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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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LemmyCaution said:
Just because you favor photographs and Hogan's Heroes, you don't get to rule out important parts of the Holocaust. Even revisionists like Hunt or Mattogno know that the deportations and transports of Jews have to be explained. That is why, as Jeffk_1970 told you, they've come up with a false narrative about resettlement, one they have been unable to prove.

Earlier in this thread we listed some of the gaffes that Eric Hunt made trying to explain Treblinka transports. Hunt got so thrashed on his claims that he went as far as to post an appeal to revisionists to . . . let me link to a post describing his request and showing screenshots from Hunt's pitch so you can read it in his own words:
So this is interesting, and I'll go slowly out of deference to your apparent lack of familiarity with this material and expressed lack of interest in it: As background, in 1943, not during 1942, approximately 2500 Jews were taken through Treblinka to other camps (as summarized in posts linked to previously by a number of us); the shuffling of a few 1000s of Jews through Treblinka was "reported" as early as the Düsseldorf Treblinka trial in 1965 - but such shuffles of victims were to other camps, not for "resettlement" as deniers like to have it. This minor shuffling of a couple 1000 prisoners is what Hunt tried building into a case for Treblinka's being a transit camp and part of a large resettlement operation.

Hunt claimed that he would show 10s and 10s of 1000s more Jews transited through Treblinka (he never did). Thus, nearly 800,000 Jews deported to Treblinka remain unexplained by Hunt. Further, Hunt hadn't noticed that none of the so-called transited Jews were shuffled to other places in 1942, only in the latter phases of Treblinka's existence, in 1943. Further, many of the not-quite 2500 inmates shuffled wound up in the Lublin area camps and were killed in Action Erntefest several months later. We are talking about fewer than 1% of the Jews deported to Treblinka (actually fewer than a half of 1%) - that's what Hunt tried to make into evidence for the resettlement of 800,000 Jews.

Unable to explain himself on these issues, Hunt apparently became desperate and posted his cry for help mentioned above.

Now the good part: Hunt's search for "new information about where did the Warsaw Jews go from July 22nd - September 21st 1942, specifically individuals talking about being transited during this time period ANYWHERE and surviving" came AFTER he'd released his movie supposedly proving how Treblinka was used as a transit station! About 300,000 of the Jews sent to Treblinka came from Warsaw, and by far the majority of these were sent to Treblinka in 1942. Thus, only after making his misleading movie about Treblkina, and after fleeing the SSF HD subforum debate on the movie, did Eric Hunt realize how badly he'd goofed. And that's when he made his, since withdrawn, public request to find help addressing a problem he'd been tripped up on - the embarrassing question to where Warsaw Jews were taken during 1942 and whether any were, in Hunt's phrase, "transited during this time period ANYWHERE."

No revisionist, to the best of my knowledge, has helped Hunt figure this out. Can you?
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Not interested where they went, where are the 750,000 bodies?.
That's my only interest...

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My only interest in studying triblinka it is to find out what happened to the 750,000 bodies that you claim disappeared. You change the topic on that major problem as usual.

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HDenier said:
Obviously you are new to computer searching, but this will be good, get educated..

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/ccfacts.html

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As a matter of fact you document does not make any difference between concentration camp and extermination camp. Furthermore it cites Paul Rassinier whose testimony is in complete opposition to all the others testimonies provided by people who have been in the same locations at the same time. In such cases I tend to think that the only person would provides such a diverging report is inventing what he says.

Appreciation which is confirmed by the fact that is in fact the father of holocaust denial although he never put a foot in an extermination camp.
 
HDenier said:
I guess having an opinion makes one and antisemite.

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Clearly when it's the kind of opinions you're expressing here...

By the way you have no opinion, which requires to think, but beliefs...
 
Degeneve said:
Well, you already know HDenier's motto: "if it does not fit with my beliefs, it did not exist at all"...

