General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[JimRizoli]

And?

If you are in a sealed, limited expansion space,with a saturation density, what difference would comparative weight make?

There would stil only be the volume of the chamber for it to expand into.

Sealed room....LOL With windows in it? These rooms were not sealed tight....

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JR

 

[JimRizoli]

It displays your bias, Jim. That makes it hard for people to take you seriously.

Like I'm worried about that on a website that believes in the HoloHoax...LOL

JR

 

[MRC_Hans]

Good point....how about showing how it works.
According to this site below...ZB worked great for clothing not for people and thats where all the confusion came.
People were mixing the fumigation process up with the propaganda and lies that the Germans were "gassing" people with the ZB.
Technically speaking the way the rooms that they say were gas chambers weren't set up for killing people. Killing lice yes people no.
So for me to prove it didn't happen is pretty easy because through science and technology we see it can't be done the way the camps were set up.
But you HoloHuxsters can believe the moon is made of cheese also and there is not much I can say because I was never on the moon to check it out.

http://nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html

I'm sure some of you skeptoids know the truth but refuse to accept it.
Or I hate to say have some cognitive issues you're dealing with.

JR

Ahh, so you now want to prove that hydrogen cyanide (the substance released by ZB) is harmless? Well, good luck, but I strongly discourage practical experiments.

Hans

 

[Degeneve]

Ahh, so you now want to prove that hydrogen cyanide (the substance released by ZB) is harmless? Well, good luck, but I strongly discourage practical experiments.

Hans

Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Arizona, California, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri and Wyoming State authorities have proven beyond any doubt that hydrogen cyanide kills people as they have used it to execute death penalties...

 

[Degeneve]

Sealed room....LOL With windows in it? These rooms were not sealed tight....
What are you on crack....has to be something that your smoking.

JR

Could you explain where the Windows are on this picture?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Majdanek_Komora_Gazowa.JPG

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...Concentration_Camp_-_Lublin_-_Poland_-_03.jpg

 

[Jeffk 1970]

Deportations of the Jews

The soap, skin, gloves is part of the narrative to make the Germans seem like demons. Its a major part of a psychological mind game to destroy Germans, and guess what? it worked. Those stories just stuck the nail deeper for gullible people to accept. WITHOUT these stories the Jews were treated just like other prisoners. They captivity wasn't pleasant but they weren't on the extermination list. Jehovah's Witnesses had a much greater problem than the Jews. I have a 700 page book discussing their plight and nowhere in the major text are gas chambers mentioned and these people were right along some of these Jews in the camps.

I could care less about your Jewish transports concerns, like it was all about just Jews as always. That is your story to tell. I've showed many many lies the whole holohoax narrative has made. That fact in itself would make you skeptics start asking more questions. You don't need lies and myths to make your story if was was the truth from the beginning..

The holohoax is like Domestic abuse but with the lady going to court lieing all the time against her faithful wonderful husband. She makes up false stories because she was the unfaithful one, the evil bitch, to make the man look bad and guess what, she usually wins. The holohoax is nothing more than domestic abuse against the public by the Jews. Their lies are being exposed as we, the public review the court ( holohoax ) records, and they are not happy about it, just like some of you aren't happy with it.

Your information you ask is just to take everyone off the trail of the myths and lies...nice try....

Th Jews have hijacked WW2 and made it their story, and one filled with lies as is expected...America was in that war, are you knowledgeable about how many AMERICANS died in that war? I wasn't, WHY? Because of the 6 million BS nonsense. The Jews story and their live even became more important than American lives...Wake up people..

Approximately 400,000 US citizens died during WW II. Does it make you feel better that I know that?

Actually we really need to know what happened to the deported Jews if they didn't die, HD. Until you can provide that information there's really nothing about Holocaust denial I can take seriously.

 

[Elagabalus]

Jeff....I'm still waiting for a picture of a real live homicidal gas chamber, a person who was killed in one, pictures of mass graves with millions of bodies.
Seems to be a reasonable request.....the links and pics you're showing are laughable.
Try using them in a court of law and see how far you get.

