Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

Skyeagle409:
Why do you keep derailing these threads with long treatises on how much you know about demolition?
Please stick to the subject matter and carry the debunking to the appropriate thread.


How about addressing the person for whom I was responding to! I do believe that I mentioned thermite not doing this, and thermite not doing that, so what were they looking for in the WTC dust samples?
 
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MicahJava, it appears you are trying to say that skyeagle409's video, "What National Geographic has to say about thermite and 9/11/2001," was "retracted" by NatGeo, who "apologized" for making that video.

This is not true.

In fact, Kevin Ryan's assertion that NatGeo was going to "apologize" was pure speculation:


Well, that assumption turned out to be Wrong. Here's Dick Gage's assessment of the National Geographic show Ryan said would include an "apology":


So, you're wrong. The NatGeo video skyeagle409 posted, of the failed attempt to melt a girder with thermite, has NOT been "debunked".

Why are you posting here, anyway? You've lost all credibility after claiming that fire isn't real.

That's some of the most obvious trolling I've ever seen on this board.

That's all I have to say on these matters.

"Hey Jim, these people are saying that thermite could be used to melt through giant steel beams. Should we try making a thermite cutter charge that's firmly focused on a beam, similar to regular explosive demolition charges?"

"Naaaah just get some heavy duty trash bags of thermite and light them near the column!"
 
"Hey Jim, these people are saying that thermite could be used to melt through giant steel beams. Should we try making a thermite cutter charge that's firmly focused on a beam, similar to regular explosive demolition charges?"

"Naaaah just get some heavy duty trash bags of thermite and light them near the column!"
Rather than demonstrate your ignorance about reality and possibilities by derailing the thread on a completely unrelated subject, please do so in the appropriate thread.
( a worthless request, as truthers ignore any advice toward reality....)
 
"Hey Jim, these people are saying that thermite could be used to melt through giant steel beams.



Try it on the thick steel columns of the WTC Towers and see how far you won't get. The fact there was no evidence of thermite in the dust sample is a major clue.
 
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Rather than demonstrate your ignorance about reality and possibilities by derailing the thread on a completely unrelated subject, please do so in the appropriate thread.
( a worthless request, as truthers ignore any advice toward reality....)

The vast majority here sailing happily far out in off-topic seas are actually debunkers. skyeagle409 posts almost exclusively off-topic.
 
The fact of the matter is a dust sample sent to an independent lab who then separated red chips using a magnet and then having a look at them using optical and electron microscopy would take less than a day and cost less than $1000.

It's an afternoons work to do that analysis. Maybe another afternoon for a couple of FTIR test. Then a day to gather the info and email it.

The reason Basile hasn't sent a single sample is he knows that if he did the lab would conclude that the red/gray chips are paint adhered to oxidised steel and hence show how wrong he, Harrit and the other truthers were when they did the farce of a Bentham paper. He knows the chips are paint, which is why he refuses to send a single one to a lab.

No dust sample will ever see an independent lab.
My own working hypothesis is that he (or an independent lab hired by him) already has done some analysis and he doesn't like the results.

And it makes me wonder if the "opposition" that has been reported has to do with the results rather than with the willingness to do the analysis.
 
Finally, an Apology From the National Geographic Channel by KEVIN RYAN

Johnathan Cole's homemade thermate cutter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g

Also, I think I remember Crazy Chainsaw once claimed that he made a similar thermite device once using a small amount.

Yes I did but only a fool would mix thermite oxygen cutting, and fire.

The easiest way to cut steel is too burn though it with oxygen, as in the original bridge girder cutting tool show in Jones's original paper.

The Areojel thermite mixture claimed by Jones & Harrit would be as harmful to the steel as unpoped pop corn.
Jones thought that Areojel thermite was explosive because it could do pressure work.
It makes a good fire work propellent. However it was never an explosive.
 
Skyeagle409:
Why do you keep derailing these threads with long treatises on how much you know about demolition?
Please stick to the subject matter and carry the debunking to the appropriate thread.
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History shows a lot of resistance to controversial scientific discoveries.

Because his findings supported Copernican science and conflicted with Aristotelian science, Galileo was convicted of suspicion of heresy and sentenced to a lifetime house arrest.

Today the state has so much power under the guise of National Security, there is very little protection from the whims of those in charge of threat assessment and response.

Today the Internet makes easy targets of those who, without the crutch of anonymity, publicly express controversial research.

When mild-mannered chemist Mark Basile got involved in researching nano-thermite, he, like other researchers, was not prepared for the personal cost.

If the mainstream media was not such a slave to job security and greed, they would have smitten questions like nano-thermite years ago.

