Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part IV

[quadraginta]

I have to say, in a credibility contest I'd have a very hard time choosing between Trump and Pena Nieto.

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[quadraginta]

<snip>

Second, Trump is a business man like me, he knows how to get things done.

Yes. His business record speaks for itself.

I expect he's starting to wish it would shut up, too.

Third, we've never had a president who wasn't first from out ruling elite, that appeals to me.

I suppose coming from a family of criminal slum lords is an improvement in your eyes.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Tony Stark]

Donald Trump just gave his immigration speech. White nationalists loved it.

[IMGw=640]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrPSBkCVYAAe5eN.jpg[/imgw]

 

[Puppycow]

So after a couple weeks of hemming and hawing about it, Trump is essentially back where he started on what to do with illegal immigrants. No maybe we'll let some of them stay but "they’ll pay back taxes." He still left himself some wiggle room though I think, but he sounded tough and angry, which I assume is what he was going for.

Meanwhile the president of Mexico looks like a doormat that Trump just wiped his shoes off on. The reaction down there is he is an appeaser and a weak-kneed disgrace.

Mexicans Accuse President of ‘Historic Error’ in Welcoming Donald Trump

MEXICO CITY — If President Enrique Peña Nieto invited Donald J. Trump to visit Mexico for a dialogue in the interest of democracy, the message has fallen on deaf ears.

Instead, the predominant feeling here in the Mexican capital is one of betrayal.

“It’s a historic error,” said Enrique Krauze, a well-known historian. “You confront tyrants. You don’t appease them.”

On Mexico’s most popular morning television show on Wednesday, a livid Mr. Krauze likened the president’s meeting with Mr. Trump to the decision by Neville Chamberlain, then the British prime minister, to sit down with Hitler in Munich in 1938.

His critiques aimed at Trump were phrased in very diplomatic and non-confrontational language. Whether or not Trump lied about what was said between them behind closed doors is irrelevant. For those who have been paying any attention it would just be documented lie No. 3742 or something. Lies don't hurt Trump anymore, he's been called out for so many already. Anyone willing to listen must already know about dozens of them, so one more makes little difference. His true believers of course won't care or won't believe.

Some had speculated that his Mexico trip might end up being a political disaster for Trump, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It's a disaster for Nieto but not for Trump. And Trump twisted the knife further with the speech he gave upon returning to US soil.

 

[Tony Stark]

So after a couple weeks of hemming and hawing about it, Trump is essentially back where he started on what to do with illegal immigrants. No maybe we'll let some of them stay but "they’ll pay back taxes." He still left himself some wiggle room though I think, but he sounded tough and angry, which I assume is what he was going for.

Meanwhile the president of Mexico looks like a doormat that Trump just wiped his shoes off on. The reaction down there is he is an appeaser and a weak-kneed disgrace.

Mexicans Accuse President of ‘Historic Error’ in Welcoming Donald Trump



His critiques aimed at Trump were phrased in very diplomatic and non-confrontational language. Whether or not Trump lied about what was said between them behind closed doors is irrelevant. For those who have been paying any attention it would just be documented lie No. 3742 or something. Lies don't hurt Trump anymore, he's been called out for so many already. Anyone willing to listen must already know about dozens of them, so one more makes little difference. His true believers of course won't care or won't believe.

Some had speculated that his Mexico trip might end up being a political disaster for Trump, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It's a disaster for Nieto but not for Trump. And Trump twisted the knife further with the speech he gave upon returning to US soil.

That guy is an idiot. No wonder his country hates him.

 

[quadraginta]

<snip>

More important, though, is the overall attitude and the tone of the Ten Points. He's going with "America First... Build That Wall.... Mexico Will Pay For It.... Lookit These Victims...." He's solidifying his base, not reaching out to new voters.

His base is already about as solid as fresh cow patties can get.

And nearly as appealing.

 

[johnny karate]

No. I asked if there was a reason to be outraged. What do you think? Yes? No? Or is the question too tough?

Since the information in question was presented without demand for or even implication of outrage, your question isn't so much tough as it is a complete non sequitur.

You might as well have asked if there was a reason to put a squirrel down your pants and recite the Gettysburg Address.

 

[Foolmewunz]

When Kellyanne surfaces, it'll be curious to see how she spins this.

Trump's now tripling down on the History Channel Special Report strategy...

The Search for the Legendary Lost Tribe of Angry White Voters


This is the Breitbart/Sessions/Coulter model. Between the crazies (CIS, Sheriff Joe, David Wohl) Fox has had minor campaign hacks and strategists on and they've actually said that they will now draw out more new-to-voting registrations in places like Western Florida and rural Michigan. In short,... "angry white men".