JR

I believe they have been used in a number of "Courts of Law" in various countries since the end of WWII. And they have stood up to the scrutiny of those courts and proven to be authentic.


Over to you, Jim

 

[Jeffk 1970]

Sealed room....LOL With windows in it? These rooms were not sealed tight....
What are you on crack....has to be something that your smoking.

JR

What is your proof these rooms were not sealed tight?

Do you think you can't seal a room with windows?

 

[Jeffk 1970]

Sealed room....LOL With windows in it? These rooms were not sealed tight....

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Jeff....I'm still waiting for a picture of a real live homicidal gas chamber, a person who was killed in one, pictures of mass graves with millions of bodies.
Seems to be a reasonable request.....the links and pics you're showing are laughable.
Try using them in a court of law and see how far you get.

JR

Jim, I'm still waiting on a copy of that report.

Do you have it? Or not?

 

[LemmyCaution]

I could care less about your Jewish transports concerns, like it was all about just Jews as always. That is your story to tell.

Just because you favor photographs and Hogan's Heroes, you don't get to rule out important parts of the Holocaust. Even revisionists like Hunt or Mattogno know that the deportations and transports of Jews have to be explained. That is why, as Jeffk_1970 told you, they've come up with a false narrative about resettlement, one they have been unable to prove.

Earlier in this thread we listed some of the gaffes that Eric Hunt made trying to explain Treblinka transports. Hunt got so thrashed on his claims that he went as far as to post an appeal to revisionists to . . . let me link to a post describing his request and showing screenshots from Hunt's pitch so you can read it in his own words:

I would like to form a team to get as much new information about where did the Warsaw Jews go from July 22nd - September 21st 1942, specifically individuals talking about being transited during this time period ANYWHERE and surviving.

This is one of the perceived holes in the Revisionist case and if we can help plug it up more than has been done by Mattogno, Graf, Kues, it will do a great service to our cause. In fact if we could get enough information it'd be all over for the Treblinka hoax.

So this is interesting, and I'll go slowly out of deference to your apparent lack of familiarity with this material and expressed lack of interest in it: As background, in 1943, not during 1942, approximately 2500 Jews were taken through Treblinka to other camps (as summarized in posts linked to previously by a number of us); the shuffling of a few 1000s of Jews through Treblinka was "reported" as early as the Düsseldorf Treblinka trial in 1965 - but such shuffles of victims were to other camps, not for "resettlement" as deniers like to have it. This minor shuffling of a couple 1000 prisoners is what Hunt tried building into a case for Treblinka's being a transit camp and part of a large resettlement operation.

Hunt claimed that he would show 10s and 10s of 1000s more Jews transited through Treblinka (he never did). Thus, nearly 800,000 Jews deported to Treblinka remain unexplained by Hunt. Further, Hunt hadn't noticed that none of the so-called transited Jews were shuffled to other places in 1942, only in the latter phases of Treblinka's existence, in 1943. Further, many of the not-quite 2500 inmates shuffled wound up in the Lublin area camps and were killed in Action Erntefest several months later. We are talking about fewer than 1% of the Jews deported to Treblinka (actually fewer than a half of 1%) - that's what Hunt tried to make into evidence for the resettlement of 800,000 Jews.

Unable to explain himself on these issues, Hunt apparently became desperate and posted his cry for help mentioned above.

Now the good part: Hunt's search for "new information about where did the Warsaw Jews go from July 22nd - September 21st 1942, specifically individuals talking about being transited during this time period ANYWHERE and surviving" came AFTER he'd released his movie supposedly proving how Treblinka was used as a transit station! About 300,000 of the Jews sent to Treblinka came from Warsaw, and by far the majority of these were sent to Treblinka in 1942. Thus, only after making his misleading movie about Treblkina, and after fleeing the SSF HD subforum debate on the movie, did Eric Hunt realize how badly he'd goofed. And that's when he made his, since withdrawn, public request to find help addressing a problem he'd been tripped up on - the embarrassing question to where Warsaw Jews were taken during 1942 and whether any were, in Hunt's phrase, "transited during this time period ANYWHERE."

