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Justice Dept. slams Baltimore cops....

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Here's why people get mad at the cops:
Baltimore’s top law enforcement and political leaders vowed a sweeping overhaul of the city police department after the Justice Department issued a searing rebuke of the agency’s practices, which federal authorities say regularly discriminated against black residents in poorer communities.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...10/f022ded2-5e72-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...on-the-baltimore-police-department/?utm_term=.
 
theprestige said:
Black mayor. Black police chief. Black criminals. The entire city is a mess.

>Somehow, this will all be blamed on white people.
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Somehow I suspect it mostly is them. Note, I am one, but fortunately I am blame free on that ******!!
 
theprestige said:
Black mayor. Black police chief. Black criminals. The entire city is a mess.

>Somehow, this will all be blamed on white people.
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Perhaps not, but you can sure give it a try, eh? Aren't you of the post-racial conservative bent? I'm trying to imagine how you'd react if Al Sharpton posted about the Zimmerman trial..... "White mayor. White Police Chief. White criminal. The entire state is a mess."
 
theprestige said:
Black mayor. Black police chief. Black criminals. The entire city is a mess.

>Somehow, this will all be blamed on white people.
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You should write the justice department and explain how your logic trumps their evidenc.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Perhaps not, but you can sure give it a try, eh? Aren't you of the post-racial conservative bent? I'm trying to imagine how you'd react if Al Sharpton posted about the Zimmerman trial..... "White mayor. White Police Chief. White criminal. The entire state is a mess."
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Actually, Florida is some messy. Too many years of poor handling of schools, republicker ******** (but I repeat myself) running it - with a known and proven crook at the head due to incompetent fools voting it in twice.
 
People who live in other cities do not understand Baltimore at all. I grew up in Baltimore and I still have many friends who live there. It is one of the most frightening cities in the US.

I am completely at ease ANYWHERE in NYC all by myself at 4 am. Even the riskier areas. I am afraid to walk down the Street in Baltimore at 3 in the afternoon in Fells Point, which is a tourist area that is built up.

The problem with Baltimore is drugs.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92699


The other problem is abandoned infrastructures that are literally around the corner from developed areas.


For example, this is Fells Points Theme's Street. The touristy part

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Thames_Street_Fells_Point.jpg

https://tom1834.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/fells_point.jpg


I can't find actual pictures but this is what it approximately would look like about 5 blocks away. And this is a NICE and still safe street


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-56hDPwnPCYE/U31meUbvRbI/AAAAAAAAKd4/u8LvjlHABEc/s1600/Pigtown6.JPG

Then you go two more blocks and get this
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/10/IMG_0194/108b91403.jpg

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/boarded-up-vacants.jpg

Only it's not all empty and safe looking. It's got groups of Meth Heads and drug addicts strung out on the street.

You can NEVER go "walking" through Baltimore. And all of this is walking distance from the Inner Harbor.

When you get into the real bad parts of town it is TERRIFYING.

This is Lexington Market
http://www.trbimg.com/img-4f3abd98/turbine/bal-md-schaefer-tour-p6-20120214120150/1050/1050x591


And then around the corner

https://whatisawridingmybikearoundtoday.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/20141130_150254.jpg
 
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For some reason I have never had any problems walking around big cities in varied areas during my often misspent life - including Baltimore where I have been often (lot of wife's family in MD/DC/Va) and where I will be the week Of Ag31-Sep 3/4 for Diamond Comics meeting at the downtown Holiday Inn near Harbor and Orioles stadium for Diamond Comics thing (did it last year. Sampled a lot of crab cakes!!!) Also NYC, DC and Chicago
and Saigon when vacationing with the US Army in Vietnam!! I tend to like cities and they tend to get along fine with me.
 
fuelair said:
For some reason I have never had any problems walking around big cities in varied areas during my often misspent life - including Baltimore where I have been often (lot of wife's family in MD/DC/Va) and where I will be the week Of Ag31-Sep 3/4 for Diamond Comics meeting at the downtown Holiday Inn near Harbor and Orioles stadium for Diamond Comics thing (did it last year. Sampled a lot of crab cakes!!!) Also NYC, DC and Chicago
and Saigon when vacationing with the US Army in Vietnam!! I tend to like cities and they tend to get along fine with me.
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Ooops. Left off a couple of smaller but... cities: Nashville, TN in many areas -some technically dodgy and Charleston, WVa same. I do like cities. And the wilds of the Southwest!!!!!
 
