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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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HDenier said:
People become sympathetic to their victimization even though these Jewish workers were part of the killing process. These workers invent those stories to cover their evil they did in the camps. Some of these Jewish Kapos were mean sob's.
So to cover up their actions they blame others.
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The Jews made up the Holocaust to cover up their involvement in perpetrating the Holocaust?
 
A'isha said:
The Jews made up the Holocaust to cover up their involvement in perpetrating the Holocaust?
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Amazing people, those Jews, 'cuz not only this but they deserved what they got, but Hitler didn't really harm a hair on anyone's head.
 
turingtest said:
. . . . for all I know, HD may regard that as a perfectly "reputable" Christian approach- the "99.9%" thing suggests so . . .
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It also suggests a rather misanthropic and sectarian approach to life and humanity on the part of someone dismissing 99.9% of those whom he imagines as "his people."

turingtest said:
are these folks (HD, JR, and DKK) really the best, or even representative, of the movement?
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No, they represent its underbelly and seem not to have learned how to hide that ugly side and try prettifying it with pseudo-scholarship and pedantry, like a Mattogno or Graf.

turingtest said:
Because if they are, that may be all I really need to know about it.
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Even so, the gussied up, faux scholarly stuff falls apart when you poke it: the difference is that with this trio, it falls apart before you poke it.

turingtest said:
As usual with CTists, the idea seems to be to define "research" as leading with a conclusion and supporting it with disconnected "gotchas!"
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Although this one seems to have dispensed with even the semblance of "research" . . . and proudly too.
 
HDenier said:
There were no homicidal gas chambers. No Jews to soap, no Jews to wallets or lampshades, no Jews killed by head bashing machines No Jews killed by atomic bombs no Jews electrocuted no Jews put on a conveyor belt and killed no Jews lived within 10 feet have a crematorium, and lastly the whole holohoax narrative.

The most devastating observation on the credibility of these holocaust yarn-spinners was made by a Judaic sociologist sixty years ago:
"...most of the memoirs and reports [of 'Holocaust survivors'] arefull of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks...”
--Samuel Gringauz, "Jewish Social Studies" (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.

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Wait, I think I've heard this before.....hhhhhhmmmm....
 
HDenier said:
There were no homicidal gas chambers. No Jews to soap, no Jews to wallets or lampshades, no Jews killed by head bashing machines No Jews killed by atomic bombs no Jews electrocuted no Jews put on a conveyor belt and killed no Jews lived within 10 feet have a crematorium, and lastly the whole holohoax narrative.
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Except for the gas chambers, what does soap, wallets, lampshades, atomic bombs, etc. have to do with anything?

As for Jews living at the Kremas, here we have information about the revolt of the Sonderkommando at Krema IV:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-auschwitz-birkenau-sonderkommando.html?m=1

Among other things it lists the actions taken but it also shows the number of workers assigned to each Krema. Now, this shows a lot of personnel assigned. Why would these Kremas need so many workers? Also, why does Birkenau itself need that many crematoriums, HD?
 
If there was a real "holocaust" these scientist would never have come to the USA. That's the point....There was never a real "holocaust" to begin with, it became a holocaust hoax latter. You people never seem to get it....these scientist were all part of the German war machine yet they get away with not having anything to do with the largest planned murder of people on the earth? Why? Because the holocaust never was a holocaust as they want you to believe, thus the lies, cover ups, misinformation. Thanks for letting me connect the dots here on this scientist thing or what was it, Operation Paper Clip?...now it makes sense. Again, if there was a real "holocaust" these scientist would never have come to the USA, they would have been prosecuted. They would have had all the secrets to the "finnal solution", funny how nobody asked them about it that I am aware of. All the so called players of this suppossed crime of the century and no connection, not a peep.....wow..it all makes sense now....the vindictive Jews would never have allowed this. If they could and can go out after a 95 four-year-old bookkeepers they certainly would have gone after these big players in the final solution. But since there was no final solution and these people had no part of it, the Jews themselves are saying by their innactions of prosecution there was no real "Holocaust" and that was it invented later. There is no other way to bring these scientist to America. If the scientists were part of the final solution and the United States knew about it then the United States was compliant in hiding this fact and the United States is guilty of war crimes. Right or wrong here?

