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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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HDenier said:
Nice to finally hear that you're referring to these camps as "labor camps" it took a long enough time for that to happen all you people used to say was they were concentration camps. Of course you do know that in these "concentration camps" that they got paid right? they actually had camp money to spend. I guess apparently they used this Camp money to buy gas mask LOL...

http://www.rense.com/lets_stop_with_the_auschwitz_lies.htm.html

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But of course I didn't use the phrase labor camp - not that doing so would be wrong for some camps. But not for Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec and Chelmno if that is what you mean by "these camps." I did write about factories using forced labor, which occurred sometimes with slave laborer essentially rented out to factories to work in them and some camps were like large factory complexes. Is this all news to you? You keep seeming to be confused about the various kinds of camps the Nazis ran and who were the prisoners in them. I suggest you read the USHMM's two volume camp encyclopedia which has an excellent overview and in depth articles. Wachsmann's book on the KL system and Gruner's on Jewish forced labor could also help you with your misunderstanding.
 
HDenier said:
Not interested where they went, where are the 750,000 bodies?.
That's my only interest...

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Well first revisionists like Hunt and Mattogno are interested in where Jews went because they are not stupid enough to imagine that they can expect people to believe that 100s of 1000s and millions of Jews just vanished and, second, people who actually have an interest in the history know that this question is central to what happened. You are of course free to evade the question - and we are free to conclude if you do so that you have nothing to contribute to understanding the war years.
 
HDenier said:
Find out why they supposedly did.
War is war. What right did Americans have in Vietnam at MyLai to shoot up a whole village and murder everybody?

Read the book "Hellstorm" or watch the movie about the other side of evil against the Germans....

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The My Lai massacre was a crime against mankind. But it does not create a justification for the crimes against mankind perpetrated by the nazis. And vice versa, of course...
 
HDenier said:
Look my belief is this quote: it needs no explanation, it us the explanation. If you don't like it to bad...I read the context thanks to this forum and I believe even more than ever in his words.

“most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic *effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
–Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
Vol. 12, p. 65
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Nice quote mining. And what about the NAZI Memoirs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yfxnB_5AiU
 
Degeneve said:
As a matter of fact you document does not make any difference between concentration camp and extermination camp. Furthermore it cites Paul Rassinier whose testimony is in complete opposition to all the others testimonies provided by people who have been in the same locations at the same time. In such cases I tend to think that the only person would provides such a diverging report is inventing what he says.

Appreciation which is confirmed by the fact that is in fact the father of holocaust denial although he never put a foot in an extermination camp.
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Because there weren't any "death camps"

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LSSBB said:
So you are backing off "science" now and going with subjective experience of home construction? Interesting way to run away from a question.
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It's not a science, I witnessed your nonsense first hand...

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HDenier said:
“most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic *effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
–Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
Vol. 12, p. 65
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Oh my back to this failed quote again. Have you actually read this thread? As we discussed this in some length above you are quoting something out of context. As you know this you are making a clearly false statement. I would suggest you take a crayon and write on the wall next to you. "Gringauz was writing about the Ghettos".

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Not that you had any credibility remaining to lose.

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American soldiers didn't liberate Auschwitz so I can't provide you with the link. I could provide you with people that said it but I don't want to do that now maybe you can look it up and do a search for it
Obama was caught lying saying his uncle liberated Auschwitz.....the guy was hundreds of miles away...look it up..

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Degeneve said:
Which Americans soldiers claim they have liberated Auschwitz? Can you provide any link to this story?

As for the food given to people who were in too bad conditions to eat it it is true, at least partially, but again provide evidence that "thousands of them died".

Now let's speak about the 39 railway boxcars full of about 2000 corpses found by the US army when they liberated Dachau concentration camp. They did not eat too much or too fast. They were abandonned in closed boxcar by the SS guards and simply starved.

Just one example...
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All you questions are searchable and answered.I've done it, you do it....
the Germans didn't cause those deaths in the trains, the Americans and allies did...bomb the railroads, food and medical help stops...

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HDenier said:
All you questions are searchable and answered.I've done it, you do it....
the Germans didn't cause those deaths in the trains, the Americans and allies did...bomb the railroads, food and medical help stops...

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Then why were the German soldiers and civilians just fine? Oh and I guess you conceded you were wrong about that quote -again - lol
 
HDenier said:
All you questions are searchable and answered.I've done it, you do it....
the Germans didn't cause those deaths in the trains, the Americans and allies did...bomb the railroads, food and medical help stops...

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It sure does when you don't bother to let them out.
 
HDenier said:
My only interest in studying triblinka it is to find out what happened to the 750,000 bodies that you claim disappeared. You change the topic on that major problem as usual.
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Well, I've told you - they were cremated mostly as part of the SK-1005 action. That means a) they didn't "disappear" (I never claimed that they did; again I ask you not to distort what I've posted - doing so is a cheap shot) and b) I didn't change the topic on this but rather gave an answer to the question.

Details below:

HDOT Aktion Reinhard cremation overview

Muehlenkamp - HC: AR camps cremation intro; fuel requirements; duration of cremations; cremation remains

Nizkor cremation overview
 
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A'isha said:
Even the Jehovah's Witness book you keep citing says there were death campa.
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If people died then they were death camps for those people. The camps weren't planned to kill people, why have hospitals in them? Doctors?
Elie Wiesel and his dad were taken care of well by the doctors, look it up. Wasn't a Death camp to them was it? Apparently with your reasoning hospitals in the United States become death camps because people die in them.

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HDenier said:
Not interested where they went, where are the 750,000 bodies?.
That's my only interest...
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HDenier said:
My theory:
There were no homicidal gassings that were a planned "final solution"
The final solution to the Jews was deportation.
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You can't even keep straight what your interest is.

If you want anyone to accept the "theory" that over 5 million Jews were deported, you need to tell us where to, when, how, by what routes, managed by whom, received in which places and under what arrangements - and what evidence shows this.
 
HDenier said:
Yeah right, I'm going to explain gas Chambers that never existed
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You've been asked to explain and show evidence for what you think happened, something you apparently cannot do:
LemmyCaution said:
What you are obligated to do is to explain, using the evidence that exists, just at Tomtomkent asked, what happened during WWII. If you want to be taken seriously, you will need to explain how virtually every scholar who, using the methods of social science, studied the war years got it wrong - including why the evidence shows your alternative interpretation to be superior to theirs and how these scholars (and others?) created a hoax.

You can start by finally addressing this request for you to do just that with one case study.

Or you can continue to flounder, to "lol," to repeat what's been shown to be in error, and to vilify Jews . . . your call.
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LemmyCaution said:
You can't even keep straight what your interest is.

If you want anyone to accept the "theory" that over 5 million Jews were deported, you need to tell us where to, when, how, by what routes, managed by whom, received in which places and under what arrangements - and what evidence shows this.
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Watch the Eric Hunt video again! It tells all! Or something ...


Pssst. Clothes piled 120 ft. high!!
 
HDenier said:
. . . I think I mentioned this before when the Americans liberated these camps the people were in a pretty bad mess so the Americans gave them food unfortunately the people couldn't digest the food and thousands of them died. When you see the pictures from the American soldiers of dead people it was the Americans/allies that played a part and caused the death of those people not to Germans. Did you know that? Of course not...
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You failed to respond to this post, which destroys your claims. Titus 1:12 and so on won't help you with this.
 
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