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Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

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Would accusing someone of "virtue signalling" be a personal attack?

Could be a Rule 12 breach, although it's pretty mild as personal attacks go. Of course, I only brought up virtue signaling in relation to putting out a pro-Hillary yard sign. It was not directed at any person in particular, and certainly not at a member here.
 
You mean George H. W. Bush, but in any case, the accusations were made against his ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. For the most part I consider them unsubstantiated. Here is an article on the dispute.
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I've read other accounts of this meeting that don't actually blame Glaspie, but fault her for not realizing who and what she was dealing with. She was a diplomat who thought she was engaging in diplomacy. She essentially said something like "The U.S. has no opinion about your border dispute with your neighbor. What you guys decide is fine with us." She assumed that the outcome would be the result of mutual negotiations and voluntary agreement. Saddam took it as permission to do what he wanted. She didn't feel a need to add "But if you invade our ally we'll blow your ass up!" That was her mistake.
 
First of all, that claim remains very much in play, so it is begging the question to insist that it is false with no evidence whatsoever.
IT IS BULL CRAP.
More important, however, is that Joy Reid specifically asked David Malpass (who is actually a very smart guy whose economic research I used to read avidly when he was at Bear Stearns) a hypothetical about donating to the Clinton Foundation. She insisted that getting Huma Abedin to email you back in return for a donation was not "pay to play." Malpass said it was more than that, which it was. Donors got real meetings with Hillary. And the emails from Huma Abedin were not just "thank you" emails. Some of her emails involved asking the State Department for certain favors on behalf of donors.

Meanwhile, Joy Reid blew up when Malpass mentioned the email controversy because, she insisted, that controversy was not related to the Clinton Foundation. But that's ridiculous. Of course it's related. Some of the most damaging emails concerning the Clinton Foundation were from the clintonemail.com server which had been kept hidden for over five years. If not for the discovery that Hillary had been running a private email server, we wouldn't have any of Huma Abedin's emails with, e.g. David Band at the Clinton Foundation.

No as usual, your post is deceptive. That some people who met with Hilary also donated to a charity that she doesn't financially benefit from does NOT make it "pay for play". What Joy Reid appropriately pointed out was that the Clinton Foundation is a CHARITY and that neither Hillary, Chelsea or Bill earned an income. So to suggest some kind of equivalency with Trump bribing the Florida AG as disingenuous.
 
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First of all, that claim remains very much in play

Only in the deranged imaginations of Trump supporters. The same supporters that think there's nothing wrong with Trump funelling tens of thousands of dollars to the campaign of the AG that subsequently dropped a case against him.
 
Only in the deranged imaginations of Trump supporters. The same supporters that think there's nothing wrong with Trump funelling tens of thousands of dollars to the campaign of the AG that subsequently dropped a case against him.

That's not the only improper thing he's done with his foundations money.

In two cases, he has used money from his charity to buy himself a gift. In one of those cases — not previously reported — Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.

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Trump’s foundation appears to have repeatedly broken IRS rules, which require nonprofit groups to file accurate paperwork. In five cases, the Trump Foundation told the IRS that it had given a gift to a charity whose leaders told The Post that they had never received it. In two other cases, companies listed as “donors” to the Trump Foundation told The Post that those listings were incorrect.

Last week, The Post submitted a detailed list of questions about the Trump Foundation to Trump’s campaign. Officials with the campaign declined to comment.
 
That's not the only improper thing he's done with his foundations money. Quote:
In two cases, he has used money from his charity to buy himself a gift. In one of those cases — not previously reported — Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself. Trump’s foundation appears to have repeatedly broken IRS rules, which require nonprofit groups to file accurate paperwork. In five cases, the Trump Foundation told the IRS that it had given a gift to a charity whose leaders told The Post that they had never received it. In two other cases, companies listed as “donors” to the Trump Foundation told The Post that those listings were incorrect.

Last week, The Post submitted a detailed list of questions about the Trump Foundation to Trump’s campaign. Officials with the campaign declined to comment.

Perfect Trump.
 
I'd recommend reading the entire article. It's impressive how much effort an alleged billionaire put into ensuring he never gave a dime to charity.

I'd bet money that Trump is secretly proud of it. Of course he doesn't want to be known as cheap, but everything is a game to Trump and I'd bet one of those games to him is to get others to do his giving.
 
I'd recommend reading the entire article. It's impressive how much effort an alleged billionaire put into ensuring he never gave a dime to charity.
Trump's aversion to letting a dollar go appears to be pathological.

Then again, everything about Trump appears to be pathological. It's the only setting he's got.

I think, down deepest of all, Trump is defined by a fear of being found out. He has never really felt worthy, and keeps the realisaton at bay by constantly babbling about how worthy of everything he is.

Trump is, of course, quite right. He ain't worth squat.
 
I'd bet money that Trump is secretly proud of it. Of course he doesn't want to be known as cheap, but everything is a game to Trump and I'd bet one of those games to him is to get others to do his giving.
You give Trump too much credit. Trump doesn't play games. He'd lose. He might grasp tic-tac-toe with some intense tuition, but he'd lose it again in a day.

