Split Thread Signs of the End Times

[Slowvehicle]

I said evolution and someone else told me it was wrong—so the end times is to deal what will take place in the END, or beginning---so there is a point that God will have to reveal himself in order to put an End to all the misstatements about him are resolved.

I see.

You intend to continue to make sweeping assertions, backed by not a single shred of actual evidence.

Perhaps you ought to start a "sermon" thread.

 

[Slowvehicle]

It was with the consent of Mary that the miracle took place, without any sexual participation.

Funny, you called it a "stupid argument" when I pointed out that magic was involved...yet you, apparently with a straight face, claim it was a "miracle".

Today with modern medical science a virgin can become pregnant without having sex.

Is that the same process you are calling a "miracle", above?

f so, why do you call technology "miraculous" (and what evidence have you that "Mary" was artificial insemination?

If not, why even bring it up?

And what has the legend of "Mary" to do with "Signs of the end times"?

 

[Slowvehicle]

But what was the first organism???

Still off-task.

We do not know what the "first organism" was; given the way life preys on life, it is probably more accurate to speak of the "first groups of viable organisms".

There is, however, not one single shred of actual evidence for the existence of any "creator" or "designer". There is a great deal of evidence to indicate that the first viable organisms were not human beings, or any modern plant or animal.

I actually hope that you do start a TOE thread, so that your ridiculous misstatements about evolution may be addressed in a proper thread...

 

[halleyscomet]

It was with the consent of Mary that the miracle took place, without any sexual participation.
Today with modern medical science a virgin can become pregnant without having sex.

So you accuse God of Onanism.

Are you SURE you haven't read "The Story of God" by Chris Matheson? He has a lovely scene that mentions God sending an archangel to Mary with a turkey baster full of holy seed.

 

[Slowvehicle]

OK so this is off topic, but it still remains that what I have said is a reasonable view of an unreasonable theory that everything just came about by chance without the intervention of anyone.

Only from a position of vast and purposefully sheltered ignorance. You continue to misstate what I, and others (including actual scientists) say about the TOE.

Surprise.

No matter if I use the wrong words to communicate the TOE, that you speak of and no matter how eloquent your response is—it is still absurd to believe in TOE.

The issue is not that you "use the wrong words"; it is, instead, that you express the ideas ludicrously incorrectly, then claim that your utterly ridiculous misstatements somehow constitute actual information about the actual TOE.

To say nothing of ignoring the corrections you are offered, preferring instead to cling to your untruths.

The END times is to put an END to this theory, will be the beginning of truth.

...evidence?

(Not preachment, evidence.)

It would be refreshing if you were to provide some.

 

[Crossbow]

It was with the consent of Mary that the miracle took place, without any sexual participation.
Today with modern medical science a virgin can become pregnant without having sex.

Wow! This Paul Bethke train wreck is just too awful to look away from, so I just have to ask ...

Since Mary was married at the time God impregnated her, so does that mean Mary cheated on Joseph?

Or that Mary had a three-way with God and Joseph?

Or that God got Mary good and drunk, and then had sex with her after she passed out?

Or maybe God got Joseph good and drunk, and then had sex with Mary after Joseph passed out?

Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[Slowvehicle]

Now I am very sad as you do not know for sure—but we creationist do know for sure that Yahweh is the Creator.

You are doing unutterable violence to the regular English verb, "know". You "know" no such thing as you claim; instead, you believe it--you have "faith", which you believe without even the tiniest shred of evidence.

Not to mention, the proper usage here (if you understood the usages of the OT) would be "Adonai", not a peversion of the tetragrammaton.

So while you do not know how life began, and what the organism from which all things originate was, you resort to hypothetical conjecture.

...which is the nature, and the power, of the scientific process. If you were a competent electrical engineer, you would understand that hypotheses are the first step in developing real-world conclusions.

This is an END time question as we need to know what the end of all this will be—you say life began with one tiny weeny organism—how did the planets start to become as we now see them?

If you are actually interested, you could start a cosmology thread, and ask your question there. (Hint: Evidence shows that the answer is NOT that a "designer" "poofed" the universe into existence, no matter what you choose to believe.

I like this<scripturesnip>

So much more easy to grasp, than something you are not sure of.
So how do you console yourself?

If it is "easier to grasp", why is it contradicted in the next chapter?

All you have done is admit that you would rather be consoled by a comforting story that fits your preconceptions than work to discover the actual answer.

As for me and my house, we will serve reality.

(...and you are still OT.)

 

[Slowvehicle]

All in good time, time is regulated by this very great and powerful God--then you will get your wish, which will not be as you expect.

Yet another reiteration of your unevidenced assertions.

 

[Slowvehicle]

That is true my failure to understand that which is absurd—well in time it will be shown that Yahweh is the Creator, so in the mean time I will endure the ridicule for my so called failures.

I am still waiting for you to retract, and apologize for, the lie you told about what I said...so much for the whole "false witness" proscription.

