Trump could win presidency: Yes or No?

[ChristianProgressive]

I'm shocked by Hillary's performance. I think her health problems are real and hamper her campaign effort. I don't see a convincing message. I don't see the social media magic Obama brought. It all seems very safe, and banking on that people minorities and women will vote D by default.

Hillary is a DNC Machine Conservacrat (aka the Third Way). The problem with that (aside from its moral bankruptcy) is that this was/is the year of the Rejection of the Machine. The Republicans did nothing to stop their populist uprising and got Trump. The Dems clamped down hard on their populist uprising and held it off at the cost of alienating a LOT of Democrat voters both on the substance of what Hillary represents and with the ones who care about a truly democratic and equitable process.

 

[PartSkeptic]

You have to see the whole picture: swallowing this petty gesture is the price Obama paid for messing up China's plans for the South China Sea by constantly patrolling there. Using the plane's own staircase is an awesomely low price for this. I can hardly think of a more presidential thing to do.

China might play with symbolism, but Obama plays with naval power. Guess what's stronger.

Patrolling uselessly, and observing. NO deterrent what so ever.

China keeps an attack dog in it's back yard, namely North Korea.

Who is the one playing with symbolism?

 

[PartSkeptic]

You are in favor of Trump acting a part instead of being true to himself?

My normal self is controlled and amiable.

When the situation calls for it, I change to aggressive mode. Some people tell me to get a grip. I turn calmly to them (out of site of the opponent), and tell them I am in complete control. And I am. Now which is the normal me?

I behave according to the situation. So does Trump.

Merkel and Putin are very controlled all the time. But they are professional power politicians who get rid of their opponents over time. Always poker faced.

 

[thaiboxerken]

My normal self is controlled and amiable.

When the situation calls for it, I change to aggressive mode. Some people tell me to get a grip. I turn calmly to them (out of site of the opponent), and tell them I am in complete control. And I am. Now which is the normal me?

I behave according to the situation. So does Trump.

Merkel and Putin are very controlled all the time. But they are professional power politicians who get rid of their opponents over time. Always poker faced.

I'll take that as a no. Dishonesty is fine as long as it's your guy doing it.

 

[PartSkeptic]

This is what amazes me.

Also, both parties faced internal revolution with Bernie on the left and Trump on the right.

But the people on offer were mostly horrifically uninspiring apparatchiks.

I thought Ben Carson was most likeable, but he's apparently a religious nut.

I'm shocked by Hillary's performance. I think her health problems are real and hamper her campaign effort. I don't see a convincing message. I don't see the social media magic Obama brought. It all seems very safe, and banking on that people minorities and women will vote D by default.

Trump is not on the right of the Republican party. He is a reformist, and has appeal to the working class.

Ben Carson is very likable - too likeable to be the leader the US needs. No nut.

I thought Obama was the best thing to happen to the US the first time he was voted in. He turned out to be a disappointment. A great speaker, and very presidential. I still think his heart is in the right place, but he makes too many concessions, and gets pushed around.

 

[Ladewig]

My normal self is controlled and amiable.

When the situation calls for it, I change to aggressive mode. Some people tell me to get a grip. I turn calmly to them (out of site of the opponent), and tell them I am in complete control. And I am. Now which is the normal me?

I behave according to the situation. So does Trump.

Merkel and Putin are very controlled all the time. But they are professional power politicians who get rid of their opponents over time. Always poker faced.

You are a worldly person who probably has been exposed to more situations than two-thirds of the world's population. You are observant enough to quickly learn what works and what doesn't work. You are clever enough to pull from a variety of tools when you face difficult situations.

Trump is none of those things.
I see absolutely no evidence that Trump is in control of his outbursts. In Colorado and Ohio when fire marshals enforced occupancy limits on venues holding Trump events, Trump accused them of incompetitance and political skullduggery. I will gladly listen to you explain how insulting local public officials who were enforcing safety regulations is a controlled and well-placed expression of emotions designed to further his interests. The floor is yours.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Conservatives have been systematically deceived by their leaders and their chosen media. Since the impeachment attempt of Clinton, feelings have been elevated to the level of facts in terms of relevance.
There is an entire generation that literally doesn't know better because all the news they consume repeats the same fabrications.
We have clear data showing that conservatives use way fewer news sources than liberals. We also have arrived that the point that fact-checking is considered a vice by the Right.

Most of the Trump supporters never have developed a common sense, since they have been presented with a false sense of what is "common".

