General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[A'isha]

The Allies made up the HoloHoax and got the Jews to go along with it to cover up the (allies) crimes against humanity.

What allied "crime" was concealed by the Holocaust?

When the Jews saw that doing so would also bail them out of their own lie (they actually were providing the labor for the German War machine) it was a win win for all the HoloHoaxers.

The Jews not only managed to make up the Holocaust, they were actually responsible for the German war machine? What sort of demented alternate reality are you living in, anyway?

 

[JimRizoli]

What allied "crime" was concealed by the Holocaust?



The Jews not only managed to make up the Holocaust, they were actually responsible for the German war machine? What sort of demented alternate reality are you living in, anyway?

The Jews provided most of the Labor for the German War Machine.......even though they were lousy workers. The Germans found that out later....
Lots of sabatoge etc....of course when found to do those things they were promptly executed...and rightly so.

JR

 

[JimRizoli]

Jewish Control of America

Because Jews don't control the USA and never did. America's cold war interests took precedence over punishing the men who murdered Jews, therefore America didn't care. It's over: your lie upthread about "The Holocaust burying America's victory" is just that: a lie. America didn't care: General Patton and J.Edgar Hoover were antisemites who sympathized with the Nazis more than they did the Jews. Hoover even wiretapped activists who tried to expose ex Nazis living in the USA. It's over: your Hoax never happened.

HDenier probably thinks the Iraq war never happened since GWB is still free as a bird.

Good article about the Jews control of things....

http://www.rense.com/general59/sdom.htm

 

[Ivanesca]

The Allies made up the HoloHoax and got the Jews to go along with it to cover up the (allies) crimes against humanity. When the Jews saw that doing so would also bail them out of their own lie (they actually were providing the labor for the German War machine) it was a win win for all the HoloHoaxers.

With all this Holohoax set into play now the story could be molded any which way to promote their lie. That's why the story keeps changing......one lie gets exposed another takes its place.
Good to see the HoloHuxsters here are part of the coverup.....

JR

Whoah. Rizoli's asserting that the "Allies" were the ones who "controlled" the Jews, now. So he's abandoned the fantasy of the Jews controlling the world and has broken away from HDenier's repeated insistence that Jews "control" the world. It's small, but it's a start.

And, no. The Allies didn't manufacture the Holocaust. Your buddy proved that with operation Paperclip. Thanks for playing, though. It's you and your friends' narratives that keep changing: not the Holocaust.

 

[HDenier]

Those things ARE part of the whole holohoax story. Without them you have no story. You can't pick and choose here. If these things I mentioned are not important then your holohoax falls to pieces, it shows you the lies, the cover ups and that the whole Gringauz quote is totally rtrue...
The more I stay on the list the more it proves my holohoax point. Operation Paper Clip was a new avenuev for research. Germanys best scientist come to America and not one is prosecuted for war crimes against humanity or being part of the final solution, why? Because there was no holocaust.

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[JimRizoli]

Whoah. Rizoli's asserting that the "Allies" were the ones who "controlled" the Jews, now. So he's abandoned the fantasy of the Jews controlling the world and has broken away from HDenier's repeated insistence that Jews "control" the world. It's small, but it's a start.

And, no. The Allies didn't manufacture the Holocaust. Your buddy proved that with operation Paperclip. Thanks for playing, though. It's you and your friends' narratives that keep changing: not the Holocaust.

Sorry Ivan...The Jews control EVERYTHING! They even run this site....
How can a site that is skeptical of EVERYTHING in life believe the HoloHoax.....makes NO SENSE!
You do know it all comes back to the Jews.....

JR

 

[A'isha]

The Jews provided most of the Labor for the German War Machine.......even though they were lousy workers. The Germans found that out later....

Slave labor, especially in a modern industrial state, tends to be that way.

Lots of sabatoge etc....of course when found to do those things they were promptly executed...and rightly so.

You believe the Nazis were justified in enslaving Jews and executing any who resisted, do you?

 

[A'isha]

You can't pick and choose here.

You certainly do, when you ignore what Gringauz was actually talking about in his quote, and every time you ignore the lies spread by your fellow deniers about what the "expert report" at the Vienna trial and what Lemkin's book said.

 

[HDenier]

It also suggests a rather misanthropic and sectarian approach to life and humanity on the part of someone dismissing 99.9% of those whom he imagines as "his people."


No, they represent its underbelly and seem not to have learned how to hide that ugly side and try prettifying it with pseudo-scholarship and pedantry, like a Mattogno or Graf.


Even so, the gussied up, faux scholarly stuff falls apart when you poke it: the difference is that with this trio, it falls apart before you poke it.


Although this one seems to have dispensed with even the semblance of "research" . . . and proudly too.

You people are getting pissed because we are making you and your holohoax lies accountable to scrutiny.
I would bet your are finding it hard to to understand winning an argument when Van Pelt says 99% of the holocuast is not provable...you people are only working on 1% facts, we are working on 99% facts, whose side do you really want to be on? Time to start crying like babies now, boo hoo, mommy help me.....

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[trustbutverify]

Sorry Ivan...The Jews control EVERYTHING! They even run this site....
How can a site that is skeptical of EVERYTHING in life believe the HoloHoax.....makes NO SENSE!
You do know it all comes back to the Jews.....

JR

Which Jews run this site? Specifically.

 

[A'isha]

You people are getting pissed because we are making you and your holohoax lies accountable to scrutiny.

So far the only lies spread in this thread have been the ones told by your fellow deniers.

