Tony Szamboti vs. tfk Debate

[DGM]

What report says WTC 7 collapsed due to debris? I must have missed something. Please share the data you are using to arrive at your conclusion.

You said you read the NIST reports. They attributed it as a contributing factor.

Are you lying about reading the reports? My guess is you think this can get you some points among trolls.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You tend to misspell a lot of words. Is English your second language?

It is hard to type when your laughing and your sides are hurting, at people who have a belief system based on total fallacy.

Thanks for showing you have no counter argument other than spelling.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

It is hard to type when your laughing and your sides are hurting, at people who have a belief system based on total fallacy.

Thanks for showing you have no counter argument other than spelling.

I manage it when answering you. I think you are too easy on yourself.

I have plenty of counter arguments for you. Maybe you and I can go one-on-one at the 911 free forum.

I will say you might be more of a challenge than what tfk turned out to be.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I manage it when answering you. I think you are too easy on yourself.

I have plenty of counter arguments for you. Maybe you and I can go one-on-one at the 911 free forum.

I will say you might be more of a challenge than what tfk turned out to be.

Why would I wish to debate you, I have done the experiments, I know the steel will fail at 600-1000C.

I would have to have a reason to debate you, what would it be?

I don't do campfire experiments on the Ground Tony, I build an actual freaking structures, and load it with tons of materials.

I used two one hundred barrel oil tanks, and an 800 gallon water tank in my sulfidication experiment.

I can draw out and show how the connections fail, show how steel columns form fulcrums, fracture and off set.

I can even cause and initiate said failure in actual steel.

 

[skyeagle409]

What report says WTC 7 collapsed due to debris? I must have missed something. Please share the data you are using to arrive at your conclusion.

WTC 7 was seriously damaged by debris from WTC 1.


Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse.

Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors.

It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

http://www.firehouse.com/article/10567885/deputy-chief-peter-hayden


Captain Chris Boyle

A little north of Vesey I said, we’ll go down, let’s see what’s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.

http://www.firehouse.com/article/10568001/captain-chris-boyle


Battalion Chief John Norman

From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. You could see smoke, but no visible fire, and some damage to the south face. You couldn’t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html


Clear indications that WTC 7 collapsed due to structural failure, which had nothing to do with explosives.

 

[FalseFlag]

You said you read the NIST reports. They attributed it as a contributing factor.

Where? I am not saying you are not correct, I would just like to see it for myself. I'm not searching through 10,000 pages to find it. If this claim actually exists, kindly provide a link to it. Thank you.

 

[FalseFlag]

On a serious note, I hope tfk is OK

Edited by jsfisher: 

Edited to remove violations of rules 0 and 12 of the Membership Agreement.

 

[beachnut]

911 truth's CD fantasy based on the ignorance of the believers

Can Tony win a debate on the delusional, insane CD fantasy? Only in the minds of gullible followers, fooled by lies based on evidence free idiotic opinions.

No evidence for CD, in the 15th year of failure for the dumbest movement in history.



Where are we posting? Current events, breaking news? No. We are posting in 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.

 

[FalseFlag]

Can Tony win a debate on the CD fantasy?

CD Fantasy? Is that a cruise ship? I'm sure Tony would be more than willing to debate CD on a cruise, if you're paying.

 

[skyeagle409]

CD Fantasy? Is that a cruise ship? I'm sure Tony would be more than willing to debate CD on a cruise, if you're paying.

Tony would lose the debate even before the debate begins because there is no CD evidence for him to present.

I would simply ask Tony to present a single valid video that depicts the sound of demolition explosions during the collapse events of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

Next, I would ask Tony to present a single valid seismic data chart that depicts demolition explosions during and after those buildings collapsed and the clincher would come when I ask Tony to present demolition explosive hardware evidence from WTC ground zero.


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[Crazy Chainsaw]

Tony would lose the debate even before the debate begins because there is no CD evidence for him to present.

I would simply ask Tony to present a single valid video that depicts the sound of demolition explosions during the collapse events of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

Next, I would ask Tony to present a single valid seismic data chart that depicts demolition explosions during and after those buildings collapsed and the clincher would come when I ask Tony to present demolition explosive hardware evidence from WTC ground zero.


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Why would I do that I would just point out that Tony is dead wrong, and post a video of a natural Aluminothermic reaction triggered in Aluminum by the oxidation of finely divided steel. Yes I have such a video, I have not posted it because truthers are not scientificly or technologically important.
Pure stupid needs to be laughed at not encouraged.

Oh and Tony you are free to point out at any time, any misspellings in my posts.

 

[NoahFence]

There is nothing wrong with my computer program.

You tell us you are a good engineer, so why don't you run a modal analysis of the beam and girder assembly in the northeast corner of floor 13 and calculate its stiffness?

Because he doesn't have to. He knows what happened.

So do you.

 

[NoahFence]

I manage it when answering you. I think you are too easy on yourself.

I have plenty of counter arguments for you. Maybe you and I can go one-on-one at the 911 free forum.

I will say you might be more of a challenge than what tfk turned out to be.

You're claiming victory?

Dude, that's adorable.

 

[NoahFence]

Where? I am not saying you are not correct, I would just like to see it for myself. I'm not searching through 10,000 pages to find it. If this claim actually exists, kindly provide a link to it. Thank you.

It's common frickin sense man. You've seen the images. You've seen the damage.

STOP LYING.

 

[skyeagle409]

Why would I do that I would just point out that Tony is dead wrong, and post a video of a natural Aluminothermic reaction triggered in Aluminum by the oxidation of finely divided steel.

Just look at it as placing him high on a pedestal empty-handed.

 

[DGM]

This is where the "debate" is now:

If you don't respond by Saturday I think it is fair to say this debate is over.

My question is, what has be achieved and what are the spoils of the "winner"?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

This is where the "debate" is now:



My question is, what has be achieved and what are the spoils of the "winner"?

I would say it showed tfk couldn't counter the arguments made against his position.

He never actually could, but there is a lot of noise here in the piranha tank, and without that noise his inability to counter those arguments was shown a lot faster.

 

[DGM]

I would say it showed tfk couldn't counter the arguments made against his position.

He never actually could, but there is a lot of noise here in the piranha tank, and without that noise his inability to counter those arguments was shown a lot faster.

This doesn't matter because you don't have a working alternative to the NIST or other reports.

Your dismissal with the Chandler video for no recorded explosives is a joke (and you know it).

 

[Tony Szamboti]

This doesn't matter because you don't have a working alternative to the NIST or other reports.

Your dismissal with the Chandler video for no recorded explosives is a joke (and you know it).

If NIST is wrong it means a new investigation is warranted.

 

[DGM]

If NIST is wrong it means a new investigation is warranted.

Why?

Several engineering organisations agree on the cause. There is no published alternative to fire and damage caused the collapses.

Why can't you do the work needed to prove you're belief?