General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Well, I have no idea what you're talking about. But, no, I have no goal for you, no hidden anger. I am quite content to keep refuting your malarkey.
 
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Most of the holohoax narrative is based on assumption. I have photos of a women pushing a baby carriage, the statement under its says she's going to the gas chambers, oh really, quite an ASSUMPTION......the early hoax pictures with the shrunken heads, the lampshades, the ashtray, ALL ASSUMPTIONS for the liars of the holohoax narrative. You people recommend books to read, which is great, but when I see a title that mentions the "final solution" or some nonsense like that then that book is trash. If a book ask a question on whether there was a final solution that would be a fairer book it seems. My point of view on this list is as a true skeptic. Most of you are trying to push the whole holohax narrative and you are doing a good job. I read the who article about the soap, and again the article is totally in agreement with us revisionist that we have been saying for years. The article even goes to the point and mentions that those who believed in the soap nonsense were "useful cretins"...apparently that could go for a lot more beliefs of the holohoaxers. This has helped me immensely in standing firm in my beliefs that the holohoax narrative is a product of "useful cretins" being used to push their ASSUMPTIONS upon all of us even as these assumptions are truly what Gringauz said...."preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration".....

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But the resistance document also states that 23 members of the Sonderkommando (workers in the bathhouses and cremations) were shot - that's not an assumption. What's an assumption is the reason for the shooting of these workers.

Point 1. You were wrong to post that discussion of the murder of Sonderkommando members is a "stupid lie"; here's a document that reports "in real time" one such mass shooting.
Point 2. You have no basis to say that it is a "stupid lie" to say that the Sonderkommando members were shot to get rid of witnesses - only your belief; whereas I have a document from people close to the event and familiar with the camp making such an assumption.
Those are only assumptions.....you have no idea why they were shot...you only assumed why...nice try...and yes the assumption you make is to me a stupid lie, I don't have to apologize, you didn't prove why they were shot. People are killed in American prisons for reasons when the legal system works against murders and rapist. I can ASSUME then these people shot were murders and rapist. I have no proof though, just like you, you have no proof why they were shot....if those people suppossedly shot were shot to hide the fact of the gassings, again, another stupid lie assumtion, then why do we know of this situation in the first place? Apparently the secret got out..lol.....but anyway nice try again with the "assumption" nonsense.. any other nonsense you want to show me?

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Most of the holohoax narrative is based on assumption. I have photos of a women pushing a baby carriage, the statement under its says she's going to the gas chambers, oh really, quite an ASSUMPTION......the early hoax pictures with the shrunken heads, the lampshades, the ashtray, ALL ASSUMPTIONS for the liars of the holohoax narrative. You people recommend books to read, which is great, but when I see a title that mentions the "final solution" or some nonsense like that then that book is trash. If a book ask a question on whether there was a final solution that would be a fairer book it seems. My point of view on this list is as a true skeptic. Most of you are trying to push the whole holohax narrative and you are doing a good job. I read the who article about the soap, and again the article is totally in agreement with us revisionist that we have been saying for years. The article even goes to the point and mentions that those who believed in the soap nonsense were "useful cretins"...apparently that could go for a lot more beliefs of the holohoaxers. This has helped me immensely in standing firm in my beliefs that the holohoax narrative is a product of "useful cretins" being used to push their ASSUMPTIONS upon all of us even as these assumptions are truly what Gringauz said...."preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration".....


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I've seen better, try harder , so boring.
 
Most of the holohoax narrative is based on assumption. I have photos of a women pushing a baby carriage, the statement under its says she's going to the gas chambers, oh really, quite an ASSUMPTION......
Photographs need to have context and explanation, such as provenance, to be useful in understanding events, and also related documentation, which is why you have nothing to say about the Liepaja and Ponary photos we've shown, because we have other information about what happened and what they show.

the shrunken heads
Said to be made from Polish prisoners at Buchenwald, not Jews, not related to the Holocaust.