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HDenier said:
The Jews have been kicked out of over a hundred and nine countries there must be a reason why this has happened the only country that has not kicked the Jews out has been the United States of America, unfortunately or fortunately for us Germany ask the Jews to leave because they ruined the country. The Weimar Republic was wrapped in filth back in the twenties and thirties and a lot of it had to do with the Jews and their view point of morality and what they let come into the country, people don't understand that the United States of America is in the exact same position that Weimar Germany before Hitler took power we are suffering the same consequences. That Weimar Germany suffered, so you tell me if the Jews have anything to do with the country and its morality.
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The Jews were patriotic citizens of Germany and fought in large numbers in WWI. Wiemar Germany was ruined by the Versailles Treaty and the Stock Market crash of 1929, not by "the Jews". Besides, it was a much better place than Nazi Germany, no KL's, no Gestapo, no mad dictator waging genocidal wars.

America is not dominated by Jews, there has never been a Jewish president, and the current administration has taken a tough stance against Netenyahu. It is still the most powerful country in the world, not comparable to Wiemar Germany at all.
 
HDenier said:
If there was a real "holocaust" these scientist would never have come to the USA. That's the point....There was never a real "holocaust" to begin with, it became a holocaust hoax latter. You people never seem to get it....these scientist were all part of the German war machine yet they get away with not having anything to do with the largest planned murder of people on the earth? Why? Because the holocaust never was a holocaust as they want you to believe, thus the lies, cover ups, misinformation. Thanks for letting me connect the dots here on this scientist thing or what was it, Operation Paper Clip?...now it makes sense. Again, if there was a real "holocaust" these scientist would never have come to the USA, they would have been prosecuted. They would have had all the secrets to the "finnal solution", funny how nobody asked them about it that I am aware of. All the so called players of this suppossed crime of the century and no connection, not a peep.....wow..it all makes sense now....the vindictive Jews would never have allowed this. If they could and can go out after a 95 four-year-old bookkeepers they certainly would have gone after these big players in the final solution. But since there was no final solution and these people had no part of it, the Jews themselves are saying by their innactions of prosecution there was no real "Holocaust" and that was it invented later. There is no other way to bring these scientist to America. If the scientists were part of the final solution and the United States knew about it then the United States was compliant in hiding this fact and the United States is guilty of war crimes. Right or wrong here?

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The fact that the hero of the US rocket program, Wenher von Braun, made use of concentration camp slave laborers to build V-2s for the Nazis has been known for decades. His knowledge of the German rocketry program was valuable enough for that to be overlooked by the US government, but it wasn't exactly hidden.

Lemkin's description of the genocide of the Jews, incidentally, predates von Braun's surrender, and was certainly not made up after the fact.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Not only do you repeat your misunderstanding of how historians come to understand the past (they don't look for a smoking gun but develop narratives and explanations for all the evidence that exists) but every claim you make is simply false (there were indeed in Birkenau gas chambers traces of Zyklon B consistent with their use to murder people - http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-04.html, http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/affweb.pdf), "Jews to soap" is not an argument used by scholars to prove anything and in fact has been systematically debunked by Holocaust scholar Joachim Neander, ditto rumors about lampshades (discussed perviously in this thread) - and again you misuse Gringauz's words.
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Your links are nonsense. Not a molecule can be found on the walls, means, it never was there in the first place. These excuses are getting to be laughable.

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LemmyCaution said:
No, they represent its underbelly and seem not to have learned how to hide that ugly side and try prettifying it with pseudo-scholarship and pedantry, like a Mattogno or Graf.
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Graf is a blatant, open antisemite, not at all different from our three subjects. Mattogno is not much better.
 
