General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[LemmyCaution]

Could you tell us which German city has been hit by Allied air strikes before the bombing of Rotterdam? Any idea of the casualties figures if such a bombing occurred between 3rd September 1939 and 14 May 1940?

If I remember well German air strikes on Warsaw did also take place as from 8 September 1939 and in particular on 25 September 1939. Do you have information about Allied air strikes against German cities before 8 September 1939? And if you have this information you must of course have information about the German casualties figures. I have no doubt that you will be able to provide us with this valuable information. Taken from reliables sources of course...

Warsaw was the major bombing action I was thinking of when I asked him to explain . . .

 

[Degeneve]

The point was McCarthy took a case that would not make him popular because he defended Germans. Some people have a sense of ethics and McCarthy did.

I fact McCarthy had been elected as Senator in Wisconsin, a State with a significant part of the population being of German heritage. He just hoped that this defense - which led nowhere - would help him to gather ballots at the next election. Ethic has nothing to do with this.

By the way you forgot to answer to my question: if the Germans were not the culprits for the massacre of 70 Americans POWs in Malmedy, who then were the perpetrators?

John Adams did also. Obviously your information on McCarthy is very scant, do your homework....I don't want to embarrass you.....
Jim Trafficant was another man of integrity, he defended a man falsy accused of being a German guard that the Jews were out for blood to get. Trafficant basically destroyed his political career because the Jews, as always, came after him viciously....They like to do that. The Jews have no conscience towards being reputable and honorable sometimes. They'll defend murderers like Leo Frank, Jew, or spy's like Jonathan Pollard, scumbags to say the least. The Jews defended these people big time, even making Jonathan Pollard a hero in Israel. Of course he was responsible for probably hundreds of American agents deaths...Thank you Jews... I know I know, Trafficant went to jail...so did the Apostle Paul....

And another anti-Semitic rant with no proof, as usual.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

I didn't say that gas came through water pipes. Stop using strawman arguments.

His argument is a complete non sequitur to begin with given there's no reason gas couldn't flow through a pipe that had water in it at some point previously.

 

[Hans]

A lot....The allies took vengeance on the Germans first. It was known that in the civility of war NO CIVILIANS would be bombed. That didn't happen with the Germans. The allies BOMBED civilians in Germany FIRST. Germany sat back and had a lot of patience and then when enough was enough Germany retaliated. YOU and other misinformed historians ONLY look at the retaliation of Germany and make the whole world think the Germans were the monsters. Nice try....Remember history is told by the ones that won.

Germans can write any history they want about WWII. I have read many accounts of the war by Veterans.

Germans were bombing civilians in Spain prior to the war and attack Polish cities when they attack Poland. I would recommend you read about the air assaults on Warsaw and later Rotterdam along with Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotterdam_Blitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Warsaw_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

German propaganda film about the bombing of Rotterdam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LC1-s_B2Ac

Your understanding of WWII history appears to highly distorted.

 

[Degeneve]

Warsaw was the major bombing action I was thinking of when I asked him to explain . . .

I did not want to evoke Guernica as this took place before WW II but this also belongs to the well recorded and documented bombings of civilians by the German Luftwaffe.

 

[abaddon]

Thank you, at last some sensible, decent words about Majdanek.

Apologies. I didn't mean to inject at least some sanity into the discussion.

 

[abaddon]

Something tells me I used the term "true Christians" no? I already told you most of Christianity to me is apostate, wrong so saying "Christian" to me means nothing because their actions and evil are no different that the Jews....

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All christians are wrong.

 

[abaddon]

Something tells me I used the term "true Christians" no? I already told you most of Christianity to me is apostate, wrong so saying "Christian" to me means nothing because their actions and evil are no different that the Jews....

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What exactly is a "true christian"?

 

[LemmyCaution]

His argument is a complete non sequitur to begin with given there's no reason gas couldn't flow through a pipe that had water in it at some point previously.

Agreed, that makes sense. I think he is riffing off a Hunt "slogan" derived from prisoners' expectations of being gassed through showerheads and being relieved when water flowed in the shower rooms. Hunt mocks the fearful survivors using their testimonies about this relief they felt. The whole thing is just . . . stupid from every angle.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I did not want to evoke Guernica as this took place before WW II but this also belongs to the well recorded and documented bombings of civilians by the German Luftwaffe.

