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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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It's not a science, I witnessed your nonsense first hand...

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What "nonsense" is that, calling you out on a claim?

With a response like that, I'm picturing you now running away zig zag, yelling "serpentine".

It's already apparent you invoked "science" with no basis.
 
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Not only that but he keeps ignoring where Gringauz wrote this: And this: And this:
Pretty clear why.

But of course. Its the common deniers short term view, trying to show up those who confront them while not realizing that by presenting easily debunked nonsense their confessed long term attempts of getting real historians to believe in their revisionism is utterly destroyed.

Much of denialism self-destructs without comment by any one else.
 
I would have thought that Miroslav Filipović was a true christian, having been catholic priest and franciscan friar.

He did not only kill Jews of also Serb orthodox.

Yeah, good point, not to mention his pal the Poglavnik himself (Ante Pavelic) (discussed here); the main target of the "clerical fascist" NDH (Independent State of Croatia, led by the Poglavnik) was the Serbs (100s of 1000s murdered), in fact, along with exterminations of the Jews (IIRC 30,000 dead) in collaboration with Nazi Germany.
 
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But, leaving aside for the moment the evidence many of us have provided showing that there were large-scale and widespread massacres of Jews by the Germans, you've already told us they were such massacres - and that the Jews deserved it. Now you say there weren't the massacres you tell us were justified. You kind of need to make up your mind. At any event, I can't help noticing that you can't seem to help contradicting yourself.



Good for you. Just remember to quote Gringauz fully: And: And:
We are all onto you by now, you realize.
What's your point?

Even though Gringuaz believed his bewildering massacres, his statement that I quote is holohoax gold....He exposed the Jews for their exaggerations and ability to blow up small issues to larger ones. His quote is an embarrassment to all you holohoaxters even in context..anytime you have a witness telling their story member Gringuaz quote...what an embarrassment again for you hoaxers.

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He exposed the Jews for their exaggerations and ability to blow up small issues to larger ones.

No he didn't, but as we've seen from your fellow deniers in this thread, no denier has yet told the truth about a source they've cited.

The only people who habitually lie about the Holocaust are Holocaust deniers.
 
But, leaving aside for the moment the evidence many of us have provided showing that there were large-scale and widespread massacres of Jews by the Germans, you've already told us they were such massacres - and that the Jews deserved it. Now you say there weren't the massacres you tell us were justified. You kind of need to make up your mind. At any event, I can't help noticing that you can't seem to help contradicting yourself.



Good for you. Just remember to quote Gringauz fully: And: And:
We are all onto you by now, you realize.
A big conspiracy of you hoaxers to better me by a group of people claiming that they are Skeptics when they have an agenda to push their holohoax by any means and slip and troll into these groups...you people empower me...what are you a skeptic of?

I am, of your holohoax..lol.

I belong here. You all don't. Have you figured that out yet?
When we used to do a cable show the Jews got so mad that they had to come back and put their nonsense on TV which we take and show how stupid and ridiculous it was. They couldn't take that so they took our shows of the air that's the only way they work. They do it in these groups also...they are despicable people. It seems you and your holohoax conspiracy nuts are ganging up on me now, you let the cat out of the bag.....the whole world is watching...phase two, get rid of HDenier coming up, don't miss it. This should be exciting...

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What's your point?
My point is that now you write that Jews were not massacred, you earlier wrote that they were shot en masse but deserved it. Which leads to this second point: you are making stuff up because you don't know what you're talking about.

Even though Gringuaz believed his bewildering massacres,
What on earth does this mean?

his statement that I quote is holohoax gold....
It is actually pretty run of the mill; like many other scholars, he cautions about memoirs and urges the use of social science methods. He uses those methods to draw conclusions about the daily life in ghettos - and also about the annihilation of the Jews. Your use of the quotation and need to keep repeating it, in this light, is rather silly given your aims.

He exposed the Jews for their exaggerations and ability to blow up small issues to larger ones. His quote is an embarrassment to all you holohoaxters even in context..anytime you have a witness telling their story member Gringuaz quote...what an embarrassment again for you hoaxers.
Again, you forget all the other evidence about the same events. That aside, someone else remarked on your reading comprehension. You keep missing the main idea. Like here: Gringauz did not expose Jews as anything special or different; rather he wrote about how those subjected to "a policy of persecution, defamation and annihilation" underwent deeply felt personal experiences: "Never before was an event so deeply sensed by its participants as being part of an epoch-shaping history in the making, never before was a personal experience felt to be so historically relevant. The result of this hyperhistorical complex has been that the brief post-war years have seen a flood of 'historical materials.' . . ."

With this in mind, Gringauz cautions that such materials cannot substitute for scholarly study using proper methodologies - that people affected so personally have a great deal to contribute to understanding the history but that on account of "the aspect of personal experience" they are not best suited to be the historians of the times: "The question
 thus arises whether participants of such a world-shaking epoch can at all be its historians and whether the time has already come when valid historic judgment, free of partisanship, vindictiveness and ulterior motives, is possible. In our opinion survivors of the great catastrophe can make an important contribution to the exploration of the problem. . . . We are further of the opinion that the most satisfactory basis for sound research in these problems is to be found in the co-operation of scientists who have had personal experience with scientists who have not, as exemplified in the present conference. We believe, finally, that although the time for final judgment may not yet have arrived, the establishment of methodical directives for research are immediate urgent tasks."

This, sad to say, has exactly zero to do with your cartoon-version of what Gringauz was writing about.

For all I care you should keep spamming the quotation - it only discredits revisionism and its proponents.
 
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...They do it in these groups also...they are despicable people. It seems you and your holohoax conspiracy nuts are ganging up on me now, you let the cat out of the bag.....the whole world is watching...phase two, get rid of HDenier coming up, don't miss it. This should be exciting...


