General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[LemmyCaution]

I'd like to share something from the link that HD gave us:

“I was in the big concentration camps in Germany. I must truthfully state that in no camp have I ever seen anything that might have resembled gas chambers.” — Dr. Benedikt Kautsky, Jewish prisoner of Auschwitz from 1938-1945, Did Six Million Really Die? p. 382"

Here's the fascinating bit:
"Jewish prisoner of Auschwitz from 1938-1945"

I believe that we have true historical revisionism here. I did not know that the Poles opened Auschwitz in 1938.

LOL

And I think we've found out where he got hooked on Gringauz.

We get Forrestal and Weizmann - all we need is Untermyer to spell "WUF".

Somehow they missed Natscha Retsch/Mascha Rjetsch/Tatscha Retsch . . . weird.

 

[LeoMajor]

These building for those who are not critical zealots were NEVER used as homicidal gas chambers.

Hans Munch, Josef Mengele, and Josef Erber say otherwise. Also, why were the "morgues" heated up?


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[Jeffk 1970]

I don't even know what "the Jewish Holocaust hoax narrative" is. You would have to tell me and then I can tell you if I agree with it.


Not until I complain about the crap pay they're giving me.

I know what you mean. They haven't given me a pay raise or increased my vacation time in ages.

 

[LSSBB]

None are so blind as those who refuse to see none are as hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free none are so deaf as those who refuse to hear
The truth that refutes their dogma and the lies that they hold so dear none are so craven as those who hide from the truth and nothing is worse than a coward who teaches propaganda and lies to our youth


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Now now, just because you are flailing at this is no need to descend into a bout of ALL CAPS self hatred.

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This thread has been going on for years .

Did you really think you had something new to bring to the table? If so, when do we get to see it?

 

[LeoMajor]

You are cut from underwear cloth? Right...lol...

I am a number of decades your senior at the very least and yet I feel as If I could very well be your kindergarten teacher.

Are a Holocaust Skeptic or not? If you are not you don't belong here in this discussion. Your aim is always defending the Holocaust narrative.

I am a defender of historical truth. I am also opposed to 9/11 conspiracy theories, Moon Landing conspiracy theories, and Flat Earth Theories. Do you espouse those? Denial of the holocaust is the same thing.

 

[LeoMajor]

More holohoax lies being exposed..Revisionist don't sell lies, the holohoax people do it all the time

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/nazi-soap-contains-no-human-remains-1.968045

Still going on about soap I see. Wanna answer my question HDenier? Or are you still afraid of the facts?

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[LemmyCaution]

I know what you mean. They haven't given me a pay raise or increased my vacation time in ages.

You get vacation? I am so complaining about this . . .

 

[A'isha]

I am a number of decades your senior at the very least and yet I feel as If I could very well be your kindergarten teacher.

I know, right?

My user title actually comes from the previous Part II version of this thread, when a denier upset about how thoroughly I was demolishing his arguments called me "Miss Elementary Teacher". He meant it as an insult, but it fit so well with what it felt like trying to baby-step deniers through the actual facts of the Holocaust that I adopted it.

 

[HDenier]

Now now, just because you are flailing at this is no need to descend into a bout of ALL CAPS self hatred.

This thread has been going on for years .

Did you really think you had something new to bring to the table? If so, when do we get to see it?

How's the Jewish soap argument?

Hey what about all that Treblinka missing wood?