You people recommend books to read, which is great, but when I see a title that mentions the "final solution" or some nonsense like that then that book is trash.
Well, that's an open mind for you . . .

If a book ask a question on whether there was a final solution that would be a fairer book it seems.
Problem is that the research has been done, conclusions have been drawn from it - and, sadly for you, a lot of the most basic questions you keep raising have been answered. Until someone gives a good reason to question further. You haven't. You repeat issues long since dealt with.

I read the who article about the soap, and again the article is totally in agreement with us revisionist that we have been saying for years. The article even goes to the point and mentions that those who believed in the soap nonsense were "useful cretins"...apparently that could go for a lot more beliefs of the holohoaxers. This has helped me immensely in standing firm in my beliefs that the holohoax narrative is a product of "useful cretins" being used to push their ASSUMPTIONS upon all of us
Sadly for you, the model methodology and approach used by Joachim Neander in that article have led him to write about the Final Solution. For those interested, Neander has written also about the camp system, particularly Dora-Mittelbau, and his dissertation is quoted in recent work on that camp.

what Gringauz said...."preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration".....
I won't bother to keep pointing out what you always ignore about Gringauz. Anyone reading the thread knows by now.
 
False.

Not all European countries have law about it, and not all cases would land you in prison.



People claiming the Holocaust was a lie does enrage people. It enrages people because the claim is a lie propagated by racist nazi apologists who want their fair share of dead Jews. It is not the only topic that enrages people. For example I get equally offended by homophobes, creationists, morons claiming we didn't go to the moon, flat earth idiots, drooling flatheads telling lies about 9/11, all sorts of stuff



Got proof of that?

No-one is paying me to call people nazi apologists and point out their lies and hypocrisy. I do it for fun. Go ahead and find my paymaster, call me a liar, make my day.

A lot of people here were members long before you showed up and started stirring the pot. Given that you seem to make money out of your campaign of hate and that there seems to be an organised campaign between you and your other trolls from the same town, that smacks of extreme hypocrisy.



You're still here. I won't cry any tears if you get banned, and if you do get banned it won't be because of your offensive racist argument, and anti-Semitic filth, it will be because you didn't obey the forum rules.



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Skepticism does not automatically invalidate the claim about which you are skeptical. You are skeptical of the holocaust. We are skeptical about your claims. That's how it works. You discuss the relative merits of your argument. Your argument seems mostly to involve gloating over dead Jews and at the same time denying there were any. Asking a question about something does not automatically mean that the answer you want is right, it means you want to know the answer.

Pointing out your fallacies, falsehoods and the errors in your gratuitously offensive world view isn't anyone's job here - it's a duty and a pleasure.
Look at the hatefull post against me, look at the terms you use. You people can't handle the truth and now attack me with Insults.....nice, how old are you?

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Look at the hatefull post against me, look at the terms you use. You people can't handle the truth and now attack me with Insults.....nice, how old are you?

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Are you gong to suicide by mod too because people supposedly "Can't handle the truth" too?
 
The word "assumption" wasn't here used in a court of law but in a historical document - created at the time.


No it wouldn't, because it isn't hearsay.


But not that these 23 people were shot: "On 21.9.43 at 18 o'clock 23 persons were shot in Majdanek, personnel of the bath and the crematorium."

No assumption, just a statement of what happened.

Then, as I wrote, what follows is an assumption made by the camp resistance:
By the way, how do you actually interpret this document? What do you think happened?
I don't care what happened, you need to prove it. Assumptions don't prove facts they only prove the viewpoint of the writers to get fools to believe what they say...

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Those are only assumptions
No, I cited a report from the camp underground.

you have no idea why they were shot
False, I actually have an "idea" why the 23 men were shot.

you only assumed why...
No, I tried understanding a piece of evidence in the context of other evidence.

and yes the assumption you make is to me a stupid lie
Why am I not surprised?

I don't have to apologize
Of course you don't. But you failed to answer what I asked you about the evidence and situation.

you didn't prove why they were shot.
I didn't try to "prove" the 23 men were shot.