But you don't hate them ...right?
 
A big conspiracy of you hoaxers to better me by a group of people claiming that they are Skeptics when they have an agenda to push their holohoax by any means and slip and troll into these groups...you people empower me...what are you a skeptic of?
This doesn't even mean anything. What are you trying to say?

It seems you and your holohoax conspiracy nuts are ganging up on me now,
It is not going well for you here, we all see that. One piece of advice I can give you is to slow down and think before you jump in. You should read and consider what others post, follow the links and citations, and think about what they are saying. Also focusing would help you, really exploring a limited number of topics. If you were to respect what others offer, you might grow less frustrated - and we could have actual discussion. Finally, it would be a good idea to learn about what you wish to discuss before you start posting about it. I can help by recommending some very basic books, ones I believe you could gain something from. I feel for you, as you seem to be at loose ends.
 
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A big conspiracy of you hoaxers to better me by a group of people claiming that they are Skeptics when they have an agenda to push their holohoax by any means and slip and troll into these groups...you people empower me...what are you a skeptic of?

I am, of your holohoax..lol.

I belong here. You all don't. Have you figured that out yet?
When we used to do a cable show the Jews got so mad that they had to come back and put their nonsense on TV which we take and show how stupid and ridiculous it was. They couldn't take that so they took our shows of the air that's the only way they work. They do it in these groups also...they are despicable people. It seems you and your holohoax conspiracy nuts are ganging up on me now, you let the cat out of the bag.....the whole world is watching...phase two, get rid of HDenier coming up, don't miss it. This should be exciting...

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Speaking of cats and bags, your career in prefessional martyrdom is pretty obvious - and the quoted post is par for the course.
 
Since part of this post raises issues of forum management, the post has been copied and given its own thread in Forum Management Feedback. That thread can be found here. FMF is the proper place for all forum management discussions and are off-topic elsewhere.

(This notice was belated. I apologize for the delay in posting it.
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You espouse conspiracy based nonsense that they control the world, you imply that they control the Canadian Court System, you deny that they experienced the genocide unleashed upon them by Nazi Germany and you falsely accuse them of "ruining" Germany and imply heavily that Hitler was right about them/. Your brother has openly expressed murderous feelings about them.

Don't lie to us. We are cut from a higher cloth than the likes of you.
My brother is no longer on this list because they conspired to get him off. They got Diane off too. Reason given ...none. you brought his name up, I'm finishing what happened.
I have a right to my opinion, if you don't like it get into another forum. This is a SKEPTIC FORUM, meaning I can imply anything I want because...I am a SKEPTIC. Obviously you aren't. You have an agenda to protect the Jews no matter how despicable their actions are.. Go to another forum. Remember this is a SKEPTICS forum.....our views are supposed to be different. You/we are discussing the Holocaust, what are you a skeptic of? YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
You are not a skeptic about it

I am, I HAVE questions, disagreements, issues, I belong here, you don't....for all of you are you a skeptic about the Holocaust?
If no then you don't belong here.
Lets start a list.
Are you a skeptic of the Holocaust?
1. DDenier......yes
2.
3.
4.
5.

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My brother is no longer on this list because they conspired to get him off. They got Diane off too. Reason given ...none. you brought his name up, I'm finishing what happened.
I have a right to my opinion, if you don't like it get into another forum. This is a SKEPTIC FORUM, meaning I can imply anything I want because...I am a SKEPTIC. Obviously you aren't. You have an agenda to protect the Jews no matter how despicable their actions are.. Go to another forum. Remember this is a SKEPTICS forum.....our views are supposed to be different. You/we are discussing the Holocaust, what are you a skeptic of? YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
You are not a skeptic about it

I am, I HAVE questions, disagreements, issues, I belong here, you don't....for all of you are you a skeptic about the Holocaust?
If no then you don't belong here.
Lets start a list.
Are you a skeptic of the Holocaust?
1. DDenier......yes
2.
3.
4.
5.

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Oh gosh we can now add not knowing what a skeptic is to the long list of things you don't understand..... lol

I'm skeptical of holocaust denial.
I'm not skeptical of the holocaust because I have researched it
I'm not skeptical that WWI occurred "
I'm not skeptical that Greenland exists "
I'm not skeptical that the earth is round "
 
No he didn't, but as we've seen from your fellow deniers in this thread, no denier has yet told the truth about a source they've cited.

The only people who habitually lie about the Holocaust are Holocaust deniers.
How's that Jewish soap doing?
How's those lampshades?
How's those shrunken heads?
How are those Jewish skin wallets?

Speaking of real lies...

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How's that Jewish soap doing?
How's those lampshades?
How's those shrunken heads?
How are those Jewish skin wallets?

Speaking of real lies...

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As you well know, not one person here has posted about any of the above - except you! And a few of us to straighten you out.
 
How's that Jewish soap doing?
How's those lampshades?
How's those shrunken heads?
How are those Jewish skin wallets?

Speaking of real lies...

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The only ones bringing those up are deniers. It's certainly not historians of the Holocaust, because, unlike deniers, historians don't keep repeating falsehoods when those falsehoods are pointed out to them.
 
I have a right to my opinion, if you don't like it get into another forum. This is a SKEPTIC FORUM, meaning I can imply anything I want because...I am a SKEPTIC.


Yes, you have the right to your opinion.

You do not have the right to not have your opinion challenged.

If you imply something you need to provide evidence to back it up. And you need to be prepared to have your evidence challenged.

You aren't. You simply go on spouting the same discredited evidence time and again. You are not a sceptic, you are a contrarian.




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