Treblinka was faced w*ith an almost impossi*ble cremation task: t*o burn 750,000 + bodi*es in just four month*s.* This entails huge* and irreconcilable p*roblems with fuel and* ash disposal** Accor*ding to the tradition*alists, the bodies of* those who were kille*d at Treblinka were p*laced on pyres made o*ut of railway tracks *and burned in the ope*n air. Burning bodies* in open air pyres is* inefficient and woul*d have required an en*ormous amount of wood*.* Dalton states that* 160 kg of wood would* be required per body*.* For Treblinka, bur*ning 750,000 corpses *in four months would *have required one mil*lion kilos (1,200 ton*s) of wood per day. D*alton writes: “In no *case do we have any r*ecord or witness stat*ement of such huge am*ounts of wood enterin*g the camp, being sto*red, or being prepare*d for the pyre.* If t*he wood had been coll*ected nearby, hundred*s of acres of land wo*uld have been defores*ted; if it had been s*hipped in by train, t*here would have been *numerous records of w*ood deliveries.* Ther*e is not one bit of e*vidence for either oc*currence.” A similar *problem existed for A*uschwitzBirkenau, acc*ording to Dalton.* If* the traditionalist n*arrative of its use a*s a mass exterminatio*n camp is correct, th*en after the Jews of *Hungary were deported* to the camp (beginni*ng in May 1944) and k*illed by gassing (acc*ording to the traditi*onalists) more than 7*000 bodies per day wo*uld have had to have *been burned in pits o*r pyres – as the crem*atoria were already o*perating at capacity,* according to the tra*ditionalist view. Thi*s would have required* 1.1 million kilos of* wood per day to fuel* 12-14 burning pits 2*0 hours per day.* Aer*ial photographs of th*e camp taken at that *time do not support t*his type of mass disp*osal of bodies, which* undermines their cas*e for Auschwitz-Birke*nau being a mass-murd*er facility on the sc*ale that is generally* claimed by tradition*alists.**

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[Jeffk 1970]

You get vacation? I am so complaining about this . . .

Hey, not my fault my handler is better than yours.





It helps that I'm Jewish.

Aw, man, I wasn't supposed to admit that......

 

[Jeffk 1970]

How's the Jewish soap argument?

Hey what about all that Treblinka missing wood?

Treblinka was faced w*ith an almost impossi*ble cremation task: t*o burn 750,000 + bodi*es in just four month*s.* This entails huge* and irreconcilable p*roblems with fuel and* ash disposal** Accor*ding to the tradition*alists, the bodies of* those who were kille*d at Treblinka were p*laced on pyres made o*ut of railway tracks *and burned in the ope*n air. Burning bodies* in open air pyres is* inefficient and woul*d have required an en*ormous amount of wood*.* Dalton states that* 160 kg of wood would* be required per body*.* For Treblinka, bur*ning 750,000 corpses *in four months would *have required one mil*lion kilos (1,200 ton*s) of wood per day. D*alton writes: “In no *case do we have any r*ecord or witness stat*ement of such huge am*ounts of wood enterin*g the camp, being sto*red, or being prepare*d for the pyre.* If t*he wood had been coll*ected nearby, hundred*s of acres of land wo*uld have been defores*ted; if it had been s*hipped in by train, t*here would have been *numerous records of w*ood deliveries.* Ther*e is not one bit of e*vidence for either oc*currence.” A similar *problem existed for A*uschwitzBirkenau, acc*ording to Dalton.* If* the traditionalist n*arrative of its use a*s a mass exterminatio*n camp is correct, th*en after the Jews of *Hungary were deported* to the camp (beginni*ng in May 1944) and k*illed by gassing (acc*ording to the traditi*onalists) more than 7*000 bodies per day wo*uld have had to have *been burned in pits o*r pyres – as the crem*atoria were already o*perating at capacity,* according to the tra*ditionalist view. Thi*s would have required* 1.1 million kilos of* wood per day to fuel* 12-14 burning pits 2*0 hours per day.* Aer*ial photographs of th*e camp taken at that *time do not support t*his type of mass disp*osal of bodies, which* undermines their cas*e for Auschwitz-Birke*nau being a mass-murd*er facility on the sc*ale that is generally* claimed by tradition*alists.**

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HD, any thoughts?

"Well, first of all you needed the compliance and agreement of the major powers of the Second World War, the US, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Not only that you needed the compliance of secondary powers like France and Poland. Poland is particularly important because the deportations of the Jews there was hardly a secret. This agreement needed to be iron clad to the point it could survive any shifts in the political landscape.

Next, you needed to fake thousands of documents with corresponding copies available on both sides of the Iron Curtain. This also included making or altering records of both civilian and military authorities so that they matched and corroborated each other. This meant that any original German documents contradicting these fakes needed to be tracked down and destroyed or altered in their turn to avoid future historians from discovering the truth.

Next, all the parties needed to find hundreds of thousands of witnesses that could be intimidated or persuaded to go along with this, along with surviving victims and perpetrators. This also included destroying or altering buildings to match this narrative, along with blueprints of these buildings.

All of this needed to be started before the end of war and completed by the beginning of any court hearings (keep in mind that the decision to try the Nazi leaders came very late in the game, there was disagreement over this between the allies).

