Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[NotEvenWrong]

Given that the author of the piece is a fanatical Knoxite, we should take it with a pinch of salt.

The quote from Mignini is probably taken completely out of context.

The context is probably along the lines of, "Mr Mignini, we know you are convinced of the kids' guilt. However, what if they are actually innocent, have you considered that?"

MIgnini gives it deep considerable thought for, oh, one nanosecond, waves his hand dismissively, and there's your quote, gleefully leapt on by a misinformation merchant.

Have you watched the documentary? Or did you just concoct this interpretation out of thin air?

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Would this be the same ghoulish Nigel Scott who escorted Raff to Mez' graveside, even before the appeals had been heard?

Neither left any flowers and Nigel had the temerity to criticise the then temporary grave marker, calling the plot 'scruffy' on twitter.

This man is reckless and seriously deluded. Why would he volunteer to take Raff, one of Mez' alleged murderers, to her last resting place?

Vixen,
I can't find any reference anywhere that Nigel Scott escorted Raf to Meredith's grave site. I also can't find any reference to him calling the plot 'scruffy'.

Can you provide your source on this? Just want to make sure you aren't fabricating this out of thin air. Not that you have a tendency to do that or anything.

 

[Stacyhs]

Vixen,
I can't find any reference anywhere that Nigel Scott escorted Raf to Meredith's grave site. I also can't find any reference to him calling the plot 'scruffy'.

Can you provide your source on this? Just want to make sure you aren't fabricating this out of thin air. Not that you have a tendency to do that or anything.

I'm still waiting for her to produce the quote where I said Knox had "very fine hair" and that's why it "dried quickly".

 

[Bill Williams]

Vixen,
I can't find any reference anywhere that Nigel Scott escorted Raf to Meredith's grave site. I also can't find any reference to him calling the plot 'scruffy'.

Can you provide your source on this? Just want to make sure you aren't fabricating this out of thin air. Not that you have a tendency to do that or anything.

I'm still waiting for her to produce the quote where I said Knox had "very fine hair" and that's why it "dried quickly".

I'm still waiting for Vixen to provide one peer-reviewed, forensic-DNA expert who will vouch for Stefanoni's work. So far Vixen has provided a quote from Judge Nencini, who in 2014 summarized Prof Novelli's 2011 testimony to the Hellmann court as, "multiple amplifications are required to satisfy protocol." That sounded a lot like Prof Novelli was criticizing Stefanoni's work, but never mind. Then Nencini adds in - sans context - a quip by Prof Novelli that perhaps operator experience can compensate for not following protocol. No mention of if Stefanoni was included in that quip.

So - Vixen scores another own-goal, much like saying that the mods here on JREF/ISF removed her post of a manga-comic pic - only to find that the mods here did not do that; but more to the point, the pic bears little resemblance to the horrid murder.

Vixen was also asked to provide a cite for claiming that the two accused had sex next to a dead body. Crickets. But the slur had been made.

ETA - Vixen then posts a pic of blood on a door, and proceeds to misidentify the door!!!!! This is reminiscent of Vixen posting a pic of the outside window on the floor below Filomena's room, claiming the pic showed there were no bars on the windows. Then when it was pointed out to her that the pic clearly showed the bars on the windows, she started claiming the pic had been taken after the murder!!!, thus she had to speak against the very pic she herself had posted.

How weird is that?

Proof? We don't need no steenkin' proof!!!

 

[Stacyhs]

OK Peeps have a look at the following photo. It is the door to Mez' room, and you can see a long streak of diluted blood running down the side.

Put your thinking caps on and complete the following captions.

"This streak of blood diluted by water indicates a c.... u.."

"The only person/s around to c.... u. was A..... and R...."

Not only did you incorrectly identify this as Meredith's room door as already pointed out, you also incorrectly claim that this blood is "diluted by water". It's obvious you got this misinformation from TMOMK because they claim it is "probably diluted" and give Stefanoni's testimony as the source. However, reading that testimony shows that Stefanoni never said it was diluted, or even "probably", diluted with anything. This is every reference Stefanoni made to the door (excluding a description of the location on the door the blood was found):

"There is an haematic substance on the toilet-seat cover that gave the victim[‘s profile] and then also on the door, on the doorframe there’s the victim’s genetic profile."

"This is the obvious trace on the door of the bathroom. In fact here, as can be seen, [is] a dribble/trickle: this is the trace taken on [swabbing/blotting] paper."

"Yes, it disappears. Because here is the hinge, so the door turns/swings and makes this trickle/dribble end up next to this door-panel. This is the sampling carried out in precisely this crime-scene inspection: human blood, victim's profile."

