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Ed Is Humayun Khan Trump's Turning Point?

Tony Stark said:
But don't you see, the outrage and huge media coverage is actually going to work in Donald's favor. Because reasons.
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I don't understand these kind of arguments, provided on this forum by sunmaster14 and others.

It is one thing to argue this won't affect Trump negatively (it did) or that he will get away with that (he may still indeed, even if things right now look very badly for him), but arguing that he actually will have any gains from that is just some whole new level of delusional thought.

We all know that saying about shooting your own foot. In case of Trump, it is more like him shoving nuke in his nether regions and detonating that.
 
Mader Levap said:
I don't understand these kind of arguments, provided on this forum by sunmaster14 and others.

It is one thing to argue this won't affect Trump negatively (it did) or that he will get away with that (he may still indeed, even if things right now look very badly for him), but arguing that he actually will have any gains from that is just some whole new level of delusional thought.

We all know that saying about shooting your own foot. In case of Trump, it is more like him shoving nuke in his nether regions and detonating that.
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They want it to backfire on Hillary and the Democrats and so they convince themselves that it will.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
But... That statement is utterly ridiculous in hindsight. She wasn't even close.

It's like saying "A lump of clay would be unbeatable if it got the nomination," then trying to deflect criticism by emphasizing the conditional. It's just a transparent attempt to save face.
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Well, I think your post is utterly ridiculous. For your benefit, I'll link to the original comment that Crossbow has been fixated on for almost a year. I never ever believed that Carly was likely to win the Republican primary. There were 15 candidates still around at the time, and she was polling around 2%. Furthermore, I think most political pundits would probably agree that virtually every Republican candidate other than Donald Trump and perhaps Ted Cruz would mop the floor with Hillary in the general election. Admittedly, Hillary has proven to be an even more tainted candidate than expected, but still, she was known to be weak even in September.


sunmaster14 said:
Thank you for listing some putative accomplishments in the thread. Finally. I plan to discuss, although not at the moment.



I love that Carly is doing so well that the Dems have now painted a bullseye on her back. That's a good sign. They have reason to be fearful of Carly. If she were to get the Republican nomination, she would be unbeatable.

As for the claim that HP cleverly evaded sanctions to sell printers and computers to Iran, I couldn't care less. First of all, Carly's fiduciary duty was to shareholders. She had no obligation to the US government except to comply with the law, which she did. [Which, by the way, is something that Hillary cannot say. Well, actually she can say it, but she'd be lying, as usual.] Second of all, HP's printers were overpriced, and their computers kind of sucked back then. So it probably hurt Iran. If Iran had bought tens of thousands of color inkjet printers, they would have quickly been bankrupted by having to replace the cartridges every week.
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sunmaster14 said:
Furthermore, I think most political pundits would probably agree that virtually every Republican candidate other than Donald Trump and perhaps Ted Cruz would mop the floor with Hillary in the general election.
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Thankfully, Republicans are crazy moronic bigots and picked Donald (with Cruz second).

Sucks for you guys.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Settle down, Beavis.

Personally, I judge people by a certain threshold of pants-on-fieriness. Trump has crossed that threshold and now everything he states I assume to be a lie (or delusion, or a bloodclot in the brain) until conclusively proven otherwise. He has lost the benefit of the doubt. I feel his past history has tipped the scales of skepticism so the burden of proof is upon the side trying to prove he isn't lying his orange fungus butt off.
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This is my new favorite diagnosis for Trump - a series of small strokes ...
 
sunmaster14 said:
Furthermore, I think most political pundits would probably agree that virtually every Republican candidate other than Donald Trump and perhaps Ted Cruz would mop the floor with Hillary in the general election. Admittedly, Hillary has proven to be an even more tainted candidate than expected, but still, she was known to be weak even in September.
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I don't believe this is true or even close to being true. That said the GOP base wasn't the least bit interested In selecting a nominee with a solid chance of winning. Kasich by far offered the best chance of winning for the GOP. But instead the GOP's top 2 choices were the least electable. And that base picked the one who is totally ******* crazy.