HDenier said:
If there was a real "holocaust" these scientist would never have come to the USA. That's the point....There was never a real "holocaust" to begin with, it became a holocaust hoax latter. You people never seem to get it....these scientist were all part of the German war machine yet they get away with not having anything to do with the largest planned murder of people on the earth? Why? Because the holocaust never was a holocaust as they want you to believe, thus the lies, cover ups, misinformation. Thanks for letting me connect the dots here on this scientist thing or what was it, Operation Paper Clip?...now it makes sense. Again, if there was a real "holocaust" these scientist would never have come to the USA, they would have been prosecuted. They would have had all the secrets to the "finnal solution", funny how nobody asked them about it that I am aware of. All the so called players of this suppossed crime of the century and no connection, not a peep.....wow..it all makes sense now....the vindictive Jews would never have allowed this. If they could and can go out after a 95 four-year-old bookkeepers they certainly would have gone after these big players in the final solution. But since there was no final solution and these people had no part of it, the Jews themselves are saying by their innactions of prosecution there was no real "Holocaust" and that was it invented later. There is no other way to bring these scientist to America. If the scientists were part of the final solution and the United States knew about it then the United States was compliant in hiding this fact and the United States is guilty of war crimes. Right or wrong here?

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Miss the point, much? These scientists were hired by the USA because they didn't care about their participation in mass murder. Why didn't they care? Because contrary to your assumptions and assertions Jews don't control the USA. They never have, they never will. It doesn't get any more explicit than Joe McCarthy and J.Edgar Hoover demonizing Jews who tried to raise attention to this as "communist sympathizers".

Why are you so surprised by the way? The US protects criminals all the time. Just look at George W. Bush.
 
Why don't they go after the Operation Paperclip scientist who were illegally brought over to the several countries that were used for their expertise in rockets, weaponry etc....
About Operation Paperclip....and their killing of Jews
They would be actually good targets for trial considering that the Jews in some of the camps worked on the rockets and war related things.
These scientist weren't touched by any of the courts.......yet they were the ones responsible for using the Jews labor for the German War effort. If they can bring people to court who worked on the Crematories, railroads, and other users of Jewish labor why not the German Scientist (who eventually ended up here) who actually used Jews for labor and were responsible for some of their deaths?
I guess the court is quiet on this one. Selective prosecution because some of the scientist WERE JEWS.

JR
 
Notice the last very sentence:

"The list of the Nazi crimes perpetrated in Poland and during the Holocaust is long enough. It will

not become significantly shorter, if an alleged crime is deleted from it, but it will

become more trustworthy."

Apparently this story, a much exaggerated and blown up incident, was, and Is typical of this holohoax as we have been saying all the time. The original story said by witnesses makes it sound like they had stores selling this product on every corner...like everything else, the Jews took this story and ran with it....
We have many products today that have urine in it. We also have products specially women makeup that have material that came from babies placentas, I can imagine how these stories can be taken and could be taken if the Jews were still in concentration camps now...I could just see the headlines. OMG..
"Auschwitz Jewish babies used for facial cream"..."Mengele turns babies into eye liner and lipstick"


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A'isha said:
The fact that the hero of the US rocket program, Wenher von Braun, made use of concentration camp slave laborers to build V-2s for the Nazis has been known for decades. His knowledge of the German rocketry program was valuable enough for that to be overlooked by the US government, but it wasn't exactly hidden.

Lemkin's description of the genocide of the Jews, incidentally, predates von Braun's surrender, and was certainly not made up after the fact.
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Seriously, though. Paperclip is the final nail in the coffin to the myth of the Jews controlling the USA. The Holocaust happened. The US hiring Nazi scientists proves that they simply didn't care about the genocide against the Jews because they weren't controlled by Jews. If it didn't happen, then they were following their own agenda and not "going along" with the "narrative" the Jews were allegedly trying to spin, also proving that they're not controlled by Jews. The two are mutually exclusive.