How hard do you believe it would be for CBS to have obtained 9/11 WTC Ground Zero dust for a 60 MINUTES segment.

The lab costs would be a minor entry in the budget.

If the nano-thermite findings by Dr.Harrit et al cannot be reproduced independently, than that finding loses its legitimacy.

One of the two big smoking guns of 9/11 could be laid to rest.

Thanks to growing organizations like AE911Truth, few people are unaware of the continuing controversy surrounding 9/11.

My point is, the ratings for such News stories would be expected to be quite good, read profitable.

Stories like nano-thermite and the high speed collapse of WTC7 remain ignored or are scripted using pre-determined, unproven conclusions.

Oddly, profit and fame-motivated TV News producers avoid quality investigations into 9/11 truth claims.

Most certainly chemist Mark Basile never sought the suffocating attention that comes from being in the public eye.

It should be no cause for wonder that sincere individuals like Mark Basile, now avoid additional publicity about their works-in-progress.

At the end of the day, I expect that Mark Basile will either finish what he started or bow under the pressure and return all the money to his supporters.

It certainly is not enough money to tempt him, or any other working professional into ruining their professional and personal reputations.

JAYZUS
 
Hello Ziggi,

your blog "http://nanothermite911.blogspot.com" started on December 11, 2012, with an article "Fund Raiser for New Objective Study of WTC Dust".
The part that actually talks about Mark's upcoming study and the fundraiser links to:
http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/study/
That link is dead now, but you know, we know that "Aneta" is Rick Shaddock's website and project. It seems you were piggy-backing Aneta, and that actually Rick was the original fundraiser. Please comment on this!.

Oystein, this blog you refer to http://nanothermite911.blogspot.com is in fact run by JM Talboo just as he runs our main blog 911debunkers.blogspot...I contribute to both but cannot call them "mine" - that honor belongs to JMT. I and JMT posted ALL the original articles and updates for the fundraiser via these blogspots and Rick Shaddock simply copied them to his ANETA page. Our blogspot articles referred readers to Rick´s ANETA page because it hosted the donation page for the project http://aneta.org/911Experiments_com/WTCdust/index.htm - that was Rick´s part in all this - and since Talboo and I were handling the fundraising and promotion for the study we obviously referred readers to the page where they could donate money http://aneta.org/911Experiments_com/WTCdust/index.htm. Some of our short promotional articles said something like "if you want to know more about the study/why you should donate then clink this link" and that would refer them to the ANETA page that hosted the donation...and if people did go there and choose to read more about the study before donating money Rick had link named
Fund Raiser Information
...that lead them right back to a specific blogspot essay by myself and Talboo, reposted on ANETA.

Keep scrolling down Ricks donation page and you see that Rick provides links for study updates, again linking to Talboo/Zugam blogspot page and a separate link to a status update report from Basile given to me then posted by Talboo on that blogspot page - again Rick just reposts it as his own PDF:

Most Recent Status Report

Report on Independent Lab Study of the WTC dust
project_status_august_2014.pdf

Nanothermite911.blogspot.com

And near the bottom of Ricks donation page he again reposts my work from Talboo´s blogspot to provide his readers with an update

Sunday, August 2, 2015

Mark Basile Red/Gray Chip Study Back on Track

By Ziggi Zugam

So Oystein, Rick´s page was basically copying/relying on our work not the other way around. And for the record, JM Talboo is the originator of this project and the "original fundraiser"...Rick and I came on board later to help JMT.



.......You and JM wrote back then:

....You clearly, personally (you, Ziggi) back then raised the expectation that 100% the analysis would be done by independent labs - NOT by Mark himself. Mark would be at most selecting the specimens. Clearly, by apparently doing analysis himself (dependently), not via independent labs, Mark is ignoring and breaking that expectation. Please comment on this!.

WOW Oystein, how impressive, you accuse me here of having fooled donors when I ran the fundraiser yet you also claim a couple of hours later in another post that there is no evidence that I ever ran the fundraising..http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11458882&postcount=459
We need to see evidence from Ziggi that he is in fact in contact with Mark Basile, has in fact run the fundraising, etc. All these are unsupported bare assertions as of now

Anyway, it should be blatantly obvious that we raised money to pay independent labs to replicate tests that Basile has done. Basile has been adding to his list of tests that will need to be replicated, and once done adding to that list the independent replication tests can begin and the money raised gets spent on that. Very simple. There is no conflict. And you of all people that has spent years making up stories about Harrit et al not doing tests with enough kinds of equipment should applaud Basile for expanding that list instead of trying to make it look suspicious.


