Justice Dept. slams Baltimore cops....

truethat said:
It is nothing like that. I'm telling you it is absolutely nothing like you've ever seen. It's not the boarded up buildings. It's energy in the area. We have places in NYC that are like this but even Bushwick doesn't feel as bad as Baltimore does.

That's why I say people don't really understand. Every time I've visited and gotten off the train I walk down Charles Street and for about 10 minutes I'm like "Wow look how beautiful, I bet I could live here and save a ton of money"

And then after about 20 minutes the creepiness and seediness and fear sets in. It literally feels violent.

The only place I've ever gone in NYC that has even remotely felt like this was Far Rockaway. But Far Rockaway on it's worst day is like Baltimore on it's best. And Far Rockaway is not in the middle of a tourist area, it's remote and far away from NYC. It's not the same at all. For it to to feel this way in the middle of a beautiful city with tourist attractions is just creepy.



People don't understand unless they've actually lived there. And there's also this constant racial tension. I've had people who visited me in NYC remark about how that stress of racism is non existent in NYC compared to Baltimore city.


http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/zip-code/new_york/far_rockaway/11691




http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/city/maryland/baltimore
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I can believe baltimore is a real craphole, but does that excuse abuses by the police?

from the link in the OP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ore-police-department/?utm_term=.5851b2b9df12

(these are taken from the DOJ report.)

“BPD’s legacy of zero tolerance enforcement continues to drive its policing in certain Baltimore neighborhoods and leads to unconstitutional stops, searches, and arrests. Many BPD supervisors instruct officers to make frequent stops and arrests—even for minor offenses and with minimal or no suspicion—without sufficient consideration of whether this enforcement strategy promotes public safety and community trust or conforms to constitutional standards.”

“Our review of incident reports and interviews with officers and community members found that officers regularly approach individuals standing or walking on City sidewalks to detain and question them and check for outstanding warrants, despite lacking reasonable suspicion to do so. Only 3.7 percent of pedestrian stops resulted in officers issuing a citation or making an arrest.”

“We likewise found many instances in which officers strip search individuals without legal justification. In some cases, officers performed degrading strip searches in public, prior to making an arrest, and without grounds to believe that the searched individuals were concealing contraband on their bodies.”

“Arrests without probable cause: from 2010–2015, supervisors at Baltimore’s Central Booking and local prosecutors rejected over 11,000 charges made by BPD officers because they lacked probable cause or otherwise did not merit prosecution. Our review of incident reports describing warrantless arrests likewise found many examples of officers making unjustified arrests.”

“While the Constitution requires individuals to receive pre-arrest notice of the specific conduct prohibited as loitering or trespassing, BPD officers approach individuals standing lawfully on sidewalks in front of public housing complexes or private businesses and arrest them unless the individuals are able to “justify” their presence to the officers’ satisfaction.”

“BPD uses overly aggressive tactics that unnecessarily escalate encounters, increase tensions, and lead to unnecessary force, and fails to de-escalate encounters when it would be reasonable to do so.”

“BPD uses excessive force against individuals with mental health disabilities or in crisis. Due to a lack of training and improper tactics, BPD officers end up in unnecessarily violent confrontations with these vulnerable individuals.”

“BPD uses unreasonable force against people who present little or no threat to officers or others. Specifically, BPD uses excessive force against (1) individuals who are already restrained and under officers’ control and (2) individuals who are fleeing from officers and are not suspected of serious criminal offenses.”

“Our concerns about BPD’s use of excessive force are compounded by BPD’s ineffective oversight of its use of force. Of the 2,818 force incidents that BPD recorded in the nearly six-year period we reviewed, BPD investigated only ten incidents based on concerns identified through its internal review. Of these ten cases, BPD found only one use of force to be excessive.”

“BPD violates the First Amendment by retaliating against individuals engaged in constitutionally protected activities. Officers frequently detain and arrest members of the public for engaging in speech the officers perceive to be critical or disrespectful. And BPD officers use force against members of the public who are engaging in protected speech.”
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Surely the way to police a high crime area is with better more professional policing not with ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ policing?
 
theprestige said:
Black mayor. Black police chief. Black criminals. The entire city is a mess.

>Somehow, this will all be blamed on white people.
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But who is framing it as white vs black? There is a racism issue thats for sure, the DOJ report makes that clear. But it is an institutional racism issue, there is a culture of racism in the BPD but I dont think it makes too much difference what color the officer is, just the civilian.

Have you read the DOJ report? Civilians in baltimore regularly have their constitutional rights trampled on, isn't this an issue for you?

Hypothetically - if the DOJ report instead did not mention race but found the same results (lets say aimed disproportionately at poor people), ie.
constant stop & search without cause,
strip searches in public,
illegally harassing random groups of civilians,
over 11,000 arrests lacking probable cause,
unreasonable and excessive force,
etc etc.
would you still dismiss the report?
 
regardless of what color someone is or how high crime an area it is how is this ever justified?:

Over the last five years, the DOJ report points out, BPD has faced more than 60 lawsuits over illegal strip searches. It describes on such search of a woman who was stopped for a broken headlight.

Officers ordered the woman to exit her vehicle, remove her clothes, and stand on the sidewalk to be searched. The woman asked the male officer in charge “I really gotta take all my clothes off?” The male officer replied “yeah” and ordered a female officer to strip search the woman. The female officer then put on purple latex gloves, pulled up the woman’s shirt and searched around her bra. Finding no weapons or contraband around the woman’s chest, the officer then pulled down the woman’s underwear and searched her anal cavity. This search again found no evidence of wrongdoing and the officers released the woman without charges. Indeed, the woman received only a repair order for her headlight.
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is this acceptable?
 
mifune said:
regardless of what color someone is or how high crime an area it is how is this ever justified?:




is this acceptable?
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Hey at least they know all those supposed rape victims are lying whores and treat them as such. That has to work in their favor right?
 
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