People are killed in American prisons for reasons when the legal system works against murders and rapist.
Do you seriously imagine that Majdanek was like an American prison? That "tiny" issue aside, can you cite for members of the forum a single case of 23 prisoners in a work gang in an American prison being executed on the spot for having committed a mass rape? Do you approve of mass executions on the spot in prisons?

I can ASSUME then these people shot were murders and rapist. I have no proof though
You can assume anything you wish. Without evidence for what you assume, don't expect many people to agree with you.

just like you, you have no proof why they were shot
I have evidence that can be most reasonably interpreted to say that the 23 men were shot to rotate SK crews. I asked if you had a better, evidence-based explanation. As you won't give one, I assume you have none or realize that what you think is absurd.

if those people suppossedly shot were shot to hide the fact of the gassings, again, another stupid lie assumtion, then why do we know of this situation in the first place?
Because a secret organization inside the camp carried out secret intelligence work and reported on it. That is apparent from what I have explained. It is not that the Germans didn't care if people knew what was going on; it is that the underground worked to discover what the Germans were doing and was sometimes successful in doing so.

Apparently the secret got out..lol.....
As secrets sometimes do. Your logic is like saying that the Engima machine ciphers never existed because the British cracked them!

but anyway nice try again with the "assumption" nonsense.. any other nonsense you want to show me?
Enjoying myself too much in this conversation to move along just now, in all honesty.
 
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It's because it wasn't done when it could have saved the lives of millions.

And your evidence for anyone getting paid to post here is....?

Good grief, there's 8 billion+ people on this planet and the only thing you can think of as a reason anyone would oppose your idiocy is because they get paid to do so speaks more to your shortcomings as a human being than it does to anyone else's motivations.

You're free to speak and everyone else is free to call you on the idiotic crap you say.

An internet forum is much like a persons living room. If you came into my house acting as you do here I'd show you the door and lock it behind you...but you wouldn't be denied free speech by my doing that.

Dismissing the Holocaust doesn't make you a skeptic. In fact the garbage you've spewed here and your inability to respond to what others have posted to counter your ignorant rants make you a fool, not a skeptic.

Applying your logic would result in people disbelieving the earth is round, 911 was a terrorist attack by ideologically driven Muslims and all manor of failed conspiracies...because according to you, that's what skepticism really is.
Ok, I'm responding, the holocaust is a fraud, if it wasn't you wouldn't have the nonsense of Jews to soap, Jews to lampshades, to wallets, to ashtrays. Real historical facts don't need these lies to back it up...the foundation of the holohax is these LIES. Some of these lies put people in jail or to their deaths. Re read that Danzig Soap Article. The soap I formation was used in the Nuremberg trials. That infomation worked on the emotions of the audience and the judges to later be used to hang people...shame, shame, shame, oh, by the way, thank you all for that Denzig Soap artilce, it was so good I printed it out. IT PROVES EVERYTHING the revisionist have been saying about the falsity of the soap story....Being in this forum has helped me immensely, thank you, thank you, thank you....

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False.

Not all European countries have law about it, and not all cases would land you in prison.



People claiming the Holocaust was a lie does enrage people. It enrages people because the claim is a lie propagated by racist nazi apologists who want their fair share of dead Jews. It is not the only topic that enrages people. For example I get equally offended by homophobes, creationists, morons claiming we didn't go to the moon, flat earth idiots, drooling flatheads telling lies about 9/11, all sorts of stuff



Got proof of that?

No-one is paying me to call people nazi apologists and point out their lies and hypocrisy. I do it for fun. Go ahead and find my paymaster, call me a liar, make my day.

A lot of people here were members long before you showed up and started stirring the pot. Given that you seem to make money out of your campaign of hate and that there seems to be an organised campaign between you and your other trolls from the same town, that smacks of extreme hypocrisy.



You're still here. I won't cry any tears if you get banned, and if you do get banned it won't be because of your offensive racist argument, and anti-Semitic filth, it will be because you didn't obey the forum rules.