What I especially like about all this is in the next Presidential election, the GOP will be facing an entirely different Hillary. Next time you will have to face an incumbent President You better hope she doesn't do a good job or none of those losers the GOP rolled out in this election will stand a chance.
 
acbytesla said:
What I especially like about all this is in the next Presidential election, the GOP will be facing an entirely different Hillary. Next time you will have to face an incumbent President You better hope she doesn't do a good job or none of those losers the GOP rolled out in this election will stand a chance.
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Republicans will definitely hope for Hillary to be a failed President. Just like they did for Obama. We know how that worked out for them.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't believe this is true or even close to being true. That said the GOP base wasn't the least bit interested In selecting a nominee with a solid chance of winning. Kasich by far offered the best chance of winning for the GOP. But instead the GOP's top 2 choices were the least electable. And that base picked the one who is totally ******* crazy.

What I especially like about all this is in the next Presidential election, the GOP will be facing an entirely different Hillary. Next time you will have to face an incumbent President You better hope she doesn't do a good job or none of those losers the GOP rolled out in this election will stand a chance.
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Understand I am a Hillary supporter and have been most of this election cycle, but I think you are discounting Sunmaster's premise a bit prematurely. If a Kasich or a Jeb Bush, with a properly run, typical campaign organisation was running against Hillary, given the private server, Dir. Comey sound-bites, a properly run RNC and even the hacked DNC email stuff currently on the table, Hillary would be in a pretty tough fight by now. She has lots of weaknesses. Most of them fabricated by 30+ years of being a right-wing punching bag, but like it or not, they exist.

She is incredibly lucky to be running against Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
You better hope she doesn't do a good job or none of those losers the GOP rolled out in this election will stand a chance.
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It's not even that, it's the damage he could do to Republicans in 2016 congressional races.
 
Ladewig said:
Are you at all concerned that a organized terrorist attack by Muslim extremists might occur in a swing state a week before the election? Or do you think Trump will be down too many points to ride that incident into victory?
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The only way even that would make a difference is if it were led by Hillary and Obama with arms linked shrieking "Allahu Akbar!".
 
Minoosh said:
It's not even that, it's the damage he could do to Republicans in 2016 congressional races.
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You can bet that over the next 2 months there will be Republican candidates for Congress who will take a pass on appearing with Trump at campaign stops. Incumbents in particular will have little to gain and lots to lose by linking themselves with that nutjob.
 
PhreePhly said:
Understand I am a Hillary supporter and have been most of this election cycle, but I think you are discounting Sunmaster's premise a bit prematurely. If a Kasich or a Jeb Bush, with a properly run, typical campaign organisation was running against Hillary, given the private server, Dir. Comey sound-bites, a properly run RNC and even the hacked DNC email stuff currently on the table, Hillary would be in a pretty tough fight by now. She has lots of weaknesses. Most of them fabricated by 30+ years of being a right-wing punching bag, but like it or not, they exist.

She is incredibly lucky to be running against Trump.
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I don't disagree per se. But it's not like people are anxious to return to the land of Bush either. The Bushes definitely would run a much better campaign than Trump. But while there is no email scandal for Jeb, the last Bush left the nation in shambles.

"I'm Jeb, not George" is the campaign slogan?
 
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Minoosh said:
It's not even that, it's the damage he could do to Republicans in 2016 congressional races.
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That of course is true. But GOP Congressional candidates are extremely well funded this cycle as money normally destined for the "big chair" are being funneled into the Congressional races.

Still, their party is as divided as it has ever been. And real apathy could set in for many traditional GOP voters while at the same time the Presidential election cycle always is the biggest turnout. Low turnout for the GOP could mean down ticket races could be a dIsaster.
 
Trebuchet said:
Jimmy Carter can't, and he's a nukyular engineer who was elected president!
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He served in the early nuke program (in his interview even got banished to the closet in Rickover's office for a while, but was approved) but never ended up on an operational nuclear powered ship.
 
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