Exactly, and judging from HDenier's last post on this he would like to make an exception for - vigorously applaud? - German war crimes and crimes against humanity in the East, committed against the civilian population of the Soviet Union and countries it had occupied and incorporated, as well as against soldiers from the Soviet Union - on account of the USSR being ruled by Stalinists. This reasoning mirrors that of the Nazi leadership. Here is where the IMT was spot on in finding guilty verdicts against leading perpetrators of these crimes.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Apologies. I didn't mean to inject at least some sanity into the discussion.

It does kind of interrupt the flow, but so be it.

 

[Degeneve]

Show us how this happened.

I assumes he alludes to the anti-nazi boycott of 1933 and the article published in the Daily Express under the title "Judea declares war on Germany".

Unfortunately the first Attack against the German Jews had already taken place and, furthermore, Hitler anti-Semitic stance was clearly known by the time.

In fact this is Nothing else than another of the usual deniers "arguments".

 

[threadworm]

I assumes he alludes to the anti-nazi boycott of 1933 and the article published in the Daily Express under the title "Judea declares war on Germany".

Unfortunately the first Attack against the German Jews had already taken place and, furthermore, Hitler anti-Semitic stance was clearly known by the time.

In fact this is Nothing else than another of the usual deniers "arguments".

Yeah a bunch of them threatened to slaughter millions of Germans by not buying things from their shops.

 

[LSSBB]

The contract with one provider says they are not to CENSOR.

Contractual obligations are not a free speech issue. If you have met all relevant terms & conditions you signed up to, and they violated terms of the contract, that is a lawsuit matter for you. They have no constitutional obligations to offer such to you contractually.

 

[Andy_Ross]

What exactly is a "true christian"?

They put salt under their kilts.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I assumes he alludes to the anti-nazi boycott of 1933 and the article published in the Daily Express under the title "Judea declares war on Germany".

Yeah, my guess as well. But I didn't want to, er, assume anything though. This canard is hopeless, as described here.

Unfortunately the first Attack against the German Jews had already taken place and, furthermore, Hitler anti-Semitic stance was clearly known by the time.

In fact this is Nothing else than another of the usual deniers "arguments".

Even Goebbels in his diary recounts joyfully his participation in a March 1927 attack on a Jew by armed SA men, following their assault on "Reds" at Lictherfelde-Ost station, when they returned to Berlin that night. "Our brave lads hauled a Jew out of a bus. How I love these kids! We are creating an uproar all over Berlin." During 1931-1933 Nazi bands enjoyed rioting against Jews on Berlin's Kurfürstendamm. So used to Nazi predations were Germany's Jews that by 1933, when Hitler assumed power, already Victor Klemperer was writing of his well-founded fears. The March 1933 declaration of war - which was in reality a hyperbolic and metaphorical news article on a boycott - is a total failure as a serious historical point.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Yeah a bunch of them threatened to slaughter millions of Germans by not buying things from their shops.

For decades I've been trying to discover the identity of the Jew Premier at the time as well as looking for information on the Jewish military in 1933, its arms, size, weaponry, maneuvers, and executed threats against Germany.

 

[The Atheist]

For decades I've been trying to discover the identity of the Jew Premier at the time as well as looking for information on the Jewish military in 1933, its arms, size, weaponry, maneuvers, and executed threats against Germany.

Now you're being silly. They were much more devious than that and let other people fight their physical battles for them.

You know what's funniest about Holocaust Denial?

The propagators of denial are antisemitic by nature. If they were true to their Fuhrer they'd be revelling in the fact that the Nazis murdered millions of them. Denying it is a slap in the face to Adolf, as well as a direct admission that Jews are superior to them.

 

[Hans]

For decades I've been trying to discover the identity of the Jew Premier at the time as well as looking for information on the Jewish military in 1933, its arms, size, weaponry, maneuvers, and executed threats against Germany.

I once saw a denier point to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

In 1939 it had almost 18,000 people and was only 10,000 miles from Germany - they were obviously VERY dangerous.

 

[Magrat]

Are you serious....Have you looked at Krema 1 in Auschwitz?
Boy, you are even more gone and unaware of things that I thought.
Plenty of pictures of what a big open unsealable room is, must be that wooden door and glass pane window that gives it away....and lets not forget those windows in the crematorium....LOL

JR

You're aware that exterminators seal entire houses -doors and windows included- all the time?