General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[HDenier]

Are you gong to suicide by mod too because people supposedly "Can't handle the truth" too?

I am basking in smiles in this forum. I have been vindicated many times....you can ASSUME that..lol...

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[LemmyCaution]

Ok, I'm responding, the holocaust is a fraud, if it wasn't you wouldn't have the nonsense of Jews to soap, Jews to lampshades, to wallets, to ashtrays. Real historical facts don't need these lies to back it up...the foundation of the holohax is these LIES.

The foundation of the Holocaust, however, is not what you keep posting about.

Some of these lies put people in jail or to their deaths.

Who is in prison over "these lies" - or dead?

Re read that Danzig Soap Article.

So now you just contradicted yourself: Joachim Neander wrote the article on soap, describing the soap charges as a myth, a kind of urban legend. But Neander, who lives in Europe, where according to you it is criminal to write such things, has not been charged with any crimes and is not in jail. How is that so?

That infomation worked on the emotions of the audience and the judges to later be used to hang people...

Which defendants were hanged for "Jewish soap"?

thank you all for that Denzig Soap artilce, it was so good I printed it out. IT PROVES EVERYTHING the revisionist have been saying about the falsity of the soap story....

First, you present yourself as being well versed and having something to tell us - about soap etc. Yet Neander's article was published in 2006 - a decade ago and is news to you? Good grief.

Second, if this article proves "everything" deniers have been saying, why didn't a denier write it? It took someone who actually knows how to research and write an explanation to do so. Not really very good for the revisionist cause, I'd have to say.

Last, why do you imagine Neander wrote the paper on soap?

 

[LemmyCaution]

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Edited to remove reference to moderated content, and to remove content more suited to the forum management feedback forum.

Do not discuss forum management and moderation issues outside of FMF

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Still no clue what you're talking about, you are quoting a post from Hans?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Have any of you read any of the 40 books the revisionist put out debunking all your nonsense? Probably not one..We have the whole library....some people are just blessed....
http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

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Yes . . . but how is your replying to my post with this question in any way relevant to what I posted?

 

[fagin]

He we go with the hate hate hate for having an opinion...

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Are you arguing with yourself now?

That could be worrying...

 

[HDenier]

No, I cited a report from the camp underground.


False, I actually have an "idea" why the 23 men were shot.


No, I tried understanding a piece of evidence in the context of other evidence.


Why am I not surprised?


Of course you don't. But you failed to answer what I asked you about the evidence and situation.


I didn't try to "prove" the 23 men were shot.


Do you seriously imagine that Majdanek was like an American prison? That "tiny" issue aside, can you cite for members of the forum a single case of 23 prisoners in a work gang in an American prison being executed on the spot for having committed a mass rape? Do you approve of mass executions on the spot in prisons?


You can assume anything you wish. Without evidence for what you assume, don't expect many people to agree with you.


I have evidence that can be most reasonably interpreted to say that the 23 men were shot to rotate SK crews. I asked if you had a better, evidence-based explanation. As you won't give one, I assume you have none or realize that what you think is absurd.


Because a secret organization inside the camp carried out secret intelligence work and reported on it. That is apparent from what I have explained. It is not that the Germans didn't care if people knew what was going on; it is that the underground worked to discover what the Germans were doing and was sometimes successful in doing so.


As secrets sometimes do. Your logic is like saying that the Engima machine ciphers never existed because the British cracked them!


Enjoying myself too much in this conversation to move along just now, in all honesty.

Great now we have "secret intelligence" telling us about another "secret shooting" that we can all assume was done because the holohoaxers said it was done, without proof why it was done...hmmmm ok...lol...next...how about this:

Your ASSUMPTIONS are complete nonsense....these people shot belonged to families that had people who knew them so that mean's they would have to be shot and then people that knew them, they would have to be shot to finally the whole camp would have to be shot.......now, I believe that, thanks for the clarity..lol....oh, then the shooters would need to be shot, then their shooters and their shooters, then everybody would be dead, the war would be over...

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[HDenier]

I've looked at the post you were replying to, and it seems within bounds. If you disagree, report it. And being treated with contempt doesn't indicate that people can't handle the "truth", obviously. You've posts represent a steady stream of non-stop personal insults- is that because you can't handle the truth?

Your fantasist denial of an historical event is motivated by ethnic hatred, not on any rational analysis. You believe the Earth might be a flat disc... you're not rational.

That's your ASSUMPTION....not mine...

No, I cited a report from the camp underground.


False, I actually have an "idea" why the 23 men were shot.


No, I tried understanding a piece of evidence in the context of other evidence.


Why am I not surprised?


Of course you don't. But you failed to answer what I asked you about the evidence and situation.