It's not that there aren't tourist attraction areas that are safe to walk. But seriously, go on Google maps and walk ten minutes away from the Shot Tower.

Any side street off that is Crack Houses. You can walk straight up Charles Street but you can't veer off by Howard.

One of the problems that occurred in Baltimore is that they sold people homes for $1 and then helped them renovate the homes. After they took loans out for the renovations they jacked the taxes up and people couldn't afford to pay the taxes and so they abandoned them. They are called ZOMBIE HOUSES


http://wtop.com/money/2016/05/baltimore-plagued-by-zombie-foreclosures/
 
It's kind of remarkable just how quickly things can go from "happy and touristy" to "the Wire" it Bmore proper- and yeah, it even took me by surprise. For that matter, a lot of the normal, working-class areas are much the same way, though obviously less pronounced than the tourist trap areas. I wonder if it's just what happens when industry just runs off and the workers follow it - Detroit seems to be the same from the documents I've seen, on a far larger scale.

It's a complete aside to the DoJ's report, but that discussion is happening over on Social Issues anyway.
 
theprestige said:
Now that is the markup of a man who takes his contributions seriously indeed. And all over an inconsequential typo.

Loving the extra exclamation points, as always.
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We live to please and defect!!!!! A plethora of excitement indicators embiggens the spirit and molded the simple clay from whence came George Pal's Puppetoons!!!!!!!!!!
 
What is the crime statistic ? That would be more telling than going from touristy to apocalyptic within a few street. I have thousand of such example in Paris, In my hometown, or even where I lived in Germany. Such brutal shift are not surprising because it is cheaper to have a few touristy place and brutal change, rather than repair and gentrify whole area, as the tourist *usually* don't go too far away or turn back.

Now crime stats that's another matter, because it cuts through the BS , the feeling, and the prejudice reflect part of truth (not fully as discrimination can still play a role).
 
Aepervius said:
What is the crime statistic ? That would be more telling than going from touristy to apocalyptic within a few street. I have thousand of such example in Paris, In my hometown, or even where I lived in Germany. Such brutal shift are not surprising because it is cheaper to have a few touristy place and brutal change, rather than repair and gentrify whole area, as the tourist *usually* don't go too far away or turn back.

Now crime stats that's another matter, because it cuts through the BS , the feeling, and the prejudice reflect part of truth (not fully as discrimination can still play a role).
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It is nothing like that. I'm telling you it is absolutely nothing like you've ever seen. It's not the boarded up buildings. It's energy in the area. We have places in NYC that are like this but even Bushwick doesn't feel as bad as Baltimore does.

That's why I say people don't really understand. Every time I've visited and gotten off the train I walk down Charles Street and for about 10 minutes I'm like "Wow look how beautiful, I bet I could live here and save a ton of money"

And then after about 20 minutes the creepiness and seediness and fear sets in. It literally feels violent.

The only place I've ever gone in NYC that has even remotely felt like this was Far Rockaway. But Far Rockaway on it's worst day is like Baltimore on it's best. And Far Rockaway is not in the middle of a tourist area, it's remote and far away from NYC. It's not the same at all. For it to to feel this way in the middle of a beautiful city with tourist attractions is just creepy.



People don't understand unless they've actually lived there. And there's also this constant racial tension. I've had people who visited me in NYC remark about how that stress of racism is non existent in NYC compared to Baltimore city.


http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/zip-code/new_york/far_rockaway/11691

Far Rockaway (zip 11691), New York, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 100, is 78. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 41.4.
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http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/city/maryland/baltimore


Baltimore, Maryland, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 100, is 91. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 41.4.
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