Trump is cheap because he's driven to be.
 
I'd recommend reading the entire article. It's impressive how much effort an alleged billionaire put into ensuring he never gave a dime to charity.

Holy cow! He get's an award for giving $150,000 of other people's money to a police foundation, but he charged the police foundation $276,000 to rent Mar-a-Lago. :jaw-dropp

ETA: And people think the Clintons are profiting from their foundation?

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Holy cow! He get's an award for giving $150,000 of other people's money to a police foundation, but he charged the police foundation $276,000 to rent Mar-a-Lago. :jaw-dropp

ETA: And people think the Clintons are profiting from their foundation?

Steve s

I love that out of 300+ donations that Trump boasted about, only 1 actually came out of Trump's pocket. Trump is truly thed sleaziest person I've ever heard of.
 
Holy cow! He get's an award for giving $150,000 of other people's money to a police foundation, but he charged the police foundation $276,000 to rent Mar-a-Lago. :jaw-dropp

ETA: And people think the Clintons are profiting from their foundation?

Steve s

It gets worse.

One of the charities most loyal to Trump’s club, the Palm Beach Police Foundation, which supports the local police department, has spent an average of $261,777 each year on its annual ball, held at Trump’s club every year since the charity was founded in 2006. Where the organization’s tax records show fees for the price of the facility, those range from $125,000 in 2007 to $235,362 in 2012 to $276,463 in 2013.

Asked whether he agrees with the Republican nominee’s suggestion that hosting charity events at Mar-a-Lago is part of how he gives back, John Scarpa, the foundation’s president, said in an interview with BuzzFeed News that the resort has granted his organizations what he estimates is a 10 to 12% discount on food. He says the club also provides some free amenities, such as heaters for the pre-dinner poolside cocktails (the Policeman’s Ball is in January). Trump, Scarpa said, donates a private helicopter trip to his Doral Golf Course to be sold at the event’s auction, an item that he called a “really good money-maker for us.”

During at least three years, the Palm Beach Police Foundation has lost money at Mar-a-Lago, losing more than $278,000 between its dinners in 2006, 2007, and 2010. Roger Craver, a charity expert who spoke with BuzzFeed News, said that losing money as a new charity was not uncommon. Scarpa, who said he considered the events a success, did not respond to a follow-up request for comment on the lost money.

He's fleecing them.
 
I think in a perverse way a lot of the Trump supporters -- this is true of two of the three I know -- support the Donster as an enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing. Which is why Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and it wouldn't affect his polling numbers. (What does that say about Trump's opinion of his supporters? I've always wondered about that. :boggled: )

The more dirt that comes out about Trump the more some of his supporters like it. I think for many of them this is payback for all the times they've been made to feel small by mainstream society. The more outrageous and despicable Trump seems the more his supporters get back at everyone else.

Supporting Trump is defiance, a way of rejecting current societal beliefs. Isn't that why Trump's insistence on rejecting "political correctness" strikes such a chord with many of his fans?

People who:
  • Feel uncomfortable around black people. Don't like them.
  • Feel uncomfortable around Hispanics. Don't like them.
  • Feel uncomfortable around gay people. Don't like them.
  • Feel uncomfortable around Muslims. Don't like them.
Want some payback for past wrongs by:
  • Treating China badly.
  • Publicly disrespecting Mexico.
  • Projecting a viscous angry foreign policy.
  • Implying Europe will have little importance (or value) in a Trump USA.
  • Making the Clintons suffer.


I miss anything? :cool:
 
I miss anything? :cool:

They're belligerently ignorant deplorables who lack even a basic understanding of the issues. In other words, Trump could say he wouldn't let Putin into Ukraine, and they'd cheer him. He could say he knows more than U.S. generals and has a secret "foolproof" plan to defeat ISIS, but when he takes office he's going to give the generals 30 days to submit a plan. So, in other words, he's going to squander a month waiting for rubbish ideas to pass across his desk.

Why do they support him? Because Trump is a huckster, and a sucker's born every minute.
 
They're belligerently ignorant deplorables who lack even a basic understanding of the issues. In other words, Trump could say he wouldn't let Putin into Ukraine, and they'd cheer him. He could say he knows more than U.S. generals and has a secret "foolproof" plan to defeat ISIS, but when he takes office he's going to give the generals 30 days to submit a plan. So, in other words, he's going to squander a month waiting for rubbish ideas to pass across his desk.

Why do they support him? Because Trump is a huckster, and a sucker's born every minute.

In the US, there's been about 7.5 births per minute for the last two decades, and probably about 6.5 births per minute for a few decades before that. Not even taking into account that suckers are more likely to die early than non-suckers, that means that no more than 16% of the adult population are suckers. Trump is clearly getting support from a lot more people than just the suckers.
 
This appears to be a deliberate attempt at a derail. Or as George H.W. Bush (or Dana Carvey) probably would have put it:
Could be mistaken. Don't think I am.
;)
 
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