Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

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Criteria said:
I have talked to at least one person recently who has been in direct contact with Mark Basile. It is not likely that Mark has sufficient respect for your work (play?) that he would dare trust you with a private update.
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It has been a full two (2) YEARS now since Mark Basile informed the public that he was in the process of finishing chip separation and would, within few months, select the most suitable chips and send them to independent labs. He promised to make all expenses public once money is being spent.


So Criteria, what did you hear about this from at least one person recently?
Has Basile found no suitable specimens?
Or has he broken his promise to do an independent study by sending them to independent labs?
Or has he broken his promise to do public accounting?

Or did at least one person fail to remind Basile that he is more than 1.5 years behind, and appears to be defrauding his donors?

Please give us an update!
 
Here's an even better idea.

How about taking those dust samples and separating out both red primer paint chips AND red thermitic chips.

Anyone ever done that yet? Should be easy to do right?
 
Oystein said:
In another thread:
Criteria said:
I have talked to at least one person recently who has been in direct contact with Mark Basile. [...]
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So Criteria, what did you hear about this from at least one person recently?
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My reading of Criteria's words is that he has talked to at least one person who claims to have been in direct contact with Mark Basile, and Criteria has believed that person. By my reading, that person might be Ziggi. A number of people in this forum have also talked to Ziggi so that's not really saying much, unless Criteria specifies what he means exactly.
 
Gamolon said:
Here's an even better idea.

How about taking those dust samples and separating out both red primer paint chips AND red thermitic chips.

Anyone ever done that yet? Should be easy to do right?
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Yes indeed, it was easy and I might add that is not the way thermite is used.


No Thermite Found

The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn't find thermitic material. Other sampling of the pulverized dust by United States Geological Survey and RJ Lee did not report any evidence of thermite or explosives. It has been theorized the "thermite material" found was primer paint.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14665953


LaClede Standard Primer

“Iron oxide” is hematite, chemical formula Fe2O3, a red pigment. Hematite pigments are bright red at particle sizes between 100 and 300 nanometers, and in that size it is universally used in all kinds of paints.

“Aluminium Silicate” is kaolin, chemical formula Al2Si2O5(OH)4, a clay mineral very commonly used in paints to control gloss consistence. Kaolin appears naturally in platetelets some micrometers across and some tens of nanometers thick, which tend to stack.

composition

* Pigment: 28.5% by weight

* Iron Oxide: 55%

* Aluminium Silicate: 41%

* Strontium Chromate: 4%

* Vehicle: 71.5%

* Epoxy Amine and other: 100%

http://oystein-debate.blogspot.com/2012/03/another-primer-at-wtc-laclede-standard.html


Red-Gray Chips Tested and Determined Not to Be Thermite

The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/Millette/paper/index.htm
 
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Georgio said:
Bump for Ziggi. This question was put to him in another thread where it was off-topic.
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I'll answer your question as soon as you address the concerns about the Basile study. You are the spokes person, right?

What happened to the study and money?
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Dear Georgio, I hardly ever check out this sad forum these days and apparently neither do the people that used to do it for me and send me updates, so leaving a question for me on the forum is not likely to get a response - if you have serious questions for me then email me at ziggizugam@gmail.com

For the record, JM Talboo and I of "debunkingthedebunkers" have taken care of the fundraising for and promotion of Mark Basile´s independent study, and as such we have been the spokespersons for that effort. I presume that Mr. Basile will be his own spokesperson once the study is ready for the public.

Mr. Basile received a new dust sample several months ago and his study of WTC dust and specific chips therein has been on-going in his spare time all this time - and some of this inquiry has included the use of new equipment.

An independent lab will receive samples for independent testing at some point but the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already.

We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
 
Ziggi said:
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We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
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Gee, does that mean that truthers will never again kvetch about the length of time it took for NIST to complete the WTC7 final report?
 
Ziggi said:
Dear Georgio, I hardly ever check out this sad forum these days and apparently neither do the people that used to do it for me and send me updates, so leaving a question for me on the forum is not likely to get a response - if you have serious questions for me then email me at ziggizugam@gmail.com

For the record, JM Talboo and I of "debunkingthedebunkers" have taken care of the fundraising for and promotion of Mark Basile´s independent study, and as such we have been the spokespersons for that effort. I presume that Mr. Basile will be his own spokesperson once the study is ready for the public.

