal of 29 cm. Not sure why you think it's debatable.

Please cite a source that says the diagonal was 29 cm and not the 20 cm stated in TMOMK. If measuring the size of a rock is done diagonally, what makes you think the 20 cm was not the diagonal measurement? Because it wouldn't meet your need to call it a "boulder"?

But as mentioned earlier by LJ, your use of the term "boulder" to describe a rock that can be covered by a woman's hand is laughable. What next? Will Raff suddenly be carrying a pocket machete?

 

[bagels]

Er, like the ground floor MIlan nursery? And the director under cross-examination never once claimed Rudy broke in.

Um, er, like the balcony to the lawyers' office. Whoops, Rudy ignored the balcony all together, a far easier entrance.

Doh!

Bang goes the theory.

Lol the rationalizing is mind boggling. Try to imagine if such formidable circumstances ensnared Amanda with her hand in the cookie jar, your 180 would break Einstein.

Rudy Guede was acting like a burglar, at a crime scene that resembled one of his burglaries, because he was a burglar there burglarizing it.

 

[Bill Williams]

You've made your views somewhat confusedly known.

Rubbish. I do not agree with violence in any shape or form, although I accept that in the course of defending one's country, family or self, it might be inevitable.

When I say "somewhat confusedly known", this is what is referred to:

It is in poor taste, for sure, and ill-considered. It expresses an opinion. I agree it could be seen to cross the line.​

So to summarize - a death threat is "poor taste", "ill-considered", "expresses an opinion", and only "could be seen to cross a line."

Nice evasion - there's no expression of whether or not you believe death threats cross a line, only that it could be seen that way. Got it.

Which is worse, a stupid comment on a webpage, or knifing someone?

I have no control over Pete, but I am sure he will review the comment.​

So a death threat is a "stupid comment" and the worst sanction to recommend is that it be "review(ed)". Got it.

Do you still, "not agree with violence in any shape or form"?

 

[Stacyhs]

Have you seen the size of the average male (or female) shotputter?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s.....69i57j0l5.6182j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for proving my point about upper body strength. Rudy is slender and willowy - a typical basketball profile - there is no way he'd have the enormous strength to lever himself up onto the sill without a grip, as the professional rock climber did in the tampered video, or at least it's unlikely anyone would exert such life and death effort to raid a temporary student dwelling. In any case, none of the valuables were touched.

So now it would take "enormous strength" to climb that wall? The climber looks of average male strength and he said it would "not be a problem" for someone built like Guede and not an experienced climber to climb it. I like the "life and death" touch. And the video was "tampered" with now? Who did the tampering? The British Channel 5? Did the million dollar PR machine get to Channel 5 too? Good heavens! Does their influence know no bounds?

The rent money Guede knew would most likely be in the cottage due to the date it's due would not be "temporary" nor would the laptops students use so your point is irrelevant. Cell phones were taken which is all Guede grabbed once he realized stealing and fencing anything from the cottage would place him at the scene of the murder. It's likely why he ditched the phones.

Your constant need to use hyperbole is amusing. Perhaps you think it adds credence to your comments? Hint: it doesn't. It actually diminishes them.

 

[Stacyhs]

Er, like the ground floor MIlan nursery? And the director under cross-examination never once claimed Rudy broke in.Um, er, like the balcony to the lawyers' office. Whoops, Rudy ignored the balcony all together, a far easier entrance.Doh!

Bang goes the theory.

1) No, she didn't. But she also said the front door lock was faulty and could be opened with a kick. Not that a burglar trying to gain entrance would ever kick or shove a door. Nah.

2) You don't know that. He may well have scaled the balcony only to find the heavy wooden doors locked. You know, the ones that the owner considered so secure that she didn't bother to put a barred security door in front of them like she did the doors on both floors. The door into the lawyers' office had glass panels making it easy to gain entrance.

Puts the bang back into the theory.

 

[Vixen]

Please cite a source that says the diagonal was 29 cm and not the 20 cm stated in TMOMK. If measuring the size of a rock is done diagonally, what makes you think the 20 cm was not the diagonal measurement? Because it wouldn't meet your need to call it a "boulder"?

But as mentioned earlier by LJ, your use of the term "boulder" to describe a rock that can be covered by a woman's hand is laughable. What next? Will Raff suddenly be carrying a pocket machete?

I did explain it. If you know a rectangle is 20 cm by 20cm, you can calculate the diagonal by mathematics, and that's what I did.

The 20cm is the width.

I know what a boulder is. We have plenty of them.