• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

Status
Not open for further replies.
They birth 3000 babies, then they kill babies, which is it?

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
I have no idea what you're referring to. That babies were born in the camps under certain conditions is not a proof that babies were not killed in the camps under other conditions, if that's what you're trying to argue.
 
What decent human being would chose to put others of the same religion to death or be part of their death when confronted with either you do it or you die scenario? A Jew.

No reputable Christian would ever chose to put a fellow Christian to death or be part of the death process. These stories don't make any Jew look honorable. You should be glad I am skeptical about all the Sonnacamando stories

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
Sadly for you not all members of the Sonderkommandos were Jews, and most Kapos, block leaders, et al were not Jews. Seems like your problem is with people.
 
No reputable Christian would ever chose to put a fellow Christian to death or be part of the death process.

So there has never been problems between Catholics and Protestants, ever,.... and the Troubles in Northern Island, The Thirty Years War and so on, never happened on your planet?

What about on Earth?
:)
 
The Jewish workers were more despicable that the Nazis they claim killed them.
No Christian would have ever made that choice...but a Jew did....to defend these actions and make excuses is even more despicable. Honorable people would never act in this manner but the Jewish Workers did and bragged about it and today collect holohoax monies as a reward..shame on you all including our own Boston's Stephen Ross, Mr smothered man...

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
 
The Jewish workers were more despicable that the Nazis they claim killed them.
No Christian would have ever made that choice...but a Jew did... Honorable people would never act in this manner but the Jewish Workers did and bragged about it

This is progress. You now admit that "a Jew did" make the choice, when threatened with being murdered by the Germans, to remain alive, working in the Sonderkommando.

Now, you also seem terribly confused about what Christians have done and would do, but, leaving that aside, it is a baby step for you to concede that Jews faced the terrible dilemma we've described (and "the Jewish Workers did").

Now, someone has already told you guys that after the war in Israel there were strongly negative perceptions about these people; not only did they not brag, they laid low. They were in a continual condition of awareness of great horror over what had happened and what they'd been forced to endure. That's what they have said and written - or do you ignore their writing too?
 
Last edited:
You mean Oskar Groening?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32336353

The man who says that the mass exterminations happened? He was there so he should know. Or did the JOOS get to him somehow?







What?!?!?! What is the embarrassing dilemma? Why should it be embarrassing that Jews were, er, forced to participate? Or do you think we have the view that Jews in the Sonderkommando units generally volunteered to enter the camps and then put their names down for this work? I don't understand why any of us here should be embarrassed by what these men were forced to do - or even by Jewish police or ghetto authorities who did volunteer.
The guys, 94 years old. Probably doesn't even know what day it is...

Maybe we can call Boston's Stephen Ross and charge him with an ADMITTED MURDER...No, they come after a 94 year old the bookkeeper who poked the Jews eyeballs out with his ballpoint pen given to him by Ann Frank..lol

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
 
Here we go with the antisemite crap. If I was a real antisemite I wouldn't believe in Jesus Christ....

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

But you don't. You are a heathen, who admires heathens, and defends their actions in public forums. Many of your sources were written by heathens and your ideology was devised for heathens by heathens. I am a Christian, baptized in the Presbyterian Church of Canada, and your beliefs are not mine, nor that of my forbears, nor that of the Apostles, and nor that of Christ Jesus. So stop spreading your falsehoods under the guise of something you do not have any faith in.
 
And, whether HDenier likes it or not, Jewish citizens of Canada also have free speech and other rights, such as the right to file civil or criminal charges for adjudication in the courts.

It is my understanding that the groups that campaigned in Canada against Zündel were spearheaded by Holocaust survivors (e.g., Holocaust Remembrance Association, with one leader being Sabina Citron, a child survivor of Auschwitz). The HRA urged that Zündel be prosecuted for violations of the Canadian Criminal Code (section 177, the so-called false news section). Sabina Citron herself, in December 1983, swore an affidavit against Zündel. Her doing so led to the government prosecuting him, with Crown Attorney Peter Griffiths leading the state's case.