HDenier is a conspiracy theorist in every sense of the word: everything that demolishes his fantasies is spun and made a part of that conspiracy.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
No Mondail. Please read the previous posts in this thread before posting. We have already dealt with David Cole's lies. David Cole lies and misquotes Michael Shermer. Here is just one clear example already mentioned.

In 1993 Michael Shermer's recorded quote said " I think the gas chamber story, in terms of physical evidence is the weakest link." David Cole lied and claimed "Michael Shermer thinks the gas chambers are the weakest link in the whole story" in 2014.

Do you agree David Cole is misquoting Dr Shermer? Yes or No?
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The gas chambers are the biggest link, Shermer says the link is weak, thus it could be true to say what he said is true..if the gas chambers story is false then the holohoax falls apart. Who was it that said ( Van Pelt? ) that 99% of the Holocaust can't be proven.? Not very good odds at proving something supposedly backed up by Witnesses, documentation, and facts... go to court and tell the judge "yes your honor we have 99% of our case that is unprovable but we want to present our case"....that's why we call it the holohoax.

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A'isha said:
The Jews made up the Holocaust to cover up their involvement in perpetrating the Holocaust?
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The Allies made up the HoloHoax and got the Jews to go along with it to cover up the (allies) crimes against humanity. When the Jews saw that doing so would also bail them out of their own lie (they actually were providing the labor for the German War machine) it was a win win for all the HoloHoaxers.

With all this Holohoax set into play now the story could be molded any which way to promote their lie. That's why the story keeps changing......one lie gets exposed another takes its place.
Good to see the HoloHuxsters here are part of the coverup.....

JR
 
JimRizoli said:
Why don't they go after the Operation Paperclip scientist who were illegally brought over to the several countries that were used for their expertise in rockets, weaponry etc....
About Operation Paperclip....and their killing of Jews
They would be actually good targets for trial considering that the Jews in some of the camps worked on the rockets and war related things.
These scientist weren't touched by any of the courts.......yet they were the ones responsible for using the Jews labor for the German War effort. If they can bring people to court who worked on the Crematories, railroads, and other users of Jewish labor why not the German Scientist (who eventually ended up here) who actually used Jews for labor and were responsible for some of their deaths?
I guess the court is quiet on this one. Selective prosecution because some of the scientist WERE JEWS.

JR
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Because Jews don't control the USA and never did. America's cold war interests took precedence over punishing the men who murdered Jews, therefore America didn't care. It's over: your lie upthread about "The Holocaust burying America's victory" is just that: a lie. America didn't care: General Patton and J.Edgar Hoover were antisemites who sympathized with the Nazis more than they did the Jews. Hoover even wiretapped activists who tried to expose ex Nazis living in the USA. It's over: your Hoax never happened.

HDenier probably thinks the Iraq war never happened since GWB is still free as a bird.
 
JimRizoli said:
Why don't they go after the Operation Paperclip scientist who were illegally brought over to the several countries that were used for their expertise in rockets, weaponry etc....
About Operation Paperclip....and their killing of Jews
They would be actually good targets for trial considering that the Jews in some of the camps worked on the rockets and war related things.
These scientist weren't touched by any of the courts.......yet they were the ones responsible for using the Jews labor for the German War effort. If they can bring people to court who worked on the Crematories, railroads, and other users of Jewish labor why not the German Scientist (who eventually ended up here) who actually used Jews for labor and were responsible for some of their deaths?
I guess the court is quiet on this one. Selective prosecution because some of the scientist WERE JEWS.

JR
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Quote from the Scrapbookpages site.....somone who gets it...

That’s a very good comment, Mr Rizoli – why aren’t the Nazi Hunters going after the “Operation Paper Clip” scientists. Is it because it is much easier to persecute (sorry, prosecute) elderly pensioners in Germany who only had lowly roles in the camps, and never did any harm to anyone in their lives, rather than seek out the comfortably-off, and heavily protected, former scientists and technologists who now live in America and who authorised and carried out operations in the labour camps and war industries.
The hypocrisy, and phony righteousness of these ongoing trials in Germany makes me sick.


I agree 100%

JR
 
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