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Skepticism does not automatically invalidate the claim about which you are skeptical. You are skeptical of the holocaust. We are skeptical about your claims. That's how it works. You discuss the relative merits of your argument. Your argument seems mostly to involve gloating over dead Jews and at the same time denying there were any. Asking a question about something does not automatically mean that the answer you want is right, it means you want to know the answer.

Pointing out your fallacies, falsehoods and the errors in your gratuitously offensive world view isn't anyone's job here - it's a duty and a pleasure.
Are you a holocaust skeptic, yes or no? If not then you are in the wrong forum...

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HDenier you asked me what I questioned - I answered your query but you didn't respond to mine - here it is again, in case you forgot. If you 'forget' again I'll repeat it.



There you go. lol
Sure those people matter, any of them talk about gas chambers?

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Look at the hatefull post against me, look at the terms you use. You people can't handle the truth and now attack me with Insults.....nice, how old are you?

I've looked at the post you were replying to, and it seems within bounds. If you disagree, report it. And being treated with contempt doesn't indicate that people can't handle the "truth", obviously. You've posts represent a steady stream of non-stop personal insults- is that because you can't handle the truth?

Your fantasist denial of an historical event is motivated by ethnic hatred, not on any rational analysis. You believe the Earth might be a flat disc... you're not rational.
 
Are you a holocaust skeptic, yes or no? If not then you are in the wrong forum...

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I want you to respond to me on how this "hoax" works.

If the Holocaust is a "hoax" then it took thousands of people to make it work, coordination between the heads of Great Britain, the US, USSR with the assistance of the secondary countries in Europe, it needed the agreements of those countries to hide the missing Jews and it needed all this to be done with no leaks in the past 71 years.

How is this possible?

Where is the proof?
 
Sure those people matter, any of them talk about gas chambers?

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Are you a holocaust skeptic, yes or no? If not then you are in the wrong forum...

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I want you to respond to me on how this "hoax" works.

If the Holocaust is a "hoax" then it took thousands of people to make it work, coordination between the heads of Great Britain, the US, USSR with the assistance of the secondary countries in Europe, it needed the agreements of those countries to hide the missing Jews and it needed all this to be done with no leaks in the past 71 years.

How is this possible?

Where is the proof?
 
That Ushmm document continues to spew misformation and lies, 6 million Jews?....keep dreaming.....I am "skeptical" of that and a host of other figures of nonsense Those are only assumptions....you people love those numbers with a lot of zeroes after them....you contine to use links that empower my cause not yours...Gringauz where are you on this? Lol....

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Well, I have no idea what you're talking about. But, no, I have no goal for you, no hidden anger. I am quite content to keep refuting your malarkey.
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HDenier you asked me what I questioned - I answered your query but you didn't respond to mine - here it is again, in case you forgot. If you 'forget' again I'll repeat it.



There you go. lol


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Photographs need to have context and explanation, such as provenance, to be useful in understanding events, and also related documentation, which is why you have nothing to say about the Liepaja and Ponary photos we've shown, because we have other information about what happened and what they show.


Said to be made from Polish prisoners at Buchenwald, not Jews, not related to the Holocaust.


Well, that's an open mind for you . . .


Problem is that the research has been done, conclusions have been drawn from it - and, sadly for you, a lot of the most basic questions you keep raising have been answered. Until someone gives a good reason to question further. You haven't. You repeat issues long since dealt with.


Sadly for you, the model methodology and approach used by Joachim Neander in that article have led him to write about the Final Solution. For those interested, Neander has written also about the camp system, particularly Dora-Mittelbau, and his dissertation is quoted in recent work on that camp.


I won't bother to keep pointing out what you always ignore about Gringauz. Anyone reading the thread knows by now.
Have any of you read any of the 40 books the revisionist put out debunking all your nonsense? Probably not one..We have the whole library....some people are just blessed....
http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

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Look at the hatefull post against me, look at the terms you use. You people can't handle the truth and now attack me with Insults.....nice, how old are you?

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He we go with the hate hate hate for having an opinion...

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