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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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I don't have to explain your Holo hoax you do..

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I have to explain how YOUR theory?

No. You postulate there was a hoax. You shoulder the burden of proof. You explain how this theory fits the evidence.

Or what os the point of your posting?
 
Obviously you have the wrong opinion about why the camps created. They were supposed to be for rehabilitation. People actually could leave the camps and it's on record that people did so for you to say that people were murdered on an industrial scale is just nonsense propaganda Jewish propaganda.

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How does one have genetic impurity rehabilitated?
 
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Nearly 20 years ago, the social psychologist Michael Billig wrote a brief aside on Holocaust denial that is worth quoting and preserving, since it sums up the phenomenon admirably.

These publications have only a limited circulation; despite their outward academic appearance (Butz and others use standard academic footnoting and references), these works have little appeal to academic specialists (see, for example, Smith, 1978). Their potential markets are the failed, or would-be intellectuals, and the amateurs who dream of intellectual success where the professionals fail. This theme of the amateur making good over the so-called expert occurs time and time again in the conspiracy material in general, and the Holocaust-denial publications in particular. For example, the former director of the Institute of Historical Review begins his pamphlet, "Exiles from History;' by recognizing that there are many "who will dismiss this study as the product of an unqualified author" (p. 3). He goes on to say that the qualified academics have failed in their duties and there is a need for "amateur dissenters": "the history of progress tells us that advances are often made by dissenters-very often amateur dissenters" (p. 3). However, it is not just a matter of the amateur triumphing over the professional, but of the amateur craving to be the respected professional. Thus, the "history-makers" who hold academic qualifications are always described by their titles; the author of "Exiles from History" refers to Dr. Arthur Butz and to Dr. Robert Faurisson, just as Historical Review Press's catalogue refers to Professor Arthur Butz, the scientist who combines "the historian's mastery of documents with the technical knowledge of a scientist."

Evidence from studies of the John Birch Society in the United States has suggested that the conspiracy theory appeals particularly to those who might wish to be perceived as educated, but who have received less education than might be expected from their socioeconomic position (Grupp, 1969; Rohter, 1969). The conspiracy theory offers the chance of hidden, important, and immediate knowledge, so that the believer can become an expert, possessed of a knowledge not held even by the so-called experts. Similarly, the conspiracy theorists themselves can attain their expertise speedily. Arthur Butz perhaps revealed more than he was aware in the foreword to Hoax of the Twentieth Century (1976): In early 1972, with only a rudimentary knowledge of French and German, he "sat down" and "started to read some of the 'holocaust' literature;' in order to satisfy "my long-lingering skepticism:' Having used his "spare time" in this way for the first part of 1972, "ultimately I spent the entire summer of 1972 working on an expose of the hoax, since by then I had penetrated and demolished the whole sorry mess" (p. 7). In this way Butz combined being the "spare time" amateur with being the professional scientist who is able to spend the whole summer at his task. The publisher's catalogue repeats the story, or at least the part about the entire summer, unaware that even an entire summer represents a brief academic moment. The conspiracy theorist, thus, is to the professional historian what the treasure-hunter is to the archaeologist; only in the case of the conspiracy theorists, there is no means of convincing them that their quick dig among the documents has revealed only false gold.

Michael Billig in Changing Conceptions of Conspiracy (Springer Verlag 1987), p.132

Disparagement of academia is a standard feature of fringe beliefs, as Garret Fagan noted regarding pseudoarchaeology. The flipside of that is the belief that entirely unskilled, untrained amateurs can half-digest a few pamphlets, web pages or videos and become instant experts.

Our latest revisionist visitors
  • do not seem to understand any European languages,
  • do not show any signs of having read any books on the Holocaust,
  • don't know the sources,
  • don't even know revisionist literature, and end up contradicting Leuchter et al

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So you don't hate the Jews? Explain your concept to us, please ...
I just expose their hypocrisy like any other people,religion,cult,belief system.. They are a part Biblical AntiChrist and people should understand that.

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So, HD, how do you feel about Brazilians? :p


I know, I know, off-topic!

Okay, how do you judge Allied soldiers' accounts of what they witnessed when liberating various camps? Certainly they couldn't be influenced into saying it was worse than it actually was?
 
Why did children like Anne Frank need "rehabillitation" ?

And are you aware of what the Einsatzgruppen did before the gas chambers were created ?
They made people dig mass graves, then shot them.
[qimg]http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/Killing-Squad-Nazi-Germanys-Einsatzgruppen-1.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/hol-pix/wsaw-exec.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg/640px-Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg[/qimg]

Are you aware of the massacre in the Rumbula forest of 25,000 Jews by gunshot ?

Or the massacre at Babi Yar in Ukraine of 33,771 Jews by gunshot ?

So I ask you again, why build the camps ?
The real reason was so that the people doing the killing were more detached from their victims and less prone to psychological break down.
Put the pictures in context. You show some of the same EMOTIONAL pictures that have been explained dozens of times.
You act as though the Germans didn't have a right to shoot anybody.
Isn't one of those pictures s Russian shooter, nice try...

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"Blab blab blab complete nonsense" is you interpretation of the evidence we have about forced labor and Mittelbau-Dora? Ok then. But your claim that it was almost only Jews who were forced laborers for the Nazis kind of depends on "the zeros" - and my post never mentioned "the killing factories," in fact it mentioned the forced labor factories.
Nice to finally hear that you're referring to these camps as "labor camps" it took a long enough time for that to happen all you people used to say was they were concentration camps. Of course you do know that in these "concentration camps" that they got paid right? they actually had camp money to spend. I guess apparently they used this Camp money to buy gas mask LOL...

http://www.rense.com/lets_stop_with_the_auschwitz_lies.htm.html

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No, stories that defy science and known physics are....keep believing your fairy tales and myths.

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I take it you have some technical analysis using fluid dynamics, physics and engineering simulations and experimental testing, in order to be able to invoke science / known physics in your reponse?
 
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