Mr. Basile received a new dust sample several months ago and his study of WTC dust and specific chips therein has been on-going in his spare time all this time - and some of this inquiry has included the use of new equipment.

An independent lab will receive samples for independent testing at some point but the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already.

We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
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Thank you for the update, but I hope that the people responsible for the delay knows that they are not acting like humans on planet Earth. After ingesting some strange fungi a couple of months ago, I pondered how obvious it seems that Mark could have simply given up on the project and accepted the paint theory. The demolition advocates should want to be the scientists they wished the government scientists could be. It really doesn't come across that Mark and friends believe they may be sitting on one of the biggest scientific discoveries of all time.
 
Ziggi said:
Dear Georgio, I hardly ever check out this sad forum these days and apparently neither do the people that used to do it for me and send me updates, so leaving a question for me on the forum is not likely to get a response - if you have serious questions for me then email me at ziggizugam@gmail.com

For the record, JM Talboo and I of "debunkingthedebunkers" have taken care of the fundraising for and promotion of Mark Basile´s independent study, and as such we have been the spokespersons for that effort. I presume that Mr. Basile will be his own spokesperson once the study is ready for the public.

Mr. Basile received a new dust sample several months ago and his study of WTC dust and specific chips therein has been on-going in his spare time all this time - and some of this inquiry has included the use of new equipment.

An independent lab will receive samples for independent testing at some point but the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already.

We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
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So he still intends to send the thermite to a lab, just a soon as he can find some, huh.
 
WilliamSeger said:
So he still intends to send the thermite to a lab, just a soon as he can find some, huh.
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Or make some, at this point it is irrelevant, if there had been any unnatural material in the
Dust samples it should have been easy to spot if it was significant.
Basile's Credibility is shot, as is Ziggi's.

Nothing can now ever come of this.:D
 
JSanderO said:
Why does this take so long? and cost so much?
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Because truthers got their buts kicked in the microspheres debate, tried paint chip trickery and failed.
The first thing that needs to be done if the study comes back positive, for thermite is lock upmJones and the rest for withholding evidence, the studies he refused to release.:D
 
MicahJava said:
"It really doesn't come across that Mark and friends believe they may be sitting on one of the biggest scientific discoveries of all time."
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History shows a lot of resistance to controversial scientific discoveries.

Because his findings supported Copernican science and conflicted with Aristotelian science, Galileo was convicted of suspicion of heresy and sentenced to a lifetime house arrest.

Today the state has so much power under the guise of National Security, there is very little protection from the whims of those in charge of threat assessment and response.

Today the Internet makes easy targets of those who, without the crutch of anonymity, publicly express controversial research.

When mild-mannered chemist Mark Basile got involved in researching nano-thermite, he, like other researchers, was not prepared for the personal cost.

If the mainstream media was not such a slave to job security and greed, they would have smitten questions like nano-thermite years ago.

How hard do you believe it would be for CBS to have obtained 9/11 WTC Ground Zero dust for a 60 MINUTES segment.

The lab costs would be a minor entry in the budget.

If the nano-thermite findings by Dr.Harrit et al cannot be reproduced independently, than that finding loses its legitimacy.

One of the two big smoking guns of 9/11 could be laid to rest.

Thanks to growing organizations like AE911Truth, few people are unaware of the continuing controversy surrounding 9/11.

My point is, the ratings for such News stories would be expected to be quite good, read profitable.

Stories like nano-thermite and the high speed collapse of WTC7 remain ignored or are scripted using pre-determined, unproven conclusions.

Oddly, profit and fame-motivated TV News producers avoid quality investigations into 9/11 truth claims.

Most certainly chemist Mark Basile never sought the suffocating attention that comes from being in the public eye.

It should be no cause for wonder that sincere individuals like Mark Basile, now avoid additional publicity about their works-in-progress.

At the end of the day, I expect that Mark Basile will either finish what he started or bow under the pressure and return all the money to his supporters.

It certainly is not enough money to tempt him, or any other working professional into ruining their professional and personal reputations.
 
Criteria said:
History shows a lot of resistance to controversial scientific discoveries.

Because his findings supported Copernican science and conflicted with Aristotelian science, Galileo was convicted of suspicion of heresy and sentenced to a lifetime house arrest.
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No evidence that any "truther" scientist is close to Galileo in term s of ability.

Today the Internet makes easy targets of those who, without the crutch of anonymity, publicly express controversial research.
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Kind of like "truthers" with Bazant, NIST scientists, etc...
 
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