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In what way is Obama a successful President?

Obamacare
He improved international relations to an all time high. Which is something, given the hash Bush made
Same sex marriage
Though he wasn't that successful due to gun nutters highlighting and trying to bring in as many gun reforms as poss

Yeah and the big one, for the US: "Its the economy stupid". Yeah I know wages have been pretty stagnant, and the workforce participation rate isn't great... but its a night and day difference between when he took office versus now.
 
In theory, same sex marriage had nothing to do with the executive branch. It was a Supreme Court decision. In theory ...
Are you arguing that the decision happened in part from pressure from Obama? Thanks for making an argument on his behalf?
 
Well, he won a Nobel Peace Prize, for starters. ;)

There is the matter of eliminating OBL, although I think those who say it wasn't due to Obama have a pretty good argument.

I think his comments on race relations have been awful and irresponsible, Obamacare is predictably moving towards disaster, and he's used a lot of rhetoric that divides people instead of the healing and unification we were promised.

Oh, yeah, I'm supposed to be listing what he's done that has been successful. I can't think of much, although I get the feeling you think he's been a lot worse than I do. I at least don't think he's done too many things that have been completely awful, Presidential-wise. I'm pretty surprised to hear you say you think HRC would be that much better. Must be some rationalization about that bet you lost with your wife. :)
 
I think his comments on race relations have been awful and irresponsible,
Of course you do. Republicans have their heads up their asses about racism. It's about time a president articulated the reality of where we are. He's message, boiled down to we've come a long way but there is still a ways to go, is 100% correct. It's a shame us white folks get offended by the reality of the fact that racism still exists.
 
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  • ACA will be seen as the first steps to UHC and having the U.S. join the rest of civilized world.

Well, like I said in the OP, I think he screwed up ACA royally. It's hard to imagine anybody doing a worse job. Evidently, you don't feel the need to rebut my arguments there, but what else is new?

  • Managed to recover from the previous administrations economic disaster, despite repeated sabotage attempts by Republicans.

I think the economy would have recovered faster, and be in better shape now, if he had done nothing at all. Sharp recessions should have sharp recoveries. This is particularly so for recessions caused by a liquidity crisis in a fiat currency system. Cut taxes, increase spending, and voila. Except Obama screwed the stimulus up by turning it into Christmas for Democratic constituencies, which not only blunted the effectiveness of the stimulus but also make it politically untenable to do a larger one. Then he compounded the error by forcing banks to slow the foreclosure process, and turning ACA into a prolonged job killing morass of uncertainty and new taxes.


  • Helped more U.S. residents achieve equality regardless of sexual orientation

Seemed like he was actually behind the curve on this, and it would have certainly happened within a couple of years anyway, regardless of what he did.

  • Maintained his dignity and focus while his religion was attacked, his citizenship attacked, and being accused of hating America, white people, and being accused of appeasing and being complicit in terrorism against the U.S.

Pfft. Please. All the "right thinking" people in the media and elsewhere were on his side, and he was able to use such stupid talk to undermine and smear his opposition. If you don't think he loved the birther nonsense, or the Muslim nonsense, then your understanding of politics is shallow indeed. If anything, he was stoking the birthers on purpose to keep the controversy going. When Donald Trump waded in, I guess he finally tired of the game.

Compare his so-called dignity with George W. Bush's in the face of slander an order of magnitude worse. And we'll see if Obama manages to keep his trap shut once he's out of office like both Bushes have. Bill Clinton sure didn't, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that neither will Obama.

  • Oversaw the killing of OBL after previous president stopped trying.

"Oversaw" is what I write too on my resume when I try to take credit for some success my subordinates have had. Tracking OBL is something that took place at a level far removed from the Presidency. And there is no way that the US stopped looking while Bush was President. That's just idiotic.

  • Didn't enter into any wars

Given the mess that Iraq and Syria have become, perhaps that's nothing to be proud of. I think that the Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS will perhaps be the greatest stain on Obama's Presidency. Comparable to the Rwandan genocide that stained Bill Clinton's (although Bill is largely remembered for a different kind of stain).

  • Will be given credit for the implosion of the Republican party (hopefully it returns to normalcy in the future)

Well, that's not a good thing, but I do think that Trumpism is in large part a reaction to many of the depredations and provocations of the Obama administration. In any case, I think the GOP will return to normal after the election, regardless of the results. The Supreme Court won't, however, but that's a fluke of timing.

  • Didn't allow the Climate Science deniers to derail progress combating AGW (albeit slower then hoped)

Combating AGW is a crock of ****. Obama accomplished nothing, and that is a good thing actually.

  • Continued pushing alternative energy, at the expense of fossil fuels.