No revisionist, to the best of my knowledge, has helped Hunt figure this out. Can you?

 

[JimRizoli]

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No revisionist, to the best of my knowledge, has helped Hunt figure this out. Can you?

I'm still reading the Gerstein Report that talks about the 40 million Jews being killed....Oooopps....Then lowered to 25 million....Ooops.....
Then lowered to the Cultish 6 million.....getting closer....
And that 120 high pile of clothes, and the 75 pile of shoes....
Get the picture.....You rely on this nut case Gerstein for your facts.....
Then you want us to prove what happened to 800,000 Jews ??
Sadly they survived to torment us for the next billion years....
You disavow all the pertinent facts that destroy your HoloHoax version
and try to make issues with the stupidest nonsense that doesn't change a thing about the HoloHoax happening or not happening.
You refuse to address the real Eyewitnesses of the camps like Thies Christopherson who saw NO evidence of any gassings whatsoever.....but what the hell why listen to him, he might expose your HoloHoax scam.
Not to mention the first one to expose the lie Paul Rassinier.
You pick and chose what you want and then have the nerve to ask us to prove a negative....good luck with that.

Then you get hooked up on this site making it look like you care about investigation of topics yet you believe this Holohoax 100% not even a peep about all the liars who been spilling their lies for 75 years.
Your sadly not honorable people when it comes down to the HoloHoax...

When an honest man honestly mistaken comes face to face with undeniable and irrefutable truth he is faced with one of two choices he must either cease being mistaken or cease being honest.

JR

 

[JimRizoli]

What is your proof these rooms were not sealed tight?

Do you think you can't seal a room with windows?

Are you serious....Have you looked at Krema 1 in Auschwitz?
Boy, you are even more gone and unaware of things that I thought.
Plenty of pictures of what a big open unsealable room is, must be that wooden door and glass pane window that gives it away....and lets not forget those windows in the crematorium....LOL

JR

 

[LemmyCaution]

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No revisionist, to the best of my knowledge, has helped Hunt figure this out. Can you?

I'm still reading the Gerstein Report that talks about the 40 million Jews being killed....Oooopps....Then lowered to 25 million....Ooops.....

Who cares? We've already dealt with your confusion about this.

Then lowered to the Cultish 6 million.....getting closer....

Of course, scholars estimate a non-cultish 5.1-6.3 million victims. But don't let that stand in the way of the fun you're having with yourself.

And that 120 high pile of clothes, and the 75 pile of shoes....

Not germane.

Get the picture.....

Yes, you're dodging.

You rely on this nut case Gerstein for your facts.....

I've not even mentioned Gerstein - except to reply to you and explain that Hilberg's estimate for deaths at Belzec and Treblinka was about 1/20 of what you wanted it to be.

Then you want us to prove what happened to 800,000 Jews ??

If you want to claim resettlement - and help Hunt out - I want you to explain what happened to nearly 300,000 Warsaw Jews in 1942. I thought I was quite clear about what I was requesting. Apparently not. Let me try again:I want you to explain what happened to nearly 300,000 Warsaw Jews in 1942.

Sadly they survived to torment us for the next billion years....

Tell us then, to begin with about the fate of the family of Oscar Strawczynski and about what became of Meir Berliner, Dr. Julian Chorazycki, Artur Gold, Janusz Korsczak and the children from his orphanage, Abraham Lewin and his family, and Chaim Kaplan.

You disavow all the pertinent facts that destroy your HoloHoax version

Jim, to be clear, I asked you a question.

I am happy to discuss what you think is a fact I disavow; but, first, on my dime, I'd like you to answer what I asked you.

You refuse to address the real Eyewitnesses of the camps like Thies Christopherson

I do?

Again, I ask you not to make false accusations about me or other members. I've posted elsewhere about Christopherson.

Not to mention the first one to expose the lie Paul Rassinier.

What does this mean? It isn't even a sentence.

You pick and chose what you want and then have the nerve to ask us to prove a negative....good luck with that.

No, I asked you to prove a positive: where the nearly 300,000 Jews who lived in Warsaw in June 1942 but no longer lived there in December 1942 went. Apparently this is not something you can do.