You also needed the agreement of all the parties to hide the missing Jews in such a way they could never be accounted for.

Finally, this needed to be done in such that there could never be any leaks.

Ever. No tell-all memoirs, no press releases from disgruntled ex-spies or secretaries, no ex-Nazis safely living in South America announcing to the world the reality of the hoax, no POWs released from the USSR telling his family about the Jews in the USSR on his deathbed, etc."

 

[LSSBB]

How's the Jewish soap argument?

The one cherished little gem of yours that no one here ever presents as fact? I do believe your predecessor Clayton Moore used to keep flogging that regardless of whether it proves anything to anyone.

 

[HDenier]

LeoMajor, what are you a hundred years old? You state you are many decades my senior....I seriously doubt your that old. Apparently older people can still be given to "impenetrable ignorance" though...see
FAIL: DEBUNKING HOLOCAUST DENIAL THEORIES..BY Carlo Mattogno
pp. 24...

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[HDenier]

How's the Jewish soap argument?

Hey what about all that Treblinka missing wood?

Treblinka was faced w*ith an almost impossi*ble cremation task: t*o burn 750,000 + bodi*es in just four month*s.* This entails huge* and irreconcilable p*roblems with fuel and* ash disposal** Accor*ding to the tradition*alists, the bodies of* those who were kille*d at Treblinka were p*laced on pyres made o*ut of railway tracks *and burned in the ope*n air. Burning bodies* in open air pyres is* inefficient and woul*d have required an en*ormous amount of wood*.* Dalton states that* 160 kg of wood would* be required per body*.* For Treblinka, bur*ning 750,000 corpses *in four months would *have required one mil*lion kilos (1,200 ton*s) of wood per day. D*alton writes: “In no *case do we have any r*ecord or witness stat*ement of such huge am*ounts of wood enterin*g the camp, being sto*red, or being prepare*d for the pyre.* If t*he wood had been coll*ected nearby, hundred*s of acres of land wo*uld have been defores*ted; if it had been s*hipped in by train, t*here would have been *numerous records of w*ood deliveries.* Ther*e is not one bit of e*vidence for either oc*currence.” A similar *problem existed for A*uschwitzBirkenau, acc*ording to Dalton.* If* the traditionalist n*arrative of its use a*s a mass exterminatio*n camp is correct, th*en after the Jews of *Hungary were deported* to the camp (beginni*ng in May 1944) and k*illed by gassing (acc*ording to the traditi*onalists) more than 7*000 bodies per day wo*uld have had to have *been burned in pits o*r pyres – as the crem*atoria were already o*perating at capacity,* according to the tra*ditionalist view. Thi*s would have required* 1.1 million kilos of* wood per day to fuel* 12-14 burning pits 2*0 hours per day.* Aer*ial photographs of th*e camp taken at that *time do not support t*his type of mass disp*osal of bodies, which* undermines their cas*e for Auschwitz-Birke*nau being a mass-murd*er facility on the sc*ale that is generally* claimed by tradition*alists.**

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The all caps didn't come from me, I was just too lazy to retype the paragraph.

Next time, either re-type material in all caps or use the tools available in word processing applications or on websites to change the case to sentence case.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha

The self gate comments was very Jewish though...thanks..

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[Jeffk 1970]

LeoMajor, what are you a hundred years old? You state you are many decades my senior....I seriously doubt your that old. Apparently older people can still be given to "impenetrable ignorance" though...see
FAIL: DEBUNKING HOLOCAUST DENIAL THEORIES..BY Carlo Mattogno
pp. 24...

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Do you have any thoughts on this?

"Well, first of all you needed the compliance and agreement of the major powers of the Second World War, the US, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Not only that you needed the compliance of secondary powers like France and Poland. Poland is particularly important because the deportations of the Jews there was hardly a secret. This agreement needed to be iron clad to the point it could survive any shifts in the political landscape.

Next, you needed to fake thousands of documents with corresponding copies available on both sides of the Iron Curtain. This also included making or altering records of both civilian and military authorities so that they matched and corroborated each other. This meant that any original German documents contradicting these fakes needed to be tracked down and destroyed or altered in their turn to avoid future historians from discovering the truth.

