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Crossbow you do amuse me to no extent—there is One God and many gods that men have invented which are no god—so the creation of a man made god does not mean that his god exists---

Isa 44:16,47 Half of the wood he burns in the fire; over it he prepares his meal, he roasts his meat and eats his fill. He also warms himself and says, "Ah! I am warm; I see the fire."
From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god."
Now that what this man made—is it a real living speaking god—like Cliff sang living doll!!

Got myself a crying, talking, sleeping, walking, living doll
Got to do my best to please her, just 'cause she's a living doll
Got a roving eye and that is why she satisfies my soul
Got the one and only walking talking, living doll

Well, ....

If you are done laughing, then you just might be able to realize that again you are talking against your own argument.

All of the god talk that you have endlessly provided since your blinding event is your own god. The god you have discussed is not the god of anyone but yourself.

Your repeated and well documented failures in demonstrating the power of your god have served to proove that your god is not any better than all of the other many, many, many fairy tale gods that are out there.
 
Well, ....

If you are done laughing, then you just might be able to realize that again you are talking against your own argument.

All of the god talk that you have endlessly provided since your blinding event is your own god. The god you have discussed is not the god of anyone but yourself.

Your repeated and well documented failures in demonstrating the power of your god have served to proove that your god is not any better than all of the other many, many, many fairy tale gods that are out there.

OK you win for now---but let the time be noted!
 
Both genealogies of jesus as a descendant are incorrect?
They disagree, which means that at least one of them is incorrect. That in turn means that incorrect material is capable of finding its way into the later Synoptic gospels. The genealogies are highly improbable, telling us that a Galilean of obscure origin is a descendant of the Royal House of David.

Inventors had good reason to fabricate such material, as they wanted to show that Jesus was the Messiah, which meant that he must be a descendant of David, according to their conception of things.

So what do you think? If we know that at least one must be incorrect, even if we don't know which one - is it not then overwhelmingly likely that both of them are fabricated?
 
The genealogies are highly improbable, telling us that a Galilean of obscure origin is a descendant of the Royal House of David.

Keep in mind how many concubines and wives Solomon had. His harem dwarfed even his father's! I suspect, through Solomon, David's genetic legacy was rather impressive in the region. You probably couldn't swing a dead lamb in first century Palestine without hitting a descendant of David.
 
OK you win for now---but let the time be noted!

As the 'Church Lady' would say:

"Well! Isn't that special?"

You letting me win for now is about the closest that you will ever get to admitting obvious reality that neither you (nor anyone else in the entire history of the world) has ever objectively shown that there is some sort of god.

Therefore, the only thing of value that all of all your constant sanctimonious verbiage has produced is that you have quite adequately destroyed your own arguments.

As for the time being noted, I will make sure to note it just as highly as your many other failures.
 
As the 'Church Lady' would say:

"Well! Isn't that special?"

You letting me win for now is about the closest that you will ever get to admitting obvious reality that neither you (nor anyone else in the entire history of the world) has ever objectively shown that there is some sort of god.

Therefore, the only thing of value that all of all your constant sanctimonious verbiage has produced is that you have quite adequately destroyed your own arguments.

As for the time being noted, I will make sure to note it just as highly as your many other failures.

Now you have made my day with those encouraging words. So I will be the first to show that there is God.
 
Yes, the flood did NOT occur.

Now how can you dispute this?

Gen 7:17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.
Gen 7:18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.
Gen 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
Gen 7:20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.

It is easier to believe that this flood occurred than to believe in evolution!
 
Now how am I to know what date the flood took place—so I have included a calendar to show what other scholars have researched—that does not mean that the flood did not occur?

And again, I ask you: In your own opinion, informed by your scholarship and your understanding of your "scriptures" (and calendars made by others), when do you claim that the Noachian episode took place? Pick a millennium...

Make no mistake--I understand why you are loath to commit, but I am, in fact, interested.
 
Now how can you dispute this?

Gen 7:17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.
Gen 7:18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.
Gen 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
Gen 7:20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.

It is easier to believe that this flood occurred than to believe in evolution!

And yet, you are loath to commit to a date when it must have happened.
 
Now how can you dispute this?

Gen 7:17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.
Gen 7:18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.
Gen 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
Gen 7:20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.

Those lines are the ONLY evidence a global flood ever happened. NONE of the physical evidence we'd see from a flood that extensive exists. Not only is there a lack of evidence FOR a global flood, but there is a MASSIVE volume of archeological, fossil, and geological evidence AGAINST it.

There IS however an explanation put fourth by Edmund Halley that correlates the Biblical account with the evidence.

First, you need to keep in mind that the Bible was clearly written from the viewpoint of the people on the surface. The Bible describes a geocentric solar system and a flat Earth with 4 corners. Either the Bible is WRONG about these facts, or it was written not as a science textbook, but as a narrative from the viewpoint of the Jews.

Now, if we look at the historical record there is AMPLE evidence of MASSIVE LOCAL floods in the fertile Crescent. The Epic of Gilgamesh is the best known example.

Edmund Halley proposed that the Biblical account was true, but it described not a literal flood that covered the entire Earth, but a localized, yet still devastating, flood that covered the Earth AS IT WAS KNOWN TO NOAH. It didn't wipe out all humanity, but it did clear out Noah's competitors for farmland, grazing land and other resources.

Noah still builds his boat, but suddenly instead of needing to gather koalas and giraffes, he only needs to gather the animal life he found in the immediate vicinity. The Ark is suddenly not a comically undersized clown car of animals but a cramped yet suddenly feasible barn.