I consider myself a Trump supporter AND a Bernie supporter. I used to watch CNN, BBC, Russian TV and China TV and get news through USA Today and Bloomberg.

In the last 6 months I have broadened my news to include a wide range of US news including Fox, Breitbart, Glenn Beck, the Blaze, ABC, NBC, CBS, Politico and so on.

As for "fact-checking", it depends on how out of context a quote is. It is a propaganda trick - "now watch carefully - there is nothing up our sleeves - trust us - we are independent experts - giving you an opinion". Same as your "we have clear data".

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I consider myself a Trump supporter AND a Bernie supporter. I used to watch CNN, BBC, Russian TV and China TV and get news through USA Today and Bloomberg.

In the last 6 months I have broadened my news to include a wide range of US news including Fox, Breitbart, Glenn Beck, the Blaze, ABC, NBC, CBS, Politico and so on.

As for "fact-checking", it depends on how out of context a quote is. It is a propaganda trick - "now watch carefully - there is nothing up our sleeves - trust us - we are independent experts - giving you an opinion". Same as your "we have clear data".

In other words, context is more important than facts?
Is that because Trump can not be understood without an army of translators and apologists?

If what conservatives say is only true in the right context, maybe they should find themselves better speechwriters.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Michigan added to the list of battle states. Sixteen and counting.

 

[PartSkeptic]

I'll take that as a no. Dishonesty is fine as long as it's your guy doing it.

So you always show your true emotions?
If you are scared, you whimper and cry?
If you are angry, you shout and scream and lose your temper?

If your spouse is giving you the cold shoulder you do not try to break the ice by being nice and sweet even though you have to force yourself?

Many politicians are dishonest in many ways. But they call it diplomacy. That is why they get upset when Wikileaks discloses their duplicity.

It is why Hillary had a private server. She is just more dishonest than most - but for personal gain and not national interest.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Patrolling uselessly, and observing. NO deterrent what so ever.

China keeps an attack dog in it's back yard, namely North Korea.

Who is the one playing with symbolism?

you don't understand the law of the sea: it's critical to keep the waters contested, otherwise China might get a legitimate claim.
It's about confinement, not deterrent.

And China has as little control over North Korea as anyone. And it's not an attack dog, it's a rabid squirrel.

 

[PartSkeptic]

You are a worldly person who probably has been exposed to more situations than two-thirds of the world's population. You are observant enough to quickly learn what works and what doesn't work. You are clever enough to pull from a variety of tools when you face difficult situations.

Thanks. You know me well enough by now.

I respect most of your posts. I take it you have spent most of you life in the USA? That means a certain amount of "conditioning".

Trump is none of those things.
I see absolutely no evidence that Trump is in control of his outbursts. In Colorado and Ohio when fire marshals enforced occupancy limits on venues holding Trump events, Trump accused them of incompetitance and political skullduggery. I will gladly listen to you explain how insulting local public officials who were enforcing safety regulations is a controlled and well-placed expression of emotions designed to further his interests. The floor is yours.

Trump does not let people see evidence that he is in control when he gets annoyed. He is like my father who had an instinct for what to do, but usually achieved his goals because they were consistent in trying to get a job done. You knew he was the boss.

I looked up your reference to the events. I have now learned to google in two ways. First I googled "trump fire marshal occupancy" and go the mainstream media take. Then I googled "trump fire marshal occupancy breitbart"

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...und-the-block-for-donald-trump-phoenix-event/

People began lining up at 4:45 AM for Saturday’s rally featuring lightning rod Republican presidential contender Donald Trump. Two hours before the event’s scheduled 2 PM local start time, the crowd extended around the block, and the national media had shown up in force.

Clearly Trump was annoyed at so many people not able to attend. His annoyance was designed to get media attention to the crowds he draws.

(Whether the venue could safely hold more is another matter. If safety officials were in attendance maybe it was safe to have more people, and relax the rules - but that is speculation on my part.)

 

[PartSkeptic]

(snip)context is more important than facts(snip)

So true. For once we are in agreement.

 

[PartSkeptic]

you don't understand the law of the sea: it's critical to keep the waters contested, otherwise China might get a legitimate claim.
It's about confinement, not deterrent.

You do understand that often "might is right". Law? China ignores laws. So does the US and Israel when it suits them. Legitimacy is irrelevant.

And China has as little control over North Korea as anyone. And it's not an attack dog, it's a rabid squirrel.

