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Paul Bethke said:
Now I am very sad as you do not know for sure—but we creationist do know for sure that Yahweh is the Creator.
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Where's the fun in that? How is not knowing something sad? It's you I feel sad for. Instead of being inspired with curiosity you've settled for a false knowledge like a child huddling under a security blanket. Your fake knowledge leads nowhere and advances nothing. It's just a made up fairy story that humanity should have walked away from a long time ago.
 
Thor 2 said:
I read the intro halleyscomet and was impressed by your style. Your brothers in Christ must have been pissed of when you developed your leftish leanings and took exit.:)
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I think my mother has taken it the hardest. She recently told me about having found an old printout of the essay The Wasted Career of Charles Darwin was based upon. She was gleeful and wanted me to re-read it, convinced it would somehow reconnect me with belief. She doesn't know I proofread the latest edition of that very essay within the last year! All the sources are other Creationists. This is true in the original as well as in the current incarnation. The research needed to write it (It was my college entrance essay, guess what kind of colleges I applied to) lead me to want to find sources beyond the Creationist echo chamber.

Creationism is like the extreme alt-med crowd, in that both are incredibly incestuous and self-referential. Trying to follow the trail of citations for a claim can lead you in a loop, where the original claimant is now citing the three or four times removed references to their claims as "proof" that their original claim is now backed up by evidence.

Trying to step outside those loops, trying to find evidence that wasn't part of a massive game of circular telephone, causes the whole house of cards to collapse.
 
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RobRoy said:
Funny, mine too, but a small step further—mine is LDS/Mormon. Same idea though: it's mostly "cultural inertia" (I like that term), else she would never have married me!
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Here in Utah there are a lot of purely inertial Mormons. That's sort of what makes it possible to coexist in a civic sense. What they do on Sunday doesn't necessarily spill over into their day-to-day, and in the latter milieu they're normal, reasonable people.

Ironically when a Mormon falls fully off the wagon, I've noticed they tend afterwards towards hedonism. Completely understandable, in my view, but nevertheless fun to watch -- a shiftless guy with a babe on each arm, a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the other.
 
JayUtah said:
Here in Utah there are a lot of purely inertial Mormons. That's sort of what makes it possible to coexist in a civic sense. What they do on Sunday doesn't necessarily spill over into their day-to-day, and in the latter milieu they're normal, reasonable people.

Ironically when a Mormon falls fully off the wagon, I've noticed they tend afterwards towards hedonism. Completely understandable, in my view, but nevertheless fun to watch -- a shiftless guy with a babe on each arm, a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the other.
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One of these beers no doubt:

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JayUtah said:
Here in Utah there are a lot of purely inertial Mormons. That's sort of what makes it possible to coexist in a civic sense. What they do on Sunday doesn't necessarily spill over into their day-to-day, and in the latter milieu they're normal, reasonable people.

Ironically when a Mormon falls fully off the wagon, I've noticed they tend afterwards towards hedonism. Completely understandable, in my view, but nevertheless fun to watch -- a shiftless guy with a babe on each arm, a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the other.
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This has been my observation as well. Dating post-LDS Mormon girls is . . . interesting.
 
Thor 2 said:
Can you put your finger on specifically what disturbs you in contemplation of the unknown. Perhaps some here may be able to help.
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Yep, I can exactly. I quite like being alive and experiencing things. The idea that this is all there is, that there's nothing more, that when the lights go out, everything goes black and all that is me is simply gone is quite, quite terrifying.
 
I don't think it would be any different than going under anesthesia for surgery. The last thing I remember as I was laying on the OR table was talking about Star Trek with the CRNA. Then I'm awake in recovery a few hours later. I just hope when I go it's not a long drawn out suffering illness. Oregon has euthanasia laws that I plan to take advantage of if I'm ever diagnosed with a type of cancer with a very low recovery rate.
 
RobRoy said:
Yep, I can exactly. I quite like being alive and experiencing things. The idea that this is all there is, that there's nothing more, that when the lights go out, everything goes black and all that is me is simply gone is quite, quite terrifying.
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Contemplation of death with the assumption that nothing follows death can be difficult to come to terms with. I can't claim to be completely comfortable with the idea but am not terrified of it.

You might find some comfort from the words of Mark Twain:

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

The religious claim to find comfort in the knowledge they will survive death, and live on in paradise, although many also believe in a not so nice place, they might finish up in if they don't make the cut.

In Christianity, given all the information in the scriptures about the seemingly small number who will make the cut, and given the extraordinary high number of different versions of the faith, I find it hard to imagine how followers can feel confident about getting into the nice place.

My mother "got religion" late in life and expressed a feeling of severe dread of death towards the end.
 
Jodie said:
I don't think it would be any different than going under anesthesia for surgery. The last thing I remember as I was laying on the OR table was talking about Star Trek with the CRNA. Then I'm awake in recovery a few hours later. I just hope when I go it's not a long drawn out suffering illness. Oregon has euthanasia laws that I plan to take advantage of if I'm ever diagnosed with a type of cancer with a very low recovery rate.
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Yes and particularly if you are experiencing pain as a result of your condition.

You're lucky to live where you do. Most places in the World don't accommodate euthanasia. No prizes for guessing who are standing in the way of progress to accommodate it.
 
I actually live in South Carolina, but if you establish residency in Oregon you can take advantage of their euthanasia laws. You have to make these plans while you are still of sound mind in a living will. Another thing to consider is how it affects any life insurance policies that your children receive when you die, I'm worth more dead than alive.
 
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Thor 2 said:
I assume you're talking about Jebus coming down in his golden chariot? One has to wonder about where, on planet Earth, he will make a touchdown.
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Maybe he won't. The earliest account of these matters (and it has already been falsified by events) is given by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4, and it indicates an airborne, rather than ground-level, event.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.​
Of course that can't be entirely right because Paul stopped being alive and remaining very long ago, and the Lord hasn't yet descended into our atmosphere.
 
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