Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

[Ladewig]

I'm serious about this question. Can you think of any human being living or deceased with a bigger ego than Trump? I've worked with lots of tough powerful arrogant people especially when it comes to their intellect, yet I can't think of a soul who compares to Trump. I've seen some athletes cocky about their athletic ability like Ali, Richard Sherman, Deon Sanders but nobody like Trump.

Can anyone?

Didn't we do this a couple of thousand posts ago?

Muhammad Ali "I am the greatest of all time."
I have heard Frank Lloyd Wright had a pretty big ego. Of course he had the chops to be a great architect.

But yeah. It is going to be hard to top Donald "Believe Me, I Know More Than the Generals" Trump.
Donald "Who Am I Consulting To Stay Up-to-date on Foriegn Affairs? Me! I Have a Big Brain" Trump.

 

[Belz...]

I'm serious about this question. Can you think of any human being living or deceased with a bigger ego than Trump?

I think the Kim Il's family and Stalin qualify, but otherwise I can't think of anyone.

 

[acbytesla]

Didn't we do this a couple of thousand posts ago?

Muhammad Ali "I am the greatest of all time."
I have heard Frank Lloyd Wright had a pretty big ego. Of course he had the chops to be a great architect.

But yeah. It is going to be hard to top Donald "Believe Me, I Know More Than the Generals" Trump.
Donald "Who Am I Consulting To Stay Up-to-date on Foriegn Affairs? Me! I Have a Big Brain" Trump.

You're right we did. But he keeps reminding me just what an ass he is. Trump constantly brags about himself which makes think that he can legitimately claim that his EGO is YUUUGE! That no one ever has had a larger ego.

I mean no one believes his Johnson is big but he'd have no problem convincing even his most determined enemies that this is one claim Trump they could believe.

 

[dudalb]

This.

When I was in the military, there were many times when I had to give orders directly to soldiers, bypassing their supervisors, for one reason or another. It doesn't negate the chain of command. I was an officer; it's what we did. Doesn't mean that those soldiers' supervisors were any less in charge of them. Similarly, in the chain of command as I understand it, the SECDEF is second-in-command of the military below the President, but the President can talk to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs or any of the Chiefs of Staff of the individual branches without having to go through the SECDEF. If you're at the top, you can speak to anyone you want below you; they however have to follow the chain if they want something to get up to you, usually. There are always exceptions of course.

THis, Although it never happens, the POTUS has the right to give a order to a buck private in the army,and if the order is a legal,proper one,the said private will be in deep kimchee if he refuses to obey it on the grounds it violates the chain of command.

 

[dudalb]

Hilarious

Libs really think Hillary having 7 more is a big deal?

The dems have filled our military with leftist leadership for decades. And somehow this is a win, too funny.

The best for our military has always been peace through strength. I want the biggest best military money can buy. It leads to new technologies which will be essential for what's coming.

Edited by Agatha: 

removed breach of rule 12, see modbox

Yeah, West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs are such bastions of Left Wing thought......

 

[logger]

Yeah, West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs are such bastions of Left Wing thought......

It's settled, no liberals infecting our military!

 

[dudalb]

It's settled, no liberals infecting our military!

So you have a conservative political outlook a requirement for joining the Military?
That seems to fly in the face of American Tradition of the Military keeping out of politics.

 

[JPK]

Rudy Giuliani was just on with Chris Matthews and said that Trump believes Obama was born in the USA. When pressed about Trump not saying that, Giuliani claims that Trump has said it. He also is sticking to the whole birther thing was started by Clinton and her campaign.

 

[logger]

So you have a conservative political outlook a requirement for joining the Military?
That seems to fly in the face of American Tradition of the Military keeping out of politics.

You really don't realize it has nothing to do with enlisted.

This tradition you speak of, the guys I know who were in the military talk politics just as much as I do. I don't know one who is a lib. You're probably talking about the military not getting into politics publicly? It would be interesting if that went away. Seems to be no shortage of retired military speaking out?

 

[Stacko]

Donald's campaign is claiming that he just accidentally did an interview on Kremlin-owned television.

 

[phiwum]

I don't think you understand what "chain of command" or "command" mean in this context.

Chain of command doesn't mean that every order has to filter through every level of the chain of command.

Quite right, I misused the term. My apology.

In the case of initiating a nuclear attack, requiring the order to go through the Secretary of Defense would be an unnecessary step and it wouldn't be part of the standard protocol because it's unnecessary and because time would be presumed to be a factor. That does not mean, however, that the Secretary of Defense is not still in the chain of command; s/he can still issue orders, and those orders could only be contradicted by the orders of the President.

Yes, apologies for the misused terminology.

 

[Biscuit]

I don't think you understand what "chain of command" or "command" mean in this context.

You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here.
-jayne

So you have a conservative political outlook a requirement for joining the Military?
That seems to fly in the face of American Tradition of the Military keeping out of politics.

some people can't handle the fact there there is diversity in opinion within the military.

You really don't realize it has nothing to do with enlisted.

This tradition you speak of, the guys I know who were in the military talk politics just as much as I do. I don't know one who is a lib. You're probably talking about the military not getting into politics publicly? It would be interesting if that went away. Seems to be no shortage of retired military speaking out?

Funny. I know quite a few vets myself and they are split about 50/50. However none of them are single issue voter types. Most I know are very socially liberal and just want fiscal responsibility. Most I know are in favor of gun control and equal rights. A lot like most of America. None of them are dumb enough to fall for trump's latest con.

I am looking for sources but earlier I had trump's "education" speech on TV and at the end i noticed a very tepid pattering of applause, as if no one was there. Seeing facebook posts saying he had more staff than people in attendance.

I guess people are realizing there is no rational reason to support a trump presidency.

 

[Biscuit]

Donald's campaign is claiming that he just accidentally did an interview on Kremlin-owned television.

I just don't use twitter, I am only 36 so don't accuse me of being an old grouch, but I feel like a link to the actual story would be useful.

link

Maybe things break on twitter first and we all want to be "first." I don't know and expect to be vilified for this.

either way there is no rational reason to support a trump presidency.

 

[phiwum]

I just don't use twitter, I am only 36 so don't accuse me of being an old grouch, but I feel like a link to the actual story would be useful.

link

Maybe things break on twitter first and we all want to be "first." I don't know and expect to be vilified for this.

either way there is no rational reason to support a trump presidency.

While I am tiring of your closing line, thanks for the link to a real story.

ETA: Never mind. Went to the link. Not all that much more than 140 characters, I'm afraid.

 

[Noztradamus]

I agree on the first sentence. On the second sentence: Do you have an example of Trump making a tough decision and taking the risks? Or even the heat that follows?
It seems like he mostly takes risks with other people's money, not his own. And when things go wrong he is quick to blame others. I can't recall him ever taking the blame for one of his many business failures. That seems to be the opposite of what you are looking for here.

au contraire seems the perfect politician

 

[Bob001]

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I recently read an article suggesting that Nixon's Secretary of Defense extra-legally put himself in the chain of command near the end of the presidency, when Nixon was drinking heavily. I can't recall the source, but it was the NY Times, the Washington Post or some similarly well-respected paper, as I recall.
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That's true. The SecDef was James Schlesinger, and it was widely reported during post-Watergate revelations.

Moreover, concern about Mr. Nixon's mental state in 1974 led the secretary of defense, James R. Schlesinger, to order all military units not to react to orders from ''the White House'' unless they were cleared with him or the secretary of state, writes Anthony Summers in ''The Arrogance of Power: The Secret World of Richard Nixon.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/27/us/book-offers-peek-into-nixon-s-mind.html?pagewanted=all

 

[Bob001]

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If you're at the top, you can speak to anyone you want below you; they however have to follow the chain if they want something to get up to you, usually. There are always exceptions of course.

Can't find a link, but I recall reading that when Jimmy Carter was President, he routinely made surprise phone calls to lower-level commanders and officers so they would recognize his voice in an emergency.

Speaking of Carter, it's astonishing that he acquired a reputation as a wimp after adventures like this as a young naval officer:

Young Jimmy Carter Was Lowered into a Malfunctioning Nuclear Reactor

http://www.cracked.com/article_20913_5-presidents-who-were-total-badasses-in-their-youth.html

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

It's settled, no liberals infecting our military!

Stop chatboting and use your words. The hints and allegations and passive aggressive insinuation shtick is so 20 minutes ago.

 

[Bob001]

The whole point of the nuclear football / biscuit arrangement is that the president can do it quick and (in theory) alone - remember, we have only 12min until those nukes from Russia hit Washington.

The only way to prevent this is not to obey a direct order.

From Politico:

If he were president, Donald Trump—who likes to say he doesn't spend a lot of time conferring with others ("My primary consultant is myself," he declared in March)—would be free to launch a civilization-ending nuclear war on his own any time he chose.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...les-nukes-button-launch-foreign-policy-213955

One issue is that lower-level people who have committed themselves to following orders are likely to assume that higher-ups have access to important information that they don't have themselves, whether it's a captain saying "We need to capture that hill!" to a President saying "We need to blow up the world!"

 

[Foolmewunz]

You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here.
-jayne



some people can't handle the fact there there is diversity in opinion within the military.



Funny. I know quite a few vets myself and they are split about 50/50. However none of them are single issue voter types. Most I know are very socially liberal and just want fiscal responsibility. Most I know are in favor of gun control and equal rights. A lot like most of America. None of them are dumb enough to fall for trump's latest con.

I am looking for sources but earlier I had trump's "education" speech on TV and at the end i noticed a very tepid pattering of applause, as if no one was there. Seeing facebook posts saying he had more staff than people in attendance.

I guess people are realizing there is no rational reason to support a trump presidency.

Props don't applaud very well. Like Detroit, he's using the inner city people as props. His education speech was at an under-performing Charter school in Cleveland. It was first a round-table discussion and like the empty church in Detroit, he probably just plain has problems getting people of color to turn out for him. That smattering of applause is indicative of the level of support he gets.... politeness.