A rabid squirrel in a cage that China chooses to let get worse and could get loose at any time but only in the neighbors yard? Why do they not kill the squirrel or get rid of the rabies?

How do you think North Korea is able to do what it does?

A small nation able to build submarines with nuclear missiles, to advance their technology by leaps and bounds, and with frightening speed when supposedly totally isolated from the world?

How does it evade sanctions?

What punitive measures has China taken against North Korea?

 

[Ladewig]

Thanks. You know me well enough by now.

I respect most of your posts. I take it you have spent most of you life in the USA? That means a certain amount of "conditioning".

Yes. I spent two years in The Netherlands and by looking back, I learned a lot about America and conditioning.

Trump does not let people see evidence that he is in control when he gets annoyed. He is like my father who had an instinct for what to do, but usually achieved his goals because they were consistent in trying to get a job done. You knew he was the boss.

I looked up your reference to the events. I have now learned to google in two ways. First I googled "trump fire marshal occupancy" and go the mainstream media take. Then I googled "trump fire marshal occupancy

BULLCRAP! Trump's team signed a contract that described the maximum capacity available. Trump's team issued more tickets than the facility was rated for. People not getting in is entirely due to Team Trump's incompetitance. Trump said that the fire marshal enforcing the fire codes was an example of why this country doesn't work. I cannot express how angry I am that a two-bit conman like Trump was ready to place his own incompetitance on a government employee trying to ensure the safety of the public. Hundreds of people needlessly died in Boston's Coconut Grove fire and Las Vegas's MGM fire before cities took fire codes seriously. I cannot contain the disgust I have for anyone who complains about fire safety codes. **** that cry-baby Trump. If he had balls he would have owned up to the error rather than accuse the fire marshals of not doing their jobs.

Clearly Trump was annoyed at so many people not able to attend. His annoyance was designed to get media attention to the crowds he draws.

I don't give a rat's ass about how he became annoyed, he took it out in an innocent public servant who was trying to ensure public safety. Trump had absolutely no reason to criticize the fire marshal.

President Truman had a sign on his desk saying the buck stops here. Trump (ever so ignorant of US history) might not know that. But whether he knows that or not, the one thing that is quite certain is that the buck never stops with Trump. He is a fly-weight whiner who is always ready to blame other people. Trump NEVER accepts responsibility for an error made on his watch.

(Whether the venue could safely hold more is another matter. If safety officials were in attendance maybe it was safe to have more people, and relax the rules - but that is speculation on my part.)

They did relax the rules and allowed attendance to reach 110% of capacity. What that has to do with Trump being a jackass, I do not know.

ETA
Once more, **** that cry-baby Trump.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The funny twist is that Trump just before needed the fire department to rescue him from an elevator:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-election-2016-republican-party-a7164686.html

It's basically as low as you can get to turn around and belittle the people who just saved your ass.

 

[Ladewig]

A Hillary staffer says that antibiotics can quickly fix Hillary's pneumonia.

Not if it is a virus. Antibiotics will make it worse because they lower the immune system. I learned that the hard way with a fungal lung infection. She needs a few days of stress free rest. And the American public will understand, as long as she is open about it.

Note that Trump must be getting good advice, or using his instincts. His reaction has been muted, and not giving the media a chance to move the focus off Hillary.

Anyone think Trump has not pivoted to being presidential?

Wait, wait, wait.
It is September of 2016. You are bragging that Trump has learned that there are times when it is appropriate to keep his mouth shut. He campaigned for over 16 months before learning this lesson. Are you serious? There are less than two months left in the election and you actually said: look how presidential he is - he has learned how to not sabotage himself.

How pig-ignorant and mulish does an adult have to be to have a staff of over a dozen people repeatedly and constantly telling him to STFU and still require 16 months to learn the lesson? Presidential, my aunt Fanny.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Anyone think Trump has not pivoted to being presidential?

Pirouetted? Yes, he did. He will learn how to be a president by 2025, if Alzheimer's doesn't hit him first.

 

[Mader Levap]

I consider myself a Trump supporter AND a Bernie supporter.

Since differences between Trump's and Sanders' ideology are pretty much as big as they can be, I can only conclude you do not care about this kind of little details. As long as someone is (or appears) anti-estabilishment, eh?

In case of Trump, it is like wanting to burn down house to get rid of few mices. Sanders is at least sane.

 

[aleCcowaN]

I consider myself a Trump supporter AND a Bernie supporter.

And you drink MoCoCoa: Grown on the upper slopes of Mt. Nicaragua!