I didn't try to "prove" the 23 men were shot.


Do you seriously imagine that Majdanek was like an American prison? That "tiny" issue aside, can you cite for members of the forum a single case of 23 prisoners in a work gang in an American prison being executed on the spot for having committed a mass rape? Do you approve of mass executions on the spot in prisons?


You can assume anything you wish. Without evidence for what you assume, don't expect many people to agree with you.


I have evidence that can be most reasonably interpreted to say that the 23 men were shot to rotate SK crews. I asked if you had a better, evidence-based explanation. As you won't give one, I assume you have none or realize that what you think is absurd.


Because a secret organization inside the camp carried out secret intelligence work and reported on it. That is apparent from what I have explained. It is not that the Germans didn't care if people knew what was going on; it is that the underground worked to discover what the Germans were doing and was sometimes successful in doing so.


As secrets sometimes do. Your logic is like saying that the Engima machine ciphers never existed because the British cracked them!


Enjoying myself too much in this conversation to move along just now, in all honesty.

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[HDenier]

The foundation of the Holocaust, however, is not what you keep posting about.


Who is in prison over "these lies" - or dead?


So now you just contradicted yourself: Joachim Neander wrote the article on soap, describing the soap charges as a myth, a kind of urban legend. But Neander, who lives in Europe, where according to you it is criminal to write such things, has not been charged with any crimes and is not in jail. How is that so?


Which defendants were hanged for "Jewish soap"?


First, you present yourself as being well versed and having something to tell us - about soap etc. Yet Neander's article was published in 2006 - a decade ago and is news to you? Good grief.

Second, if this article proves "everything" deniers have been saying, why didn't a denier write it? It took someone who actually knows how to research and write an explanation to do so. Not really very good for the revisionist cause, I'd have to say.

Last, why do you imagine Neander wrote the paper on soap?

For the "cretins" he mentions in his article.....didn't you read the article, he called them the "true believers" and the "useful cretins" Apparently the soap legends embarrassed the holohoax community to the point where they had to fix this embarrssment. OF COURSE this gave the revisionist a great compliment.....yet the Ushmm still has the soap in its links to show the public... how great is that?...the soap story is still being holohauxtered to the school kids as Jewish propaganda war stories....these people should be in jail.....

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[HDenier]

Re read the soap article. The total evidence was used to convict these persons, the soap story had a major impact on their decisions.....

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[HDenier]

The soap article mentions on the first printed out page this:
The "soap allegations were presented at court and also mentioned in the judgement".......
So yes you holohoaxers keeping the lies flowing have been responsible for these lies to be mentioned in court jugments...shame on all of you....

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[Andy_Ross]

People can believe whatever they want, but it's disagreeing with the Holocaust that lands one in jail in Europe

I am in Europe, I can say what I want about the Holocaust without fear of jail or even arrest.

 

[Hans]

Sure those people matter, any of them talk about gas chambers?

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So you avoided my question

Question repeated:

I do have questions like why do the deniers ignore all the non Jews killed by the Nazis?

Soviet civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)

Soviet prisoners of war: around 3 million (including about 50,000 Jewish soldiers)

Non-Jewish Polish civilians: around 1.8 million (including between 50,000 and 100,000 members of the Polish elites)

Serb civilians (on the territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina): 312,000

People with disabilities living in institutions: up to 250,000

Roma (Gypsies): 196,000–220,000

Jehovah's Witnesses: Around 1,900

Repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials: at least 70,000

German political opponents and resistance activists in Axis-occupied territory: undetermined

Homosexuals: hundreds, possibly thousands (possibly also counted in part under the 70,000 repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials noted above)

Why do these people not matter to the deniers?

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article...uleId=10008193

There you go - try again - would you like some help? lol

 

[LemmyCaution]

Great now we have "secret intelligence" telling us about another "secret shooting" that we can all assume was done because the holohoaxers said it was done,

Again, a secret camp underground organization, with ties to the Polish underground, made this report - not "the holohoaxers."

Still not ready or able to tell us how you interpret the evidence about the Majdanek SK? Tick tock, tick tock . . .

Remember: you said that the claim that the SK members were murdered is a "stupid lie." Do you know what a lie is? I ask because I've shown you a camp underground document that mentions such a murder. You have shown us nothing - instead you've tried to compare a German KL to an American prison, a false analogy in many ways, and you've engaged in wild speculation about a rape and murder spree. That's it - vs an the evidence-based hypothesis I've shared.

You keep missing the point of this document: the point was that when we have a contemporary document discussing the murder of Sonderkommando members, for us to discuss such murders is not, whatever else, a "stupid lie." See.