Then you get hooked up on this site making it look like you care about investigation of topics yet you believe this Holohoax 100% not even a peep about all the liars who been spilling their lies for 75 years.
Your sadly not honorable people when it comes down to the HoloHoax...

More scrambled and distracting verbiage from you that is both incomprehensible and irrelevant to what I asked you. Please stay with the topic.

 

[Ivanesca]

Really, you're alleging that America's role in WWII and the winning thereof has been suppressed in favour of the Holocaust? What planet are you from?

I would tell HDenier that the opposite was true: America's role in WWII has been overemphasized, resulting not only in the minimizing of the Holocaust but the entire Eastern War. It's because we see most of WWII from the American perspective that most people (including Rizoli and HDenier) associate the Holocaust with the US/British liberated western camps like Buchenwald, Dachau and Belsen. Even though the majority of inmates at these places were not Jews, and that Jews only started to make up a large percentage towards the end of the war. The US did not liberate Auschwitz, the ghettoes, the AR camps or stumble across the EG massacre sites where the majority of the victims died, which is why these are relatively unknown in the mainstream media, and why American deniers such as Rizoli and HDenier are not aware of and avoid these topics.

HDenier is not of this world, apparently.

 

[Ivanesca]

Are you serious....Have you looked at Krema 1 in Auschwitz?
Boy, you are even more gone and unaware of things that I thought.
Plenty of pictures of what a big open unsealable room is, must be that wooden door and glass pane window that gives it away....and lets not forget those windows in the crematorium....LOL

JR

Krema1 was not the only gas chamber in Auschwitz. And there are documents indicating that the door and pretty much everything else in Krema II were gas tight

http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/

At the far right, we see that there are the categories of "Brausen" (showers, showerheads) and the written-in inventory item "Gasdichtetur" (gas-tight door). We see that Leichenkeller 1 has 14 showerheads and a gas-tight door.

 

[JimRizoli]

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if you look at the original pictures of Krema one you'll see it had a wooden door with a window pane in it you have to be completely out of your mind to think that place was a gas chamber.
The source that you are getting that information from it's completely bogus they must think people that believe this stuff are completely nuts because it makes no sense when you look at the original building.

JR

 

[LemmyCaution]

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you have to be completely out of your mind . . . people that believe this stuff are completely nuts . . .

Ok.

 

[abaddon]

Krema1 was not the only gas chamber in Auschwitz. And there are documents indicating that the door and pretty much everything else in Krema II were gas tight

http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/

And so it goes.

Nazi Germany.

First deployed jet fighter? No problem.

First ICBM? No problem.

Plugging leaks? Nope.

It would seem that the proponents consider the nazi regime to be super powerful or utterly incompetent morons as suits the argument du jour.

It is the ultimate fanfic.

 

[Ivanesca]

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if you look at the original pictures of Krema one you'll see it had a wooden door with a window pane in it you have to be completely out of your mind to think that place was a gas chamber.
The source that you are getting that information from it's completely bogus they must think people that believe this stuff are completely nuts because it makes no sense when you look at the original building.

JR

Rizoli called me "nuts", wow.

Seriously though, no. This is one of the official construction documents for Krema II. Its authenticity is beyond doubt, due to there being no American or Russian policy to forge such documents. It's circumstantial evidence, for sure, but it's extremely compelling circumstantial evidence, especially when considered in light of other evidence. Rizoli has no basis to doubt this, other than his baseless fantasies which he himself has admitted that he can't prove.

 

[abaddon]

Rizoli called me "nuts", wow.

Seriously though, no. This is one of the official construction documents for Krema II. Its authenticity is beyond doubt, due to there being no American or Russian policy to forge such documents. It's circumstantial evidence, for sure, but it's extremely compelling circumstantial evidence, especially when considered in light of other evidence. Rizoli has no basis to doubt this, other than his baseless fantasies which he himself has admitted that he can't prove.

Weeeellllllll.

My sister lives in Munich and has done for many years. She is a translator. Her employer manufactures industrial ovens.

Bavaria, ovens? Need I proceed?