America had suffered a terrorist attack, but they weren't at war.
Tell it to Bush.....
"On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country." - Pres G Bush
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911jointsessionspeech.htm
Who gives a proverbial about redacted pages detail without establishing any reason to be concerned?
I'd say this is a pretty good reason:
Congressional Record: October 28, 2003 (Senate)
(a) Findings.--The Senate finds that--
(1) The President has prevented the release to the American
public of 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence
Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks
of September 2001.
(2) The contents of the redacted pages discuss sources of
foreign support for some of the September 11th hijackers
while they were in the United States.
(3) The Administration's decision to classify this
information prevents the American people from having access
to information about the involvement of certain foreign
governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001.
(b) Sense of the Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate
that in light of these findings the President should
declassify the 28-page section of the Joint Inquiry into
Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the
Terrorist Attacks of September 2001 that deals with foreign
sources of support for the 9-11 hijackers, and that only
those portions of the report that would directly compromise
ongoing investigations or reveal intelligence sources and
methods should remain classified.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html
The VP is part of the NCA, who said he was not part of the chain?! That will not stop 911 truth nonsense.
"Rumsfeld: Technically, it couldn't, because the Vice President is not in the chain of command."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51086828/...002-12-23-Rumsfeld-Donald-H-Less-Redacted-044
3.1. National Command Authorities (NCA). The NCA consists only of the President and the Secretary of Defense or their duly deputized alternates or successors.
http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/dodd/corres/pdf2/d510030p.pdf
Technically, VP is a member of the NCA.
Saying it doesn't make it true.
Holy mother of facts. Now you are saying the military ignored the VP, after you said the VP can't do orders anyway. Good for you, more nonsense, worthless tripe.
No we're not saying it, the audio recordings are .........
Newly published audio this week reveals that Vice President Dick Cheney’s infamous Sept. 11, 2001 order to shoot down rogue civilian aircraft was ignored by military officials, who instead ordered pilots to only identify suspect aircraft. That revelation is one of many in newly released audio recordings compiled by investigators for the 9/11 Commission, published this week by The Rutgers Law Review.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/08/military-officials-ignored-cheneys-911-shoot-down-order/
LOL! Reality sux huh?
If German law were applicable
If German law were applicable you would have won WW2. You didn't. So it's not. Your fairy tale is irrelevant.
The VP is part of the NCA
LOL! Saying it over and over does not make it true.
You make up lies and go on because you are upset the VP is part of the NCA, but you have no clue because you are using filtered sources
LOL!
Flight training would not raise flags, the United States is a great place to learn to fly before 911.
No, it wouldn't raise flags just ask FBI agent Ken Williams or Moussaoui......
APRIL 12--Two months before the September 11 attacks, FBI agent Kenneth Williams sent the below memo to bureau brass in Washington and New York warning that a cadre of Osama bin Laden disciples might be training at U.S. flight schools in preparation for future "terror activity against civil aviation targets."
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/2001-memo-warned-bin-laden-aviation-cadre
Why was Zacarias Moussaoui arrested? Answer: Because you're wrong again......
The managers -- Hugh Sims, 65, and Tim Nelson, 45 -- said they saw red flags before Moussaoui even showed up at the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Eagan, Minnesota, 29 days before the attacks that toppled the World Trade Center and left a smoldering hole in the Pentagon.
It was an e-mail from Moussaoui to the flight school's Miami, Florida, headquarters that first piqued their suspicion. In it, Moussaoui -- using the handle "zuluman tango tango" -- said he wanted to learn how to fly 747 passenger jets.
http://articles.cnn.com/2006-03-03/...ol_1_flight-school-jumbo-jet-boeing?_s=PM:LAW
a look at the man charged with the deadliest crime ever committed in the United States and whether his actions should have raised many more red flags.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/02/attack/main322807.shtml
Flight training would not raise flags, the United States is a great place to learn to fly before 911.
Then, earlier this week, an FBI field agent testified that he sent up dozens of red flags about Moussaoui and his likely terrorist connections
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/23/news_pf/Opinion/From_investigation_to.shtml
The briefing for Tenet was titled "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly."
In one of its more stinging case studies, the staff report noted that Tenet learned on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001, about the arrest in Minnesota a week earlier of Moussaoui, a suspected jihadist who was attempting to learn how to fly jetliners.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13122-2004Apr14.html
At most, I expect it might show some kind of shady business deal Bush was involved in that had nothing to do with 9/11, but that he thought might get accidentally discovered/publicized anyway.
This "theory" is not supported by the the senate record or the people who did the investigation and wrote the report. But if this
were true, then the President abused his power and for selfish reasons.
But, like I said, I don't believe in censoring information without a darn good reason.
Agreed!
The POTUS was simply not in the FAA/NEADS loop as of this point in time.
Why don't you tell us when the POTUS was in the FAA/NEADS loop? Was it after the world knew that two airliners slammed into two buildings in NY? Answer:No Was it after the pentagon was hit by a third plane? Answer:No So tell us when was he in the FAA/NEADS loop?
All that's here is General Arnold relaying the facts he never received a shoot down order. How, in any way, prove or disprove that GWB deserted his post?
Tell us why the POTUS was not in the FAA/NEADS loop, and neither was the other half of the NCA - Rumsfeld. After the second strike on the WTC what was preventing these two from being "in the loop"?
Even if the terrorists were funded for their stay in America by Saudis, it would be the same as parents funding a kid to go to college, and then the kid go nuts and kills people at the school; the parents did not know the kid was nuts.
Is that why Saudi Intelligence was tracking the hijackers? The CIA were tracking a few to, just keeping tabs on their kids ya think?
Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision."
"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said
.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/
I agree with you and others that the 28 redacted pages could be relevant to a discussion of possible coverups by the Bush administration. I think there is a reasonable case to be made that Bush's relationship with the Saudis was (and still is) a potential cause of great embarrassment to him, and it doesn't take a great leap of imagination to think that efforts were made to hide some of the facts. I would not be at all surprised to find that there were abuses of executive power in that effort - I think this kind of thing happens all too often, here in Canada as well as elsewhere. I don't think it's unique to Bush and Co. or 9/11.
I think what the people that wrote the report say it pertains to is more important than your opinion, or theory.
(3) The Administration's decision to classify this
information prevents the American people from having access
to information about the involvement of certain foreign
governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html
Bush didn't have buddies in the Iraq Government. I wonder if this would be classified if Iraq were who they were talking about? Ya think?
You pick very select quotes from the 9/11 Commission Report, but ignore the ones that refute your claim.
Such as the officer that ordered the launch of the fighters from Otis AFB, with a comment approximately "Do it, and we'll worry about authorization later."
No, "select quotes" like the one you just made do not refute my claim. Yet another dishonest proclamation. The officer that launched those fighters from Otis was Colonel Marr,and the exact quote from the 9-11 commission report was, "go ahead and scramble them, we'll get authorities later", and the quote is attributed to General Arnold.
At NEADS, the report of the hijacking was relayed immediately to Battle Commander Colonel Robert Marr.After ordering the Otis fighters to battle stations, Colonel Marr phoned Major General Larry Arnold, commanding general of the First Air Force and NORAD’s Continental Region.Marr sought authorization to scramble the Otis fighters. General Arnold later recalled instructing Marr to “go ahead and scramble them, and we’ll get authorities later.” General Arnold then called NORAD headquarters to report.
http://www.911commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
That was flight 11, and no one was going to shoot that plane down because they didn't know it was on a suicide mission. General Arnold also testified......
GEN. ARNOLD: That is correct. In fact, the American Airlines 77, if we were to have arrived overhead at that particular point, I don’t think that we would have shot that aircraft down.
MR. HAMILTON: Because?
GEN. ARNOLD: Well, we had not been given authority –
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm
I've already shown you, via facts and evidence, that just intercepting any of the four planes would have been impossible, let alone shooting them out of the sky.
Yes, thanks in part to the FAA hijack coordinator being gone that only helped things according to you and your theory.
MR. LEHMAN: But had you gotten notified earlier, 77's deviance, about when it turned east, for instance, certainly you could have gotten the F-16s there, and certainly there would have been time to communicate to either get or deny authority, no? -- for 77?
GEN. ARNOLD: I believe that to be true. I believe that to be true. That had happened very fast, but I believe that to be true.
MR. BEN-VENISTE: What efforts were made that day to contact the president to seek that authority?
GEN. ARNOLD: I do not know.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm
The claims being implied or in some cases actually being made regarding the President and the Sec of Def are simply a bunch of made up malarkey from ignorant know nothings with typical twoofer mentality...
Yes, the actions of Rumsfeld and Bush that day are perfectly reasonable, that is why Cheney was in charge.
In short: Under German constitutional law, what you consider "common sense" would be clearly, absolutely illegal!
Like I said. You lost WW2 No one gives a ◊◊◊◊ about your laws. Ooops I mean except for folks like carlitos.....
And, as ever, I learned something from the Constitutional discussion.
LOL! Yes, let's pretend 9/11 happened in Germany!
No, but as a lifelong brainwashed Republican I probably would have if I decided to waste my time and vote in 2000 or 2004.
I am embarrassed to say that I've always been a registered Republican, so much for political bias. But I don't owe allegiance to any political party.
If Graham had facts and evidence, Graham would have a Pulitzer Prize. But Graham has opinion, and he does exactly what you do!
No, if Graham had facts and evidence he would have it in his report on the Investigation of the 9-11 attacks and then Bush would censor it to keep you free. But maybe me and Sen Shelby are undercover secret Democrats trying to make Bush look bad due to political bias LOL!
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html
Let's pretend we lived in a mythical world where there was a standing order to shoot down hijacked civilian aircraft within American airspace on 9/11/2001
I will play but only if we include missiles holograms and flying winged men in this mythical world to make it really exciting! Or we could deal with reality.
So? In my opinion, the fact that the FAA dealt directly with NEADS cut out a middle man. I don't see where Canavan's presence would have significantly increased response times to the point where fighters could have intercepted and shot down a civilian airliner.
LOL! Yes, it was probably best that FAA hijack Coordinator was not in U.S. on 9-11 and helped the FAA with its notifications to the military!
It would be pretty hard to hijack planes without hijackers. They shouldn't have been allowed in the U.S. in the first place. Do you think the CIA or Saudi Intelligence were aware of any of these hijackers? And do you think they were known to be Al Qaeda operatives?
You've given your reasons for how Bush and Rumsfeld were national heroes on 9-11, let's hear the case for why we shouldn't know who else was involved in the murder of 3000 Americans on 9-11
(3) The Administration's decision to classify this
information prevents the American people from having access
to information about the involvement of certain foreign
governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html
You think the 19 hijackers might be at the bottom of the Al Qaeda power totem pole? Think KSM -UBL might be a little higher up? Think there might be a little more to the story? Probably not huh?