The only concession one needs to make is that the references to flooding the entire Earth were, like many other such passages in the Bible, metaphor and hyperbole, not literal.

As a bonus, this eliminates the need for Noah's descendants to be engaging in rampant incest for a few generations, as there were still other tribes around for Noah's grandchildren marry.

It is easier to believe that this flood occurred than to believe in evolution!

I used to believe the same thing. Sadly, I have a keen interest in science and, upon seeing just how slapdash and amateur men like Ken Ham were in their "science" I decided I could do better. What I found was that the Creationist literature was slap-dash in part because it was covering up a web of ignorance and lies. The more I dug, the more I realized their "science" consisted largely of taking pot-shots at Evolution and geology; most those pot-shots were based upon a misrepresentation, sometimes deliberate, of the science they were criticizing.
 
Now how can you dispute this?

Gen 7:17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.
Gen 7:18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.
Gen 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
Gen 7:20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.

It is easier to believe that this flood occurred than to believe in evolution!

Very easily. And with parallel support from different branches of science.

There is no geologic evidence to suggest that such a flood occurred, such as sediment deposition in a uniform layer all around the earth.

The volume of water required to cover the earth to a level where the planet is covered by 20 feet (6m) of water does not exist on earth - where did it come from and where did it go?

The physical science of engineering tells us that the ark is impossible. A wooden structure of that size would have broken up from torsion and other stresses when it started to float.

Animal husbandry tells us that the idea of bringing seven examples of all "clean" animals and 2 of all "unclean" animals into a space the size of the ark is impossible, discounting the space needed for food and water for animals, not to mention the requirement to deal with waste removal.

Fossil evidence shows us that all animals presently living did not come about at a single location on the planet and dispersed to their present habitats. there are no kangaroo skeletons outside of Australia as a good example.

Genetics reveals that there was no bottleneck that would be created by human life being reduced to a single family, and all other life being reduced to 7 or 2 examples at the same time.

As for accepting the reality of evolution, I can accept it fairly easily, as modern microbiology provides excellent examples of how it works in a timescale that we can understand (whereas the more gradual development that takes place is a lot harder to wrap your head around initially).
 
Now you have made my day with those encouraging words. So I will be the first to show that there is God.

No you will not.

You have consistently failed to do anything of the sort. In fact, you have failed at everything that you have ever said that you will do.

And when your many glaring failures are pointed out, then you simply retort with something vague and useless like 'Wait for the proof'.

No one in all of history has ever actually shown that there is a god, therefore you too will fail to actually show that there is a god.
 
No you will not.

You have consistently failed to do anything of the sort. In fact, you have failed at everything that you have ever said that you will do.

And when your many glaring failures are pointed out, then you simply retort with something vague and useless like 'Wait for the proof'.

No one in all of history has ever actually shown that there is a god, therefore you too will fail to actually show that there is a god.

You have still made my day--because I know that you are wrong.
 
You have still made my day--because I know that you are wrong.

Well then, I am glad to be of service.

And as for you saying that I am wrong, then you are quite at liberty to say so. As for me, I will stick to the facts.

In any case, your many postings and failures over the years have done an excellent job of showing that a god concept is a completely subjective in practice and therefore a god concept is something that has no basis in reality.

Therefore, you will never be able to show that god does exist to anyone but yourself.
 
Very easily. And with parallel support from different branches of science.

There is no geologic evidence to suggest that such a flood occurred, such as sediment deposition in a uniform layer all around the earth.

The volume of water required to cover the earth to a level where the planet is covered by 20 feet (6m) of water does not exist on earth - where did it come from and where did it go?

The physical science of engineering tells us that the ark is impossible. A wooden structure of that size would have broken up from torsion and other stresses when it started to float.

Animal husbandry tells us that the idea of bringing seven examples of all "clean" animals and 2 of all "unclean" animals into a space the size of the ark is impossible, discounting the space needed for food and water for animals, not to mention the requirement to deal with waste removal.

Fossil evidence shows us that all animals presently living did not come about at a single location on the planet and dispersed to their present habitats. there are no kangaroo skeletons outside of Australia as a good example.

Genetics reveals that there was no bottleneck that would be created by human life being reduced to a single family, and all other life being reduced to 7 or 2 examples at the same time.

As for accepting the reality of evolution, I can accept it fairly easily, as modern microbiology provides excellent examples of how it works in a timescale that we can understand (whereas the more gradual development that takes place is a lot harder to wrap your head around initially).

Well God would have shown Noah how to construct a vessel that would accommodate the amount of creatures that would enter the ark---besides not all dogs were there, the species did change as with horses.

As with Moses, Yahweh could have shown Noah ---Exodus_25:9 Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you.

When it is revealed that in the beginning--Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So now there would be no problem in rearranging things a little to facilitate. Jesus made this statement--Mar_12:24 Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?


Now evolution is the most ridiculous theory that man has conjured up---how can any sane person believe that out of a single something—everything could become just as we have it today.

Everything around us speaks so clearly of a Designer, a Creator, a person with such great wisdom and power—as it is stated:- Rom 1:20-22 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

No evolution is so ridiculous that it cannot be explained—just a lot of theory, based on theory, where so many people contradict each other and things just become guessing.

Here is one good example—I used to keep horses, and the books I have read states that the horse evolved 25 million years ago—then I read another book and there the author categorically states that the horse evolved some 75 million years ago—so me being a good fella thinks—well what is 50 million years difference between friends.
 
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