Another crock of ****. Subsidizing alternative energy is simply a waste of money. It would have happened anyway, just a little later, when maybe it was more economical. The fracking revolution has totally gutted his investment in alternative energy. Just like the digital revolution gutted Japan's investment in high definition analog TV 20 years ago.

  • His keeping reasonable gun control conversation moving will be applauded as future presidents will continue his momentum and make progress to join the res of the civilized world.

Well, luckily he has completely failed on gun control. I'm a little flabbergasted that you would consider his Presidency a success on that issue, because I do, but for a different reason.
 
LOL, seriously I LOL'd. It's clear you looked at the topics in the sentence and played your right wing script without even bothering to read the full sentence.

A right wing, less creative and accurate Eliza.

Well, you asked, I responded. I'll yield to you and logger (dynamic duo) to champion right thinkers everywhere.
 
But any President would have done the same thing in that respect. I don't think it's either to his credit or discredit. It's just where technology is taking us.

I agree - but history has to have someone's name attached to the beginning of drone and robot warfare.

Should we count things that Obama vetoed as part of his success?

Yes, absolutely.
 
Just a few off the top of my head...

1. Obama prevented severe global depression as the world faced what was largely the largest financial crisis in history. Bush gets credit too. Both listened to their experts and acted accordingly. But by the time Obama took office, the financial crisis had caused a demand crisis, and Republicans had decided to oppose Obama at all costs. Obama knew he would take political heat for extending TARP to the auto industry and rolling out the record breaking stimulus, but he still acted as strongly as he politically could to save the economy. Not an easy way to start a presidency.

2. Green economy. It was clear that Republicans were going to fight Obama from the beginning, so Obama targeted Stimulus funding to build green markets. Stimulus funding in the US combined with Chinese solar panel subsidies combined to bring solar prices crashing down. In a relatively short period of time, solar has more or less reached market parity in sunny portions of the US, allowing further economies of scale improvements to be driven by the market's own inertia. By creating market forces to favor the green economy, Obama created solutions that cannot easily be reversed by future administrations.

3. Obamacare. Historical attempts to reform health care were killed by industry pressure (and industry had only grown more powerful) and Republican opposition (and Republicans were more united than ever). But Obama still managed to pass health reform, and was willing to take the chance, acting against the recommendations of his political advisers and knowing well that it would hurt him politically. The final law is far from perfect, but at least it's something. It's moving in the right direction. We have forever to get it right. But we have to start. And starting that process had been politically impossible prior to Obama.

4. Asia pivot and use of smart power. Obama radically shifted our foreign policy. People can complain all they like about Libia, Syria, and drones, but it's difficult to imagine the US being in much of a better position in a post Arab Spring scenario.

5. Paris climate agreement. Obama's strong delegation of China, resulting in the landmark US and China agreement was a strong signal that he was playing for the long game: International cooperation. By supporting the right combination of domestic energy policies, he was able to demonstrate decreasing CO2 emissions and economic growth. Bring developed countries to the table and demonstrating potential for growth during cutting CO2 emissions was critical for Paris. Obama gets huge credit there.

6. Iran. I mean, seriously. He forged a strong, verification-based deal with Iran. This is a big deal. And it wasn't easy. Even if it doesn't work in the end, it's a hell of an accomplishment, and it's exactly the type of diplomacy we should expect of all our leaders.

7. Cuba. It's about *********** time.

8. Generally being a genuine, well-read, well-intentioned, thoughtful president who has been able to keep himself away from stupid **** and scandals. Even while facing historical Republican opposition.

There's more. But I don't have time.
 
Given that Bush screwed up literally everything he got involved with, Obama looks absolutely perfect in comparison.
 
I will say this.

Every president has had successes.
Every President has had failures.

This is normal.

Successes general outnumber the failures.

To focus on just the successes, or just the failures shows that one is a blind partisan hack.

I doubt that any conservative on this board could *genuinely* name any success, or good thing that President Obama has accomplished.
 
I will say this.

Every president has had successes.
Every President has had failures.

This is normal.

Successes general outnumber the failures.

To focus on just the successes, or just the failures shows that one is a blind partisan hack.

I doubt that any conservative on this board could *genuinely* name any success, or good thing that President Obama has accomplished.

Obama signed the repeal of most of "No Child Left Behind" which was a horrible law. I wish it would have been done earlier, but at least it got done.
 
Obama put a stop to the US committing war crimes through the use of torture.

Did he? How would you know when the press shows no interest in investigating what his administration does? Like so many things Obama has been given credit for, it was mostly just talk.
 
Did he? How would you know when the press shows no interest in investigating what his administration does? Like so many things Obama has been given credit for, it was mostly just talk.

He issued an executive order. The CT section is that'away ----->
 

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