...Ziggi, you now tell us that "the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already." - in other words, that the promise will be consciously, deliberately broken - but you provide no reason for breaking the promise. Please do so now!.

What non-sense. Rick posted a partial email from me as a project update a few months ago where this was discussed. Basile is too busy to meet deadlines/schedules for regular project updates as originally planned so the plan changed. You know this because someone posted a comment on this forum to notify you all of this update: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11108021&postcount=334

All the money goes to independent tests as promised and it will all be accounted for once it has been spent as promised. The only difference is that the accounting will most likely be done in one fell swoop once it is all done instead of in installments as money is spent. No need to get your nickers all twisted up dear.


I understand that Rick Shaddock is a donor, and had lost patience at some point. I'll ask him if he agrees with what you say.

I was referring to donors from the general public not people that worked on the project. Rick recently assured both JMT and Basile that no donors have asked for their money back.
 
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My own working hypothesis is that he (or an independent lab hired by him) already has done some analysis and he doesn't like the results.


As far as I am concern, earlier dust sample reports had summed it up fairly well so there is no need to continue investigations. It seems that ignorance runs rampant in their camp because if they understood anything about thermite, nano-thermite, structural steel and structural load redistribution, they would understand why the discussion and calls for further investigations are unwarranted and unnecessary.
 
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The fact of the matter is a dust sample sent to an independent lab who then separated red chips using a magnet and then having a look at them using optical and electron microscopy would take less than a day and cost less than $1000.

It's an afternoons work to do that analysis. Maybe another afternoon for a couple of FTIR test. Then a day to gather the info and email it.

The reason Basile hasn't sent a single sample is he knows that if he did the lab would conclude that the red/gray chips are paint adhered to oxidised steel and hence show how wrong he, Harrit and the other truthers were when they did the farce of a Bentham paper. He knows the chips are paint, which is why he refuses to send a single one to a lab.

No dust sample will ever see an independent lab.

Truthers: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE empty your bank accounts, hock or sell any possessions you can spare, and donate the proceeds to Mark Basile! He's running desperately low on beer, pizza, hookers, and high-grade weed and needs more money! :rolleyes:
 
The reason Basile hasn't sent a single sample is he knows that if he did the lab would conclude that the red/gray chips are paint adhered to oxidised steel and hence show how wrong he, Harrit and the other truthers were when they did the farce of a Bentham paper. He knows the chips are paint, which is why he refuses to send a single one to a lab.


It is amazing how gullible some folks are and how they easily knee down to these con artist. Those same con artist have been laughing all the way to the bank over the years because they know they can continue to prey on such gullible folks in order to lighten the load of their wallets.

The red/gray chip debate had me shaking me head in disbeilef as I tried to understand how some folks could have been so gullible as to believe such nonsense.

Simply amazing!!
 
The fact of the matter is a dust sample sent to an independent lab who then separated red chips using a magnet and then having a look at them using optical and electron microscopy would take less than a day and cost less than $1000.

It's an afternoons work to do that analysis. Maybe another afternoon for a couple of FTIR test. Then a day to gather the info and email it.

The reason Basile hasn't sent a single sample is he knows that if he did the lab would conclude that the red/gray chips are paint adhered to oxidised steel and hence show how wrong he, Harrit and the other truthers were when they did the farce of a Bentham paper. He knows the chips are paint, which is why he refuses to send a single one to a lab.

No dust sample will ever see an independent lab.

That does seem to be the case, and furthermore it appears the reason Basile now knows the chips aren't thermite is because he changed the terms of the project to include his own pretesting. And the obvious reason he did that was because he realized, just a little too late, that sending paint chips to a lab would kill the thermite idiocy (and his ego investment in it). And the reason he can't find any thermite in the paint chips is also pretty obvious, despite Ziggi's laughable attempt to blow smoke up everyone's butts.

What we have here, then, is a test of intellectual integrity, and Basile and Ziggi are failing.
 
What we have here, then, is a test of intellectual integrity, and Basile and Ziggi are failing.

Of course correct... with all the money that AE raises... they could fund several studies of samples from the 911 samples to multiple independent labs who have no skin in the game.

Dear Lab,
Please find samples of some material we would like a comprehensive chemical analysis of. I thank you in advance for your timely report.
Thank you,
John Doe.

Easy peasy!
 
If some truther has dust from the world trade center and can prove its chain of custody and that it hasn't been tampered with, I will personally pay for its chemical composition to be tested in a reputable independent lab. We could have it done next week.

This may be the saddest and most transparent long con of them all. How people can look at 6 years of failure to do an independent study and not see the conmen for what they are is beyond me.
 

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