No mention of any dilution.

 

[Bill Williams]

Not only did you incorrectly identify this as Meredith's room door as already pointed out, you also incorrectly claim that this blood is "diluted by water". It's obvious you got this misinformation from TMOMK because they claim it is "probably diluted" and give Stefanoni's testimony as the source. However, reading that testimony shows that Stefanoni never said it was diluted, or even "probably", diluted with anything. This is every reference Stefanoni made to the door (excluding a description of the location on the door the blood was found):

"There is an haematic substance on the toilet-seat cover that gave the victim[‘s profile] and then also on the door, on the doorframe there’s the victim’s genetic profile."

"This is the obvious trace on the door of the bathroom. In fact here, as can be seen, [is] a dribble/trickle: this is the trace taken on [swabbing/blotting] paper."

"Yes, it disappears. Because here is the hinge, so the door turns/swings and makes this trickle/dribble end up next to this door-panel. This is the sampling carried out in precisely this crime-scene inspection: human blood, victim's profile."

No mention of any dilution.

Vixen lies again, and does it under the disgusting guise of calling Meredith by a term of endearment.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm still waiting for Vixen to provide one peer-reviewed, forensic-DNA expert who will vouch for Stefanoni's work. So far Vixen has provided a quote from Judge Nencini, who in 2014 summarized Prof Novelli's 2011 testimony to the Hellmann court as, "multiple amplifications are required to satisfy protocol." That sounded a lot like Prof Novelli was criticizing Stefanoni's work, but never mind. Then Nencini adds in - sans context - a quip by Prof Novelli that perhaps operator experience can compensate for not following protocol. No mention of if Stefanoni was included in that quip.

So - Vixen scores another own-goal, much like saying that the mods here on JREF/ISF removed her post of a manga-comic pic - only to find that the mods here did not do that; but more to the point, the pic bears little resemblance to the horrid murder.

Vixen was also asked to provide a cite for claiming that the two accused had sex next to a dead body. Crickets. But the slur had been made.

ETA - Vixen then posts a pic of blood on a door, and proceeds to misidentify the door!!!!! This is reminiscent of Vixen posting a pic of the outside window on the floor below Filomena's room, claiming the pic showed there were no bars on the windows. Then when it was pointed out to her that the pic clearly showed the bars on the windows, she started claiming the pic had been taken after the murder!!!, thus she had to speak against the very pic she herself had posted.

How weird is that?

Proof? We don't need no steenkin' proof!!!

It was amusing to follow the excuses as to why the hairs found in Meredith's room could be Amanda's even though they were never identified as being dyed, which is easily done. During that exchange, she also claimed her long-haired son "never left a hair anywhere". Uh-huh. Sure.

Besides the "very fine hair" claim she falsely attributed to me, she also falsely claimed I had said that I could see "every hair" on Amanda's head, even the back. Still waiting for her to present evidence of that one, too.

 

[Stacyhs]

Vixen lies again, and does it under the disgusting guise of calling Meredith by a term of endearment.

I don't think it was a deliberate lie, but a case of simply not doing her homework and using TMOMK as her information source. The site does have a good library of primary sources, I'll give them that. But I learned a long time ago that TMOMK presents biased opinions/assumptions as if they are facts, as demonstrated by this example. You cannot take their "facts" at face value. She should have figured that out by now.

 

[Bill Williams]

I don't think it was a deliberate lie, but a case of simply not doing her homework and using TMOMK as her information source. The site does have a good library of primary sources, I'll give them that. But I learned a long time ago that TMOMK presents biased opinions/assumptions as if they are facts, as demonstrated by this example. You cannot take their "facts" at face value. She should have figured that out by now.

I gave up on the fake-wiki when trying to get to the bottom of claims that Carla Vecchiotti was corrupt.

The only **primary** reference I could find was on the fake-wiki, which quoted Kercher lawyer as once spying Vecchiotti as once having lunch with a defence lawyer.

Somehow that one incident was supposed to have negated expert FORENSIC-DNA testimony/study. In the guilter mind there is no such thing as a defence lawyer requesting a sit-down with an expert to help lead them through their evidence.

That was it. Why let the evidence stand for what it is when a fake-wiki can quote someone like Maresca, who otherwise seemed to have no salient opinion.

The important thing was that guilty themes must be sustained regardless.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen lies again, and does it under the disgusting guise of calling Meredith by a term of endearment.

Heh, but you don't mind my calling the kids by endearing terms.