Next, all the parties needed to find hundreds of thousands of witnesses that could be intimidated or persuaded to go along with this, along with surviving victims and perpetrators. This also included destroying or altering buildings to match this narrative, along with blueprints of these buildings.

All of this needed to be started before the end of war and completed by the beginning of any court hearings (keep in mind that the decision to try the Nazi leaders came very late in the game, there was disagreement over this between the allies).

You also needed the agreement of all the parties to hide the missing Jews in such a way they could never be accounted for.

Finally, this needed to be done in such that there could never be any leaks.

Ever. No tell-all memoirs, no press releases from disgruntled ex-spies or secretaries, no ex-Nazis safely living in South America announcing to the world the reality of the hoax, no POWs released from the USSR telling his family about the Jews in the USSR on his deathbed, etc."

 

[HDenier]

I am a number of decades your senior at the very least and yet I feel as If I could very well be your kindergarten teacher.



I am a defender of historical truth. I am also opposed to 9/11 conspiracy theories, Moon Landing conspiracy theories, and Flat Earth Theories. Do you espouse those? Denial of the holocaust is the same thing.

Moon landing has some serious debatable questions. Flat Earth is interesting but a time waster.
Holocaust is a Jewish thing that they can't win so they make laws to protect their lies... imagine, if you're living in Europe and you want to discuss the Holocaust, you and your lawyer will end up in jail.. that's nice.
Nothing seriously wrong with that picture with you Skeptics right?

“Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie.” — Gerard Menuhin, Jewish holocaust revisionist, Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil p. 305

I Totally agree with that statement

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[HDenier]

Still going on about soap I see. Wanna answer my question HDenier? Or are you still afraid of the facts?

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[Jeffk 1970]

Moon landing has some serious debatable questions. Flat Earth is interesting but a time waster.
Holocaust is a Jewish thing that they can't win so they make laws to protect their lies... imagine, if you're living in Europe and you want to discuss the Holocaust, you and your lawyer will end up in jail.. that's nice.
Nothing seriously wrong with that picture with you Skeptics right?

“Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie.” — Gerard Menuhin, Jewish holocaust revisionist, Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil p. 305

I Totally agree with that statement

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Sorry, couldn't do it. It felt wrong.

Can you explain to me how the Jews got the British, Soviets and US to go along with this hoax?
What was the motivation?

 

[Porkpie Hat]

The bombings didn't cause any problems for these camps or the people in them Lemmy? Yes or no?

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Why the hell were all those people in the camps to begin with?

Because they were Jewish, Gypsies, Homosexuals, JW's etc.

Because of a boycott of German goods due to discriminatory Nazi policies?

Was there any reason to enslave millions of men, women, children and the elderly in such appalling conditions to begin with and subject them to the horrors of these camps?

The Holocaust is about much more than the actual killing.

 

[HDenier]

Do you have any thoughts on this?

"Well, first of all you needed the compliance and agreement of the major powers of the Second World War, the US, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Not only that you needed the compliance of secondary powers like France and Poland. Poland is particularly important because the deportations of the Jews there was hardly a secret. This agreement needed to be iron clad to the point it could survive any shifts in the political landscape.

Next, you needed to fake thousands of documents with corresponding copies available on both sides of the Iron Curtain. This also included making or altering records of both civilian and military authorities so that they matched and corroborated each other. This meant that any original German documents contradicting these fakes needed to be tracked down and destroyed or altered in their turn to avoid future historians from discovering the truth.

Next, all the parties needed to find hundreds of thousands of witnesses that could be intimidated or persuaded to go along with this, along with surviving victims and perpetrators. This also included destroying or altering buildings to match this narrative, along with blueprints of these buildings.

All of this needed to be started before the end of war and completed by the beginning of any court hearings (keep in mind that the decision to try the Nazi leaders came very late in the game, there was disagreement over this between the allies).

You also needed the agreement of all the parties to hide the missing Jews in such a way they could never be accounted for.

Finally, this needed to be done in such that there could never be any leaks.

Ever. No tell-all memoirs, no press releases from disgruntled ex-spies or secretaries, no ex-Nazis safely living in South America announcing to the world the reality of the hoax, no POWs released from the USSR telling his family about the Jews in the USSR on his deathbed, etc."

What's your point in a sentence without nauseating rambling?

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