 

[Jodie]

I don't care what creator you chose to believe in but when you cherry pick the bible and hone in on old testament laws requiring damnation or whatever and ignore Jesus's teachings about forgiveness then that is simply a warped view of Christianity IMO. Now let's crown that with claiming to be a prophet......it's not a calling it's a psychiatric problem.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Funny, mine too, but a small step further—mine is LDS/Mormon. Same idea though: it's mostly "cultural inertia" (I like that term), else she would never have married me!

My wife is Roman Catholic, and I love her dearly. I've found my ability to interact with those with whom I disagree has improved since abandoning my dogmas.

 

[Crossbow]

Now you have made my day with those encouraging words. So I will be the first to show that there is God.

Paul Bethke:

Hello? Is anyone home?

Are you on another of your Forum hiatus where you disappear from the Forum for few months to think about the various values of your numerous postings?

If not, then I would appreciate it if you could show me that there is a God. After all, since no one else has ever been able to do such a thing, then if you were to do it then you would easily be the most famous person is all of human history.

 

[RobRoy]

My wife is Roman Catholic, and I love her dearly. I've found my ability to interact with those with whom I disagree has improved since abandoning my dogmas.

I can totally see that. I was raised RCC while living in a suburb of Salt Lake City, one of the more LDS places ever.

 

[Crossbow]

Now you have made my day with those encouraging words. So I will be the first to show that there is God.

You have been absent from the Forum for the last few days Paul.

However, I sure would like you to show me, and everyone else, this God of yours.

 

[Border Reiver]

You have been absent from the Forum for the last few days Paul.

However, I sure would like you to show me, and everyone else, this God of yours.

Strictly speaking though, proof of god's existence is contrary to the topic of this thread.

Paul -

a. What are these signs of the End Times you are on about?
b. What makes them different from their normal occurences? (ie. if war, or divorce are signs you are looking at, what is it about these events happening now that makes them special signs, rather than just normal events)

 

[Crossbow]

Strictly speaking though, proof of god's existence is contrary to the topic of this thread.

Paul -

a. What are these signs of the End Times you are on about?
b. What makes them different from their normal occurences? (ie. if war, or divorce are signs you are looking at, what is it about these events happening now that makes them special signs, rather than just normal events)

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

If there are actually 'Signs of the End Times' which are being produced from a god, then one is is not asking too much to know something objective about this god.

Further, since Paul Bethke did assure me that he can show me this god of his, then it is not asking too much of Paul Bethke to actually show me the god that he constantly speaks of.

 

[Border Reiver]

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

If there are actually 'Signs of the End Times' which are being produced from a god, then one is is not asking too much to know something objective about this god.

Further, since Paul Bethke did assure me that he can show me this god of his, then it is not asking too much of Paul Bethke to actually show me the god that he constantly speaks of.

I can see your point of view on this matter, and given Paul's absence I believe that we'll both be disappointed.

 

[halleyscomet]

We may have been premature in judging this "End Times" talk to be foolish. Remember the "End of the World" billboards? The digital age is letting End Times "Prophets" change their dates much more easily than old school billboards.

The end of the world has been changed to Oct.31 so you may want to have your Halloween party early

'Prophets of doom' have a new day when the world will end: October 31st

LOS ANGELES, CA (FOX 11) - Seems like the End Times Prophecies got it wrong. OBVIOUSLY the end of the world was not July 29, 2016.

The YouTube video they posted a while back has a new title, which has been edited to say the end of the world will 'surely' end on October 31, 2016. If you remember, this is the exact same video they posted to indicate the end of times was going to be at the end of July.

 

[Thor 2]

I love this mindset. It's what I've been slowly working toward over the past ten years—part of the reason that I joined this forum after I found it. A lot of my final hangups are about this very subject: the unknown. If I spend too much time thinking about it, I get physically nervous. I start to freak out in my head. It does scare me, and I admit that's when the mythology is quite comforting. Even though I know it's not the right answer, and in fact is the wrong answer, it's an answer, where no one else is offering one. Even writing this out, my palms are getting a little sweaty. In those cases, I want to believe. I'm pretty certain there's nothing to believe in, but for me it would be nice to have a set of answers that address all the questions.

But again, they're just an answer, and they're not right.

I appreciate hearing that there is life after belief.

I share with halleyscomet a fascination with the unknown with no fear at all. Not saying I am brave but don't see anything to fear.

Can you put your finger on specifically what disturbs you in contemplation of the unknown. Perhaps some here may be able to help.

 

[Thor 2]

Remember, I USED to be a creationist. Some of my early writing on the topic is STILL in circulation in heavily edited form as Creationist apologetic, having been sub-licensed by a friend who was, at the time, very close to my way of thinking. I know the mindset because it used to be mine. (Just be sure to get the English Version, as the Spanish translation is crap.)

I read the intro halleyscomet and was impressed by your style. Your brothers in Christ must have been pissed of when you developed your leftish leanings and took exit.