The reader can judge Bill Williams sincerity (or lack thereof) for him or herself.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen,
I can't find any reference anywhere that Nigel Scott escorted Raf to Meredith's grave site. I also can't find any reference to him calling the plot 'scruffy'.

Can you provide your source on this? Just want to make sure you aren't fabricating this out of thin air. Not that you have a tendency to do that or anything.

Isn't it rather time you did some elementary investigation into the case?

How rude to accuse me of fabricating when you are clearly ignorant of the facts. At least have the dignity to look up the facts first.

 

[Vixen]

In fairness, a guilty Knox might have wanted to mention this trip just in case any witnesses came forward to report having seen her travelling to and fro between Sollecito's apartment and the cottage that morning.

But it's moot anyhow. Knox and Sollecito had nothing to do with the murder, nor any mythical post-murder miraculously-selective clean-up.

Oh really? Perhaps you can put your spin on the following picture of Amanda's luminol highlighted footprint. Very incriminating, or perhaps LondonJohn can give us all his usual good smelly cow manure to explain it away'. What will it be this time, turnip juice 6-1 or horseradish 5/1? The book is open. 8/7 odds on favourite: 'It is Rudy's [hic].'

Or, more discerning minds, might like to read the analysis of the clean up, here.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...ow_rudy_guedes_diary_provides_even_more_proo/

 

[Bill Williams]

Heh, but you don't mind my calling the kids by endearing terms.

The reader can judge Bill Williams sincerity (or lack thereof) for him or herself.

So you don't dispute lying.

 

[Vixen]

LOL!

Rather than demonstrate what the context was - factually - Vixen invents something she thinks probably happened.

And then uses the "probably" to accuse the poster of being a misinformation merchant. All the while accusing him of being a "Knoxite", while perhaps being resistant herself to being deemed a "Migniniite". The modifier "-ite" should be reserved for people who simply make things up to defend a hero of theirs. Hoots!

Nope. You cannot make this stuff up.

'He'? Judy Bacharach is a 'he'? Well well well. Is she,or is she not, on Marriott's payroll?

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Isn't it rather time you did some elementary investigation into the case?

How rude to accuse me of fabricating when you are clearly ignorant of the facts. At least have the dignity to look up the facts first.

Hi Vixen,
You have absolutely no knowledge about the (lack of) scientific evidence against Amanda and Raffaele. I would suggest that, given this unfortunate fact, you not lecture others about doing "elementary investigation" into the case.

Furthermore, Nigel Scott has absolutely no bearing on the murder trial. Raffaele visiting or not visiting Meredith Kercher's grave has no bearing on the murder trial. The fact that you suggest otherwise is one of the bigger pieces of idiocy you have yet to utter.

You say "look up the facts". I attempted to Vixen. Your little factoid (/lie) that Nigel Scott took Raffaele to Meredith's grave appears in no reliable documents. Oh, it did appear in a string of posts on TJMK. Hmmmmm....

You claim you only use primary sources. Did you forget to mention that you use rumor and innuendo and made up information from TJMK and PMF as well? And you present that as "fact" in every single one of your posts? Because Vixen, TJMK and PMF and the lunatics who post there are decidedly not "primary sources". Can you explain why you use information from internet forums and present that as fact, but don't consider scientific documents published in Forensic Science: International as fact?

Can you explicitly provide the source where you read Nigel Scott took Raffaele to visit Meredith's grave? And that he said Meredith's plot was "scruffy"? You know, since you only use primary sources.

Furthermore could you actually provide your "primary" sources when requested rather than trying to lie, manipulate, and misdirect by accusing others of being "clearly ignorant of the facts." and saying "At least have the dignity to look up the facts first."

Only idiots and lunatics resort to those tactics rather than posting proper citations when requested. I hope you aren't attacking us just because we are requesting citations that you don't have Vixen. I hope you didn't just make it up, or get the information from forums known to be filled with lunatics that fabricate any information they can to smear Amanda and Raffaele. Where did you get your information Vixen? It is a simple question. No need to throw a hissy fit.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Oh really? Perhaps you can put your spin on the following picture of Amanda's luminol highlighted footprint. Very incriminating, or perhaps LondonJohn can give us all his usual good smelly cow manure to explain it away'. What will it be this time, turnip juice 6-1 or horseradish 5/1? The book is open. 8/7 odds on favourite: 'It is Rudy's [hic].'

Or, more discerning minds, might like to read the analysis of the clean up, here.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...ow_rudy_guedes_diary_provides_even_more_proo/

There is a very long list of substances that cause false positives with luminol. Would you like to see the list, Vixen? This is why you always follow it up with TMB tests and confirmatory tests in the lab. Every other test on that footprint showed up negative for blood. It also tested negative for DNA.