I therefore doubt we could get any answer based on evidences or rationnal arguments...
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Look my belief is this quote: it needs no explanation, it us the explanation. If you don't like it to bad...I read the context thanks to this forum and I believe even more than ever in his words.

“most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic *effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
–Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
Vol. 12, p. 65

Adding the words the Jew Elizabeth Loftus and her studies on false memory even wore puts the nail in the coffin to this whole hoax.
I am a real Skeptic to these holohoax lies, are you? Why are you on this list if you are not a skeptic to this? Most of you are on the wrong list you should even be here.
The list you should be on should be called myth fantasy and lies, the Holocaust..

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Nick Terry said:
Nearly 20 years ago, the social psychologist Michael Billig wrote a brief aside on Holocaust denial that is worth quoting and preserving, since it sums up the phenomenon admirably.



Michael Billig in Changing Conceptions of Conspiracy (Springer Verlag 1987), p.132

Disparagement of academia is a standard feature of fringe beliefs, as Garret Fagan noted regarding pseudoarchaeology. The flipside of that is the belief that entirely unskilled, untrained amateurs can half-digest a few pamphlets, web pages or videos and become instant experts.

Our latest revisionist visitors
  • do not seem to understand any European languages,
  • do not show any signs of having read any books on the Holocaust,
  • don't know the sources,
  • don't even know revisionist literature, and end up contradicting Leuchter et al

:jaw-dropp
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Nice try with the Billing quote. Was it long enough? The Jews do that for believing in Jesus Christ in New Testament also. They demonize him.
If Elizabeth Loftus could come into the picture here, unfortunately she is a Jew, she would destroy your whole Holocaust theory by exposing the false memories part of it.
We revisionist are like the boy in The Emperor's New Clothes.
We expose your naked Holocaust lies and you get mad at us.
Do you follow the boys lead or do you follow the foolish King and his duped subjects?

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Ivanesca said:
Pretty much, yes. But, I have to ask though. Do we still need to answer these type of questions or "arguments"? It's quite clear that HDenier, Rizoli and King are blaming the victims for their persecution. It honestly seems as if these "arguments" HD/R/K make are self defeating.
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While the current trio of Holocaust deniers is probably beyond reach of any reason on this topic, It's useful to have the discussion for the benefit of other readers. This includes both the active participants and the lurkers. With any luck, this conversation may end up getting indexed in search engines, where it may be useful for preventing others from going down the rabbit hole. We can certainly see the holocaust deniers, because they tend to be active in their denial. What we don't see are people who may have been headed that way, came across a site where the denialist claims are dealt with, and subsequently abandoned that path.
 
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HDenier said:
Blue Mountain said:
(snip)As was pointed out earlier, these are not 109 countries. The list consists of 108 locations (mostly cities) that have expelled Jews over 1,700 years. ... Not only that, but many locations are listed more than once because they had periodic fits of paranoia over the Jews and expelled them on more than one occasion. After trimming out the duplicates, I ended up with 71 locations. Of these, 46 are probably individual cities or limited regions. (Remainder of post snipped for brevity.)
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Apparently you haven't read any of Michael Hoffman's Publications.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/news.html (remainder of post snipped for brevity.)
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Thank you for demonstrating my point about reading comprehension. The post I made first debunked your claim about 109 countries, then went on to explain that the Jews were expelled not because of what they were doing but because they were Jews. You totally ignored the first part and for all I know will continue to parrot the claim of "109 countries" in the future despite having been shown wrong.
 
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Arisia said:
So, HD, how do you feel about Brazilians? [emoji14]


I know, I know, off-topic!

Okay, how do you judge Allied soldiers' accounts of what they witnessed when liberating various camps? Certainly they couldn't be influenced into saying it was worse than it actually was?
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The Brazilians are Americas Biblical "Cretans"..Titus 1:12

Well let me bring up this on topic dilemma. Some of the soldiers claim they came and liberated Auschwitz, but the problem is the Americans didn't get into Auschwitz till 10 years later. It was the Russian that liberated Auschwitz, so here we go right off the bat, we have a story that's not the truth. I think I mentioned this before when the Americans liberated these camps the people were in a pretty bad mess so the Americans gave them food unfortunately the people couldn't digest the food and thousands of them died. When you see the pictures from the American soldiers of dead people it was the Americans/allies that played a part and caused the death of those people not to Germans. Did you know that? Of course not...