 

[HDenier]

The need for more Kremas? Lots of people staterted dying because of typhus. Even SS people died...Kremas prove a high death rate. That death rate was attributed to typhus and other sicknesses. HOMOCIDAL gassings wasn't one of them. Jehovah's Witnesses were in Auschwitz, in a 700 page book and in the major story not one mention is made of any homicidal gas chambers. NONE, ZIP.......Why? Because there weren't any.....The Auschwitz death volumes mention all the deaths, not ONE of homicidal gassings is mentioned, NONE,ZIP... Why? Because there were no homicidal gassings. Those are myths, made up stories....Degaulle, Churchill and Eisenhower have autobiographies, NONE mention any homicidal gas chambers, NONE, ZIP, why? Because there weren't any....it would be like mentioning a biography on President Bush, and making no mention of 911...it would be impossible unless the biographer was an idiot...

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[A'isha]

The need for more Kremas? Lots of people staterted dying because of typhus.

Far more died because they were murdered.

Jehovah's Witnesses were in Auschwitz, in a 700 page book and in the major story not one mention is made of any homicidal gas chambers. NONE, ZIP.......

Oh look. Another lie.

The book calls Auschwitz an extermination camp, and describes the selection process which resulted in people being sent to the gas chambers.

 

[DianeKayKing]

TRUE REASON FOR BEGINNING OF WWII, Not Hitler, but the Poles and their rotten alliances with Britain and France. It wasn't about the Germans crossing the border into Poland (or they'd have declared war against the Soviet Union who did the same thing with their own invasion) it was about destroying Germany ON ANY PRETENSE.

"The historical record, as represented by the German government at the time, on Bromberg "Bloody Sunday" and related incidents -- 58,000 claimed dead or missing by Feb 1940. (WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBERS? Are these numbers exaggerated? Probably, but not by much, certainly nowhere near as much as the way Poles and Jews exaggerate their numbers of dead. These historical facts were confirmed by the East-German historian Theodor Bierschenk in 1954, and the Social-Democrat journalist Otto Heike in 1955, on the basis of Polish documents. There were 12,857 identified dead in the Bromberg area, leaving a large number of unidentified dead there, and many more dead elsewhere. Both Hoggan (The Forced War) and de Zayas (Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau) basically agree with these conclusions.)"

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm

http://www.thefuhrerbunker.com/WWII.htm

 

[Ivanesca]

The more I stay on the list the more it proves my holohoax point. Operation Paper Clip was a new avenuev for research. Germanys best scientist come to America and not one is prosecuted for war crimes against humanity or being part of the final solution, why?

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Because Jews don't control the US. And because America's cold war agenda outweighed punishing the men who persecuted and murdered Jews. The Holocaust happened and America did not fake it; in fact they buried it for their agenda. There was no hoax. Never was.

 

[DianeKayKing]

So far the only lies spread in this thread have been the ones told by your fellow deniers.

Well, not true, AISHA. Lying about an event that could NOT POSSIBLY have happened in its day --- the gruesome "Horror Disneyland" y'all love to trot out in the face of OBVIOUS facts like how crematoria operate.

I'm not sure you are a liar, just GROSSLY MISINFORMED and all too willing to believe THE LIE of the holohoax.

 

[A'isha]

I'm not sure you are a liar

Good, because I'm not. You, on the other hand, posted untruths about Lemkin's book which you still haven't answered for.

 

[JimRizoli]

Good, because I'm not. You, on the other hand, posted untruths about Lemkin's book which you still haven't answered for.

Like DK said you are grossly misinformed as are most of the HoloHuxsters here....

JR

 

[Border Reiver]

Quote from the Scrapbookpages site.....somone who gets it...

That’s a very good comment, Mr Rizoli – why aren’t the Nazi Hunters going after the “Operation Paper Clip” scientists. Is it because it is much easier to persecute (sorry, prosecute) elderly pensioners in Germany who only had lowly roles in the camps, and never did any harm to anyone in their lives, rather than seek out the comfortably-off, and heavily protected, former scientists and technologists who now live in America and who authorised and carried out operations in the labour camps and war industries.
The hypocrisy, and phony righteousness of these ongoing trials in Germany makes me sick.


I agree 100%

JR

The existence of prosecutorial discretion proves that crime doesn't happen?

 

[DianeKayKing]

Because Jews don't control the US. And because America's cold war agenda outweighed punishing the men who persecuted and murdered Jews. The Holocaust happened and America did not fake it; in fact they buried it for their agenda. There was no hoax. Never was.

This information is a matter of public record, so NO copyright laws have been broken.

Number of CONGRESSMAN, positions in government who have DUAL-CITIZENSHIP with Israel, which shows a SERIOUS conflict of interest when bills miraculously emerge to send more money to Israel - it's like having a fifth column, and this doesn't even include the POWER BROKERS - you know the megabillionaires who all seem to have jewish ethnic origins - Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Kissinger - you know, 'the good ole boy network'.

http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767

“If Americans were ever polled on it—and they never are—the majority who now object to increasing aid to Israel would also likely object to quasi-governmental and governmental positions being staffed by people who—by citizenship or sheer strength of identity politics—are primarily occupied with advancing Israeli interests rather than those of the United States. It is obvious that the real reason AIPAC and its economic luminaries such as Fischer never substantiate any of the advertised benefits the U.S.-Israel “special relationship” delivers to America in return for all of the costs is simple—there simply aren’t any. As greater Dual Citizennumbers of Americans become aware that the entire “special relationship” framework is sustained by nothing more than Israel lobby campaign-finance and propaganda networks, the harder the lobby will have to work… In the very short term, Americans can only fight such undue Israel lobby influence by again—like during the drive to attack Syria—staging a mass action to demand their senators reject Stanley Fischer’s nomination,” Grant Smith, IRMEP

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10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
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12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
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15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
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18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
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24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
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34. Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
35. Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer

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Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
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