 

[Foolmewunz]

Since the information in question was presented without demand for or even implication of outrage, your question isn't so much tough as it is a complete non sequitur.

You might as well have asked if there was a reason to put a squirrel down your pants and recite the Gettysburg Address.

Perhaps we could have a separate thread on that?

 

[Tony Stark]

Several Hispanic Trump surrogates reconsider support

Several major Latino surrogates for Donald Trump are reconsidering their support for him following the Republican nominee’s hardline speech on immigration Wednesday night.

Jacob Monty, a member of Trump’s National Hispanic Advisory Council, has resigned, and Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, said in an interview that he is “inclined” to pull his support.

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” said Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

 

[Puppycow]

That guy is an idiot. No wonder his country hates him.

Another article in Slate about it:

What Was Enrique Peña Nieto Possibly Thinking?

Most of the United States along with the entirety of Mexico were confused about what Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto thought to gain for either himself or his country by receiving Donald Trump Wednesday. One school of thought held that he had nothing to lose, what with his own approval rating at a sub-Trumpish 23 percent. Maybe, the thinking went, he would tell off Donald Trump to his face. After watching the joint press appearance afterward, however, it’s clear that this was the wrong way of looking at things. A better way is to work from the assumption that a politician with 23 percent approval has no idea what he’s doing.

. . .

 

[Puppycow]

Donald Trump just gave his immigration speech. White nationalists loved it.

[IMGw=640]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrPSBkCVYAAe5eN.jpg[/imgw]

Yep. And Ann Coulter is gushing about it too of course.

Trump's immigration rope-a-dope

PHOENIX—After playing at diplomacy in Mexico following two weeks of muddled messaging on his signature issue, Donald Trump shed any pretense of a softer message or general election “pivot” with a declaration of his fealty to the hardline positions and inflammatory rhetoric that propelled him to the Republican nomination.

Trump’s surprising trip to the presidential residence in Mexico City on Wednesday afternoon, which created a moment for him to stand side by side with an elected head of state and declare sovereign nations’ rights to protect their people, amounted to a well-executed bit of campaign stagecraft by the GOP nominee who, after a year of demonizing Mexico and its people, managed to strike a far more diplomatic turn—for him, anyway—on the international stage.

“I happen to have a tremendous feeling for Mexican-Americans,” Trump said, eschewing the usual vitriol as he stood before a dark marble wall that evoked speeches by foreign leaders at the United Nations.

Having ditched his traveling press corps, Trump’s lie that he and President Enrique Pena Nieto didn’t discuss who would pay for his border wall wasn’t exposed until the Mexican president tweeted that they had a few hours later. And minutes after he stepped onto another stage here Wednesday night and began to speak to his raucous supporters, it was even more clear that the sojourn across the southern border, much like his campaign's two-weeks of gentle walkbacks, was a ruse—that Trump and his campaign had used Pena Nieto as a prop in an opening act that served only to set up an evening stem-winder. The farce was, in hindsight, clear even before Trump approached the mic, as two of his warm-up speakers, Rudy Giuliani and Jeff Sessions, donned Trump hats that read “Make Mexico Great Again.”

Time after time, the crowd of more than 5,000 people, clad in red Trump hats and waving campaign signs, erupted unprompted into chants of “Build the wall!” and “Lock her up!”

 

[Ladewig]

This would be simple for you if you didn't run to your racism playbook.

First, I've had 8 years to digest Obama as a failed president.

Second, Trump is a business man like me, he knows how to get things done.

Except the federal government is nothing like a business.

And even if I did want a businessman in the White House I would chose a competant one instead of Donald Trump.

And even if he were successful and didn't have lawsuits against him and didn't have workers putting liens on his properties because he is too cheap to uphold his end of the contracts, I would instead chose a successful businessman who had a moral compass and lived by it.

And even if Trump were successful and lived by an admirable set of values, I would instead choose someone who could listen to good advice. This guy publicly claimed that he is smarter than all the generals and all the foreign advisors. He fires his campaign staff on a regular basis because he cannot accept their advice.

Trump is so self-centered that when news broke of dozens of people murdered in Florida his first tweet was about people congratulating him for being right. No. Donald Trump has neither the temperament, the personality, nor the empathy to be POTUS.

Third, we've never had a president who wasn't first from out ruling elite, that appeals to me.

I am having trouble parsing this sentence, may I ask you to rephrase it?

ETA
and if Trump is the marvelous businessman he claims he is, why won't he release his most recent tax filings, or the year before that, or the year before that? The tax returns should add weight to his claims of being exceptionally financially savvy.