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LemmyCaution said:
What "right" did Germans have to shoot Jews including entire fsmilies in the occupied east?
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Find out why they supposedly did.
War is war. What right did Americans have in Vietnam at MyLai to shoot up a whole village and murder everybody?

Read the book "Hellstorm" or watch the movie about the other side of evil against the Germans....

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LSSBB said:
I take it you have some technical analysis using fluid dynamics, physics and engineering simulations and experimental testing, in order to be able to invoke science / known physics in your reponse?
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Yes. I am not an idiot believing this gas water nonsense. Have you ever had steam pipes in your house then you'll know why sometimes they don't work. Water and Vapor/ gas don't work good together.
I've experienced this first hand.
That's my expert advise.

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HDenier said:
Yes. I am not an idiot believing this gas water nonsense. Have you ever had steam pipes in your house then you'll know why sometimes they don't work. Water and Vapor/ gas don't work good together.
I've experienced this first hand.
That's my expert advise.

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So you are backing off "science" now and going with subjective experience of home construction? Interesting way to run away from a question.
 
HDenier said:
The Brazilians are Americas Biblical "Cretans"..Titus 1:12

Well let me bring up this on topic dilemma. Some of the soldiers claim they came and liberated Auschwitz, but the problem is the Americans didn't get into Auschwitz till 10 years later. It was the Russian that liberated Auschwitz, so here we go right off the bat, we have a story that's not the truth. I think I mentioned this before when the Americans liberated these camps the people were in a pretty bad mess so the Americans gave them food unfortunately the people couldn't digest the food and thousands of them died. When you see the pictures from the American soldiers of dead people it was the Americans/allies that played a part and caused the death of those people not to Germans. Did you know that? Of course not...

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Which Americans soldiers claim they have liberated Auschwitz? Can you provide any link to this story?

As for the food given to people who were in too bad conditions to eat it it is true, at least partially, but again provide evidence that "thousands of them died".

Now let's speak about the 39 railway boxcars full of about 2000 corpses found by the US army when they liberated Dachau concentration camp. They did not eat too much or too fast. They were abandonned in closed boxcar by the SS guards and simply starved.

Just one example...
 
HDenier said:
My only interest in studying triblinka it is to find out what happened to the 750,000 bodies that you claim disappeared. You change the topic on that major problem as usual.

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While you type your keyword search into google; "jews"+"evil"+"holohoax", I'll just go right to the words of those who were actually there,

"Treblinka had nothing, just killing, and they almost finished the job. These camps left us almost nothing," he said.



Without the survivors, he said "it would just be a black hole, we would know nothing. With them, we know quite a lot," he said.



One of the men most responsible for documenting the atrocities was Eliahu Rosenberg, who was tasked with removing bodies from gas chambers and dumping them into giant pits. He passed away in September, but before his death recounted his experiences in a video testimony to Yad Vashem.



"It poisoned, choked people within 25 minutes, all would suffocate. It was terrible to hear the screaming of the women and the children. They cried: "Mama!" "Tata! (Dad)" but in a few minutes they choked to death," he said.



"The crematoriums were train rails which lay on a concrete base. On them were wood planks, we called it 'grills.' We threw the body parts onto those 'grills,' and with a match everything burnt. And we stood there ... and it burned all night, all night long."



After the revolt, the Nazis attempted to destroy all evidence of their atrocities. The camp structures were destroyed, the ground plowed and planted over. Today, all the remains at the site are a series of concrete slabs representing the train tracks, and mounds of gravel with a memorial of stone tablets representing lost communities.
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3977660,00.html

But hey at least your and your bothers Dumb and Dumber routine is entertaining right?!
 
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