The trial of Zündel took place in an Ontario District Court in Toronto and went forward under Canadian law and trial procedures. The prosecution had to prove that Zündel had violated a specific law, and the defense had the ability to call witnesses, cross-examine prosecution witnesses, review evidence, and argue its case. Again, whether HDenier agrees or not, this is how legal disputes are decided - even when "the Jews" are involved.

Unfortunately for HDenier, after a trial conducted according to Canadian legal norms, on 27 February 1985 a jury - not "the Jews" - found Zündel guilty on the count of spreading false news.

This conviction was appealed in 1988, and the guilty verdict reconfirmed, and then, in 1992 the Canadian Supreme Court declared the “false news” clause to be in violation of the Canadian Charter of Freedoms. The Supreme Court specifically found that the clause endangered free speech and free debate on historical topics.

OTOH, around the time of the start of the Zündel case in Canada, in 1983, West Germany revoked Zündel’s passport on account of his activities having “damaged the reputation and image of the Federal Republic of Germany.” Not "the Jews," but the government of West Germany.

HDenier sounds off about free speech but shows exactly zero awareness of what free speech is, how a government of laws works, what the legal process is, and how claims and counter-claims are decided by courts.
Oh stop this crap. Zündel only had opinions. Opinions are debatable, except when the Jews are involved.
He got sentenced for THOUGHT CRIMES. Anybody involved in that debacle of a sham trial and you who defend it are seriously ill. All of Zündel issues stem back to the Jews. Jim Rizolis cable shows were taken off the air because the Jews started it.

https://rizolitv.com/2015/05/10/af-tv-the-most-corrupt-cable-station-in-america/


Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
 
No, they come after a 94 year old the bookkeeper who poked the Jews eyeballs out with his ballpoint pen given to him by Ann Frank..lol

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Groning never admitted to poking the eyeballs out of anyone with any object, pen or otherwise. He did not mention Ann Frank even once in his assorted testimonies, especially not in the context brought up by yourself.

I would like to say that I did not approve of his prosecution, considering that he was very brave in speaking out against denial.
 
What decent human being would chose to put others of the same religion to death or be part of their death when confronted with either you do it or you die scenario? A Jew.

No reputable Christian would ever chose to put a fellow Christian to death or be part of the death process. These stories don't make any Jew look honorable. You should be glad I am skeptical about all the Sonnacamando stories

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Really? Seriously? Are you not counting the persecution and murder of the Hugeunots in France? What about what the Poles and Ukraines did to each other after WW II? Northern Ireland not ring a bell? All these are examples of what Christians did to one another.

What about the persecution of the Montanists, a major Christian sect in North Africa in the 2nd-6th Century, the remnants were burned to death when they refused to convert to orthodox Christianity.

How about something more recent?
The Ustasha, Roman Catholic Croats allied to Germany during WW II, savagely persecuted the Orthodox Serbs. To be fair, the Serbs turned around and returned the favor in the 90's.

Try to read different things, HD. It helps.



Oh, you spell it "Sonderkommando."
 
I don't have any of these titles by them for me...lol
If a writer starts off with the assertion that their was a final solution, a 6 million, homicidal gas chambers and other conflicting nonsense I have no use of buying these books unless given to me, where I will like a lot of my pro holohoax books, I will expose the nonsense...

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

So you have admitted to having no knowledge of the Holocaust, making no effort to read about the history of the period, and having no willingness to do so. Surprise surprise! says no one ever.

It is a fact that no authors, with the exception of Lucy Davidowicz assume that the number of dead was six million. So your immediate assumption lies in tatters, like the rest of your shoddy, shoddy, attempts at argumentation.
 
Groning never admitted to poking the eyeballs out of anyone with any object, pen or otherwise. He did not mention Ann Frank even once in his assorted testimonies, especially not in the context brought up by yourself.