 

[Tony Stark]

Except the federal government is nothing like a business.

And even if I did want a businessman in the White House I would chose a competant one instead of Donald Trump.

And even if he were successful and didn't have lawsuits against him and didn't have workers putting liens on his properties because he is too cheap to uphold his end of the contracts, I would instead chose a successful businessman who had a moral compass and lived by it.

And even if Trump were successful and lived by an admirable set of values, I would instead choose someone who could listen to good advice. This guy publicly claimed that he is smarter than all the generals and all the foreign advisors. He fires his campaign staff on a regular basis because he cannot accept their advice.

Trump is so self-centered that when news broke of dozens of people murdered in Florida his first tweet was about people congratulating him for being right. No. Donald Trump has neither the temperament, the personality, nor the empathy to be POTUS.

Well said.

I am having trouble parsing this sentence, may I ask you to rephrase it?

He thinks, for some reason that only makes sense to Republicans, that it is a plus that Donald has no experience whatsoever in government.

 

[cullennz]

So after a couple weeks of hemming and hawing about it, Trump is essentially back where he started on what to do with illegal immigrants. No maybe we'll let some of them stay but "they’ll pay back taxes." He still left himself some wiggle room though I think, but he sounded tough and angry, which I assume is what he was going for.

Meanwhile the president of Mexico looks like a doormat that Trump just wiped his shoes off on. The reaction down there is he is an appeaser and a weak-kneed disgrace.

Mexicans Accuse President of ‘Historic Error’ in Welcoming Donald Trump



His critiques aimed at Trump were phrased in very diplomatic and non-confrontational language. Whether or not Trump lied about what was said between them behind closed doors is irrelevant. For those who have been paying any attention it would just be documented lie No. 3742 or something. Lies don't hurt Trump anymore, he's been called out for so many already. Anyone willing to listen must already know about dozens of them, so one more makes little difference. His true believers of course won't care or won't believe.

Some had speculated that his Mexico trip might end up being a political disaster for Trump, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It's a disaster for Nieto but not for Trump. And Trump twisted the knife further with the speech he gave upon returning to US soil.

I thought Trump just came across as an idiot.

 

[SezMe]

Well, there is the fairly obvious point that this gives wealthy folk more power, since they are more likely to afford two residences and spend adequate time in each.

But that is easily defeated by defining "residence" as more than 6 months.

 

[The Don]

But that is easily defeated by defining "residence" as more than 6 months.

Does that mean that (the tiny number of) people* who don't spend more than 6 months in any one residence are denied the right to vote



* - About the only people I can think of are migrant agricultural workers (who, in the US are likely illegal and ineligible to vote anyway) or the two or three people who are ski guides or instructors in the winter, do something else in the summer and then live somewhere else for the other months of the year.

 

[SezMe]

The problem here is all of you have been so used to a complete incompetent fool with our current president. Let's not forget the feeble old fool who doesn't even have to energy to meet with the Mexican president.

Why would she even want to go to Mexico. As a former Secretary of State she knows that for a top level meeting to have substance, months (maybe years) of prep work has to be done. She doesn't have to show her international chops back home.

Trump, however, is in the opposite position. He has no international credibility and sorely lacks presidential gravitas. He has to go to show the rubes back home that he can be presidential. Unfortunately but predictably, the whole thing backfires. The stupid Mexican president loses even more support for hosting an American who has belittled the nation's people and the stupid American candidate comes off as a wimp for not pursuing his signature issue.

Do stay on that hard-charging Trump bandwagon, logger, but expect no sympathy when you come crying back here in mid-November.....oh, you do plan to return to give your summary of the defeat, don't you?

 

[cullennz]

Why would she even want to go to Mexico. As a former Secretary of State she knows that for a top level meeting to have substance, months (maybe years) of prep work has to be done. She doesn't have to show her international chops back home.

Trump, however, is in the opposite position. He has no international credibility and sorely lacks presidential gravitas. He has to go to show the rubes back home that he can be presidential. Unfortunately but predictably, the whole thing backfires. The stupid Mexican president loses even more support for hosting an American who has belittled the nation's people and the stupid American candidate comes off as a wimp for not pursuing his signature issue.

Do stay on that hard-charging Trump bandwagon, logger, but expect no sympathy when you come crying back here in mid-November.....oh, you do plan to return to give your summary of the defeat, don't you?

Because she can rock over and actually get some semblance of dignity to it

 

[Dog Town]

I thought Trump just came across as an idiot.

GO "all blacks"!