Would you care to elaborate on why you leave this important piece of information out when showing the footprint? Is your intent to deceive, lie, and manipulate public opinion? If so, you can give it a rest Vixen. We have you figured out over here. Perhaps your deficient scientific reasoning would be better received on TJMK and PMF?

Or are you only trying to deceive yourself with these posts of yours...? Because you can't admit you were so horribly wrong all these 8 years about the murder trial? Since every independent DNA expert has sided with the pro-innocence side? Since that would mean what you've been doing (propaganda, spreading lies and misinformation, trying to shill for your friends' books) is kind of evil? Well, Vixen, sorry to tell you, but evil has lost here. The ECHR is going to rule in favor of Amanda and Raffaele as well. The truth has prevailed and you have nothing else to fight (lie) for. Maybe it is time you moved on and do something more productive with your life?

 

[Bill Williams]

'He'? Judy Bacharach is a 'he'? Well well well. Is she,or is she not, on Marriott's payroll?

Vixen follow back on this mini-thread. You'll see this reply of yours makes no sense.

You'd be better off explaining why you need to continually lie to make your points, than waste time with non sequitor posts like this.

Or maybe that's the problem.

 

[Vixen]

I'm still waiting for Vixen to provide one peer-reviewed, forensic-DNA expert who will vouch for Stefanoni's work. So far Vixen has provided a quote from Judge Nencini, who in 2014 summarized Prof Novelli's 2011 testimony to the Hellmann court as, "multiple amplifications are required to satisfy protocol." That sounded a lot like Prof Novelli was criticizing Stefanoni's work, but never mind. Then Nencini adds in - sans context - a quip by Prof Novelli that perhaps operator experience can compensate for not following protocol. No mention of if Stefanoni was included in that quip.

So - Vixen scores another own-goal, much like saying that the mods here on JREF/ISF removed her post of a manga-comic pic - only to find that the mods here did not do that; but more to the point, the pic bears little resemblance to the horrid murder.

Vixen was also asked to provide a cite for claiming that the two accused had sex next to a dead body. Crickets. But the slur had been made.

ETA - Vixen then posts a pic of blood on a door, and proceeds to misidentify the door!!!!! This is reminiscent of Vixen posting a pic of the outside window on the floor below Filomena's room, claiming the pic showed there were no bars on the windows. Then when it was pointed out to her that the pic clearly showed the bars on the windows, she started claiming the pic had been taken after the murder!!!, thus she had to speak against the very pic she herself had posted.

How weird is that?

Proof? We don't need no steenkin' proof!!!

Judge Massei decreed they did, and Raff - in a rant to a national newspaper - confirms it here:

According to the reconstruction of Judge Giancarlo Massei, that sentenced Amanda and Raffaele to 25 and 26 years in prison, things went this way: Amanda and Raffaele after being 3 hours in the cold under the rain, the night of the 1st of November 2007, head toward Amanda’s house in Pergola street and go right away into Amanda’s room (a room that was smaller than Raffaele’s cell when he was in prison) and start making love to bother Meredith who was reading a book in the other room…doesn’t matter that more than 5 people had car trouble and were waiting for a tow-truck, in front of the house during that time, and they give testimony that nobody passed by.
Sorry, but why didn’t Amanda and Raffaele go to Raffaele’s house that was free and nobody would have been bothered?.. . Come-on! Why do you have to take into consideration this useless details, show us some firecrackers! Go Giancarlo!
Judge Massei continues: sometime during the evening, while the two were having sex in Amanda’s room, suddenly somebody knocked at the door… Amanda gets up and gets dressed, goes to the door and who does she see? ...Rudy Guede, a colored guy that didn’t know anybody except the guys of the lower floor and had met Amanda and Meredith only once but never in his life had he met Raffaele, that urgently needed to take a ****.
But what?! What kind of plot is this? Where in the hell do you see that people go around knocking on doors because they need to take a ******... Come on Giancarlo do not disappoint us! But judge Massei does not disappoint us…. Meanwhile Amanda opens the door to the poor black, victim of bewitching charm of Amanda, and goes inside to take a ****…. and Amanda as if nothing has happened, goes back to her room and gets undressed again…
But why couldn’t Meredith go open the door while she was reading a book?..Oh, right! Otherwise Amanda looses the part of the main actress, sorry, you are right!
Practically, according to Judge Giancarlo Massei’s reconstruction the story goes on like this : while Amanda and Raffaele went back to having sex, Rudy Guede comes out of the bathroom, after listening to some songs on his ipod, he is overwhelmed by the SEXUAL VIBRATIONS that Amanda and Raffaele were releasing in the house’s hallway and the bedroom….WTF Giancarlo, this is tough ****** Not even Dario Argento could come up with something like that…. “SEXUAL VIBRATIONS”....WTF you are a genius!! Give me five!...but the best part is still to come: when Guedé smells the SEXUAL VIBRATIONS, all of a sudden he is possessed and decides by all means that he has to have sexual intercourse with Meredith.. and ventures in her room and, being rejected, because, poor soul, he is ugly, Raffaele and Amanda get into the action and at that point don’t help Meredith who is their friend, but, to the contrary and unexpectedly, they help Rudy Guede to rape Meredith and then finish her up cutting her throat…
All three had knives: Rudy had a past as a thief, he used to burglarize offices and apartments with the same “modus operandi” that he used to get in in via della Pergola, moreover he has been captured while sleeping in a kindergarten in Milano with a knife in his bag. Raffaele had always a little collector knife in his pocket: never mind that he never used it to hurt anybody in his life, there are no traces of anybody else on his little knife ….Amanda… and Amanda? Judge Massei says that she used an enormous kitchen knife she got from the “looser” Raffaele’s house and put it in her purse…. why?? because…YOU NEVER KNOW (a 15 cm knife can always be useful …).. Massei says.
But the poor Meredith was a small build girl, her wounds are not that big and that knife would have gone through the neck because of how big it is… there isn’t blood on that knife nor Meredith’s DNA because the analysis of the scientific police are completely unreliable, not having been in compliance with international protocols. There are no bleach traces. What the police says are hypothesis never proved.
Come on, details! But there are no traces of Amanda and Raffaele on the crime scene, there are only Guede’s, everywhere. How is it possible that they were cleaned, where are the traces of the cleaning??! Come on do not break our balls! This is just details, let me see this movie!
What about that little bra hook? There are 5 different profiles…all on the iron part of the hook, nothing on the fabric: it has been found 46 days after the “polizia scientifica” swept the crime scene, and in the meantime the police had swept the scene several times with no anti-contamination precautions and put upside down the whole apartment. There isn’t Raffaele profile on that hook: if that mix of traces is properly read, you can find anybody’s DNA.
Do you want to stop with these bothersome things?!! Let’s finish watching this movie!! Massei concludes: we don’t know why Amanda and Raffaele chose to kill Meredith, but we have to accept their choice. THE EVIL CHOICE. Probably under the influence, because they didn’t despise her, taking into account that they said that they smoked a joint… unfortunately nobody tested to check if Amanda and Raffaele used heavy drugs or were in the habit of binge drinking. WTF! Great job! You weld The Exorcist and Lethal Weapon!! Giancarlo you are my idol!!!!
Translation by TJMK

So, here we have an insight into the mind of a reckless, anti-social, disrespectful yob, who calls the Judge 'Giancarlo'.

I was in a hurry this morning and inadvertently mislabelled the door. It doesn't change the fact of evidence of a clean up.

 

[Bill Williams]

Judge Massei decreed they did and Raff confirms it here:




So, here we have an insight into the mind of a reckless, anti-social, disrespectful yob, who calls the Judge 'Giancarlo'.

I was in a hurry this morning and inadvertently mislabelled the door. It doesn't change the fact of evidence of a clean up.

Truly - you could benefit by calming down, and quit using TJMK as a source.

Not to mention actually addressing questions put to you about the dozen or so lies you've told today.

 

[Methos]

Oh really? Perhaps you can put your spin on the following picture of Amanda's luminol highlighted footprint. Very incriminating, or perhaps LondonJohn can give us all his usual good smelly cow manure to explain it away'. What will it be this time, turnip juice 6-1 or horseradish 5/1? The book is open. 8/7 odds on favourite: 'It is Rudy's [hic].'

Yep, very incriminating, as long as one goes with Rinaldi's "compatible" based on as he himself writes "unusable" prints...
What do I have to think about this one? Compatible? I don't think so...

Or, more discerning minds, might like to read the analysis of the clean up, here.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...ow_rudy_guedes_diary_provides_even_more_proo/

Yes, of course, it's Meredith Kercher's killer's diary (the one he finished with a flowerish dedication very well knowing that it would be dissected) we should turn to for information...
TJMK/TMoMK's artists used a colour inverted version of the fingerprint map to make their point.
I wonder why people claiming that the only thing they want is "Truth and Justice for Meredith Kercher and her family" have to resort to lying and photoshopping to achieve that honorable goal...