Your ASSUMPTIONS are complete nonsense...

Keep telling yourself that. It is all you have - empty charges.

these people shot belonged to families that had people who knew them so that mean's they would have to be shot and then people that knew them, they would have to be shot to finally the whole camp would have to be shot.

More speculation - unless you will now tell us about the people who were shot and their families and how the Germans cared about the families and what they thought, if they were still alive. Well, in fact, on 3 November 1943, nearly every Jew in the camp was shot . . . so that kind of leaves you in a quandary, doesn't it?

oh, then the shooters would need to be shot, then their shooters and their shooters, then everybody would be dead, the war would be over...

Well, not the shooters, because they were in the SS and not exactly concerned about the fate of the Jewish SK members . . . so your nutty chain stops there.

 

[Jeffk 1970]

Majdanek

HD does not know what Majdanek is.

 

[Jeffk 1970]

Hoax Conspiracy

I'm still waiting for HD to explain how this whole thing worked and why anyone bothered to come up with Holocaust "hoax" to begin with.

 

[LemmyCaution]

For the "cretins" he mentions in his article.....didn't you read the article, he called them the "true believers" and the "useful cretins" Apparently the soap legends embarrassed the holohoax community to the point where they had to fix this embarrssment. OF COURSE this gave the revisionist a great compliment.....yet the Ushmm still has the soap in its links to show the public... how great is that?...the soap story is still being holohauxtered to the school kids as Jewish propaganda war stories....these people should be in jail.....

It is rather you whose reading comprehension is addled:

Nevertheless, a world-wide community of "true believers" in the "Soap Legend" does exist, as hundreds of Web sites show, from Patagonia to Manitoba, from
California to Siberia.2

Unwittingly, those "true believers" play the role of "useful cretins" for the
likewise worldwide net of Holocaust deniers, allowing them to speak, not without good reason, of the ubiquity and topicality of the Soap Legend. Operating at the fringes of scholarship, those self-appointed "Historical Revisionists" exploit the easy debunking of the RIF" Soap legend to cast doubt on the very existence of the Holocaust itself. . . . a well-documented historical event such as the Holocaust cannot be discredited by disproving a marginal topic like the alleged manufacture of soap from the victims' bodies.

You, my friend, seem to want be in the role of "Holocaust deniers . . . operating at the fringes of scholarship." In any event, he has nailed your approach: the effort to take a marginal topic to disprove the Holocaust, and he has told you how futile is your effort.

The non-revisionist members of this forum, from what I've read, would agree with Neander's conclusions: that Jewish soap is not, as it has been discussed by some - in quotation marks - "true believers," so all your repetitious fulmination about soap is lost in here.

Indeed, like other historical periods, misunderstandings of the Holocaust exist. Shocking news.

Again, why do you suppose Neander researched this topic and wrote about it?

 

[LemmyCaution]

The soap article mentions on the first printed out page this:
The "soap allegations were presented at court and also mentioned in the judgement".......
So yes you holohoaxers keeping the lies flowing have been responsible for these lies to be mentioned in court jugments...shame on all of you....

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Please quote Neander accurately. We've caught you pulling this with Gringauz.

Here is what Neander wrote:

Their preferred target is the trial of the major war criminals at Nuremberg, where soap allegations were presented at court and also mentioned in the judgment, though cautiously and most probably without considerable effect on its tenor.

This conclusion, which you've already signed onto with your approving posts, is diametrically at odds with your earlier claims.

In fact, here is what the IMT judgment says:

After the cremation the ashes were used for fertilizer, and in some instances attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of the victims in the commercial manufacture of soap.

As Neander indicates, the tribunal was cautious indeed: "in some instances attempts were made."

 

[LemmyCaution]

HD does not know what Majdanek is.

That has been evident.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I'm still waiting for HD to explain how this whole thing worked and why anyone bothered to come up with Holocaust "hoax" to begin with.

I cannot keep track of the many questions HDenier has failed to respond to from various forum members, although I do recall yours - and wish he'd get busy with his answer.

 

[HDenier]

Just to show you holohoaxers that the Jew to soap is being propangandered in the schools to our innocent children, watch this video.The holohoaxer should go to jail for lying...apparently this holohoax liar didn't read the Danzig Soap case article.....which prove to me that most of the Jews are reading from the same book of nonsense. Watching this holocauster liar talk bout the Jewish soap is an embarrassment, it should be for you all too....

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Removed youtube link as it appears to be a video featuring a currently suspended member. Please do not post on behalf of suspended posters; JimRizoli is aware of the steps he needs to take to get his administrative suspension lifted and he may not circumvent his suspension by having other posters present his views.

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