I would like to say that I did not approve of his prosecution, considering that he was very brave in speaking out against denial.

I agree with you.
 
Schools for murder...too funny..
More Jewish propaganda nonsense

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

No one asserted that these were "schools for murder" in any classic sense. In fact, it was because of their experience that the T4 personnel were assigned to the death camps under Globocnik's authority. I will remind you that no one seriously denies that the T4 program functioned as it did.

I have two questions

1. Why would the Germans staff the camps with trained killers?

2. Do you know who Odilo Globocnik or Georg Michelson were?
 
I agree with you.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Nazis to the core but I feel for him. He tried to make a difference for a very good cause late in life to make up for his complicity in mass murder.

As opposed to a scumbag like Demanjuk who denied, denied, denied.
 
No reputable Christian would ever chose to put a fellow Christian to death or be part of the death process. These stories don't make any Jew look honorable. You should be glad I am skeptical about all the Sonnacamando stories

Bloody Mary would like a word with you.
 
So, which one is it, no one is forced to do anything? Or The Germans were "forced" to do it too?



No dilemma at all. The story is true and Jewish prisoners did serve under extreme duress. Statements describing these events actually increase the overall reliability of such statements, and refute your blethering about false memory syndrome. There's no reason for Jews to "invent" or talk about such narratives unless they were true. If the Jews wanted "to make the Germans look bad" and invented their narratives accordingly, then there's no reason for them to invent or manufacture stories of their ""participation".

I wonder what HDenier thinks about Child Soldiers or Women in the sex trade. He'd probably blame them too.
No, BLIND ONE. they invented these stories BECAUSE THEY WERE BAD.
People become sympathetic to their victimization even though these Jewish workers were part of the killing process. These workers invent those stories to cover their evil they did in the camps. Some of these Jewish Kapos were mean sob's.
So to cover up their actions they blame others.
You can't see that? It's like blaming the dog for stealing the brownies. The kid took one first. Blames the dog.

The whole Holohoax story has so many lies and cover-ups it's incredible. A good example of this is when the Americans came into these concentration camps they inadvertently fed all these people and what happened is the people's bodies couldn't absorb the food and a lot of these people died within days. The bodies that you see in the pictures are those people that the Americans fed yet they blamed the Germans for the deaths of those people and those bodies strewn around the ground. Isn't it funny the Germans wanted to use the same excuse that the Jews used in that they were forced to do certain things and the Jews get away with it and the Germans go to jail or get killed.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
 
Believe it or not, there are folks in another HD discussion forum who read this thread. I must say that for the most part, they are chuckling quite a bit. One posted the following comment on "recovered memory," pointing out that the concept is irrelevant to work done by Boder with survivors in 1946, to memoirs, and to testimonies of survivors:

This got me curious. I found the following on Wikipedia concerning "recovered memory":
Hmmmm.
Instead of recalling all these quotes and looking like an cut and paster, why dont you to listen to one of Loftus talks and maybe you could come back and have an intelligent conversation. Elizabeth Loftus would have been perfect at the Zundel trial of ANY Holocaust trial. but the problem is she feared her own Jews because she knew she would be put out of business by the talk that would follow.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
 
LM is calling out the reserves outside this discussion to combat me, I must be winning..

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
 
Don't get me wrong, I hate Nazis to the core but I feel for him. He tried to make a difference for a very good cause late in life to make up for his complicity in mass murder.

As opposed to a scumbag like Demanjuk who denied, denied, denied.

My issue with these trials is the difficulty of actually proving someone guilty of a crime after 70 some odd years. But, in reference to Groening, he made attempts to leave Auschwitz after seeing what was going on. His commanding officers refused to allow this though Groening did eventually transfer to a combat unit. His only other recourse was desertion and I don't blame him for not following that route, that was a death sentence.
So, I've never liked the fact that Groening was convicted, he tried to transfer out of Auschwitz and was denied this option.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom