The All Purpose Hillary Clinton Thread

[NoahFence]

CHC Bold Pac emailed me yet another survey...

Vice Presidential Poll

Who would you like to see run as Hillary's Vice President?
Sen. Bernie Sanders
Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Sec. Julian Castro
Sen. Cory Booker
Sec. Tom Perez
Sen. Tim Kaine
Rep. Xavier Becerra
Other

Why the heck are they doing this? Will the Clinton campaign really use this information to help choose a Vice Presidential candidate?

Donald Trump's would

 

[Maya22]

Donald Trump's would

I wonder if his campaign emailed his supporters a similar survey.

 

[Stacko]

CHC Bold Pac emailed me yet another survey...

Vice Presidential Poll

Who would you like to see run as Hillary's Vice President?
Sen. Bernie Sanders
Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Sec. Julian Castro
Sen. Cory Booker
Sec. Tom Perez
Sen. Tim Kaine
Rep. Xavier Becerra
Other

Why the heck are they doing this? Will the Clinton campaign really use this information to help choose a Vice Presidential candidate?

The biggest obstacle the Clinton campaign has to overcome is voter apathy. If there's a large showing of enthusiasm for one pick for VP, it will draw increased consideration to them because enthusiastic Democrats are more likely to go vote. It also brings in information on negatives the base sees with each candidate which is vital information as you're not going to win new voters with a VP pick but you can lose existing voters.

 

[The Atheist]

Because she supports healthcare and college tuition assistance. It's because she supports a raise in the minimum wage. It's because she supports higher taxes on the wealthy and infrastructure spending that creates jobs for the middle class. It's because she works to protect the environment. Its because she supports equal pay for equal work. She supports a woman's right to control her own body. It's because she supports maternity leave. It's because her actions shows she cares about everyday people.

And the Republicans support none of these things. Next question.

Ok, thanks.

What you seem to be saying is that her faults are outweighed by her positive goals. At least, that's all I can see, because you've ignored the faults entirely.

In any of the other democratic developed countries ....

Since I specifically asked about voters, that's going to mean specifically US voters as I don't think anyone else can vote in their election.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Sounds like stuff people say to please the masses when they want to be president.

That's funny ... Trump and other republicans don't really appear to say any of those things...

Evidence?

Indeed.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I wonder if his campaign emailed his supporters a similar survey.

Yes, at Made Up News, I got a copy of the mailer - it was sent to 311,845 people:

Dear GOP Member,

Would you be willing to run for Vice President? This will require a commitment of your time for only fourteen weeks - up to the loss at the General Election - and your party needs you.

If you are unable to run, which of the following would you favor:

Mike Pence - he's a guy in Indiana who several of you have heard of
Newt Gingrich - Newt is not a nickname. He's actually a newt. She turned him into one but he never got better.
Some General
Chris Christie - obsequious toadie and noted traffic engineer

We would prefer, as would most voters, if you would accept our invitation to stand for election. We have every assurance from the CDC that, to quote, their letter, ".... there is no evidence that the orange fungus is contagious...". We're fairly certain you won't catch Teh Stupid.

Now is the time for all good Republicans to come to the aid of the party. Think about it. You could meet Gary Busey.

Oh, and could you loan us a few bucks 'til payday?

Sincerely,

Your buddy, Rince.

 

[Varanid]

Why do left-leaning voters not despise her for the lying, treachery (to women) and coziness to Wall Street she is guilty of?

I don't accept your premises. I don't know what you mean by treachery to women, and if we discount politicians for lying, we're not going to have anyone to vote for.

But, aside from that, in this particular election cycle, she is the only reasonable choice. Trump is downright dangerous. I'd have preferred to vote for Obama for a 3rd term or Uncle Joe, but given the choices it's easy.

I tend to value intelligence (advantage Hillary), pragmatism (advantage Hillary), a left-leaning social platform (advantage Hillary) and the maturity to lead during times of turmoil (advantage Hillary).

 

[Varanid]

I have a sincere question for our republican-leaning members, if I may:

What was the first thing Hillary did that made you despise her?

Still waiting...

 

[The Atheist]

But, aside from that, in this particular election cycle, she is the only reasonable choice.

I'd go with "acceptable" rather than "reasonable", because there was a far more reasonable and better choice all round that the Dems failed to pick.

But yes, "better than Trump" will work.

 

[Trebuchet]

I'd go with "acceptable" rather than "reasonable", because there was a far more reasonable and better choice all round that the Dems failed to pick.

But yes, "better than Trump" will work.

Just one? I'd have picked most any other Democrat over Hillary. But she's still an order of magnitude better than the Trumpster. (Rhymes with dumpster.)

 

[Garrison]

In the fullness of time , I wonder if she will be known as the vilest female politician of modern times . And a convicted criminal .

And even if any of that came true (spoiler: it won't) she would still be a better candidate than Trump..

 

[Darat]

...snip...

Since I specifically asked about voters, that's going to mean specifically US voters as I don't think anyone else can vote in their election.

And I was pointing out that you are using a different definition for the same phrase to define Clinton than the USA folk do. It seems strange that you condemn her for not being what you consider "left".

 

[Travis]

I have a much better question, because I won't bother answering yours as I am a self-admitted capital S Socialist and I despise her in a way I only despise Tony Blair among self-labelled left-leaning politicians.

Why do left-leaning voters not despise her for the lying, treachery (to women) and coziness to Wall Street she is guilty of?

Treachery to women? She supports almost all the important women causes, most importantly the right to reproductive freedom.

And what has she ever done for Wall Street that is supposed to upset me?

Aside from that she has many positive goals that I support like raising the minimum wage, ensuring LGBT rights, subsidizing college, expanding health care, fixing infrastructure, and fighting climate change. All things the other major party oppose.

 

[The Atheist]

And I was pointing out that you are using a different definition for the same phrase to define Clinton than the USA folk do. It seems strange that you condemn her for not being what you consider "left".

Where did I do that?

I specifically noted: lying, treachery (to women) and coziness to Wall Street

You seem to be confusing posts or having difficulty reading what I actually typed.

Treachery to women? She supports almost all the important women causes, most importantly the right to reproductive freedom.

Dear oh dear - are you telling me you aren't aware of criticism of her duplicity when it comes to women? Ive posted these links before, but I guess you missed them, so here are a couple of starters:

http://observer.com/2015/11/why-bernie-sanders-cares-more-about-womens-issues-than-hillary-clinton/

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/02/the...sold_out_working_women_then_never_apologized/

And what has she ever done for Wall Street that is supposed to upset me?

You don't find it a little hypocritical to be claiming to stand for the oppressed when she's supping with the oppressors?

Each to their own.

.... ensuring LGBT rights, ....

Seriously?

A woman who did not even support gay marriage until 2013? Yeah, she's an LGBT champ alright. She hopped on the bandwagon once it was clearly supported by a majority.

Yes, many of her policy goals are excellent, and it's clear that people are prepared to forgive her despicable past in the hope those election promises ever come to fruition.

In the current race of two, it's certainly the best bet, but it seems to me this is a contest to find not the best person to lead USA but to find the one who is marginally not the worst.

 

[acbytesla]

Treachery to women? She supports almost all the important women causes, most importantly the right to reproductive freedom.

And what has she ever done for Wall Street that is supposed to upset me?

Aside from that she has many positive goals that I support like raising the minimum wage, ensuring LGBT rights, subsidizing college, expanding health care, fixing infrastructure, and fighting climate change. All things the other major party oppose.

Isn't it amusing how we're supposed to be s upset with Hillary because she accepted donations from corporations that we should cut our own throats in protest?

I've never seen what the other party has done for middle Americans other than make our lives harder.

Hillary during her 8 years in the Senate was the 11th most liberal Senator. Obama during his time in the Senate was ranked 23rd.

 

[Nakani]

What was the first thing Hillary did that made you despise her?

I don't know the first thing but I can name a few (in no particular order). The awkward way she pretends to do common folk stuff, 'cause she is a regular person just like you. The support of whatever is trendy, 'cause she feels just like you (well the majority anyway). The way she seems so out of place on talk shows, acting hip and cool. The worst is that finger pointing thing she does whenever she is on stage, what IS she pointing at?

 

[Foolmewunz]

I don't know the first thing but I can name a few (in no particular order). The awkward way she pretends to do common folk stuff, 'cause she is a regular person just like you. The support of whatever is trendy, 'cause she feels just like you (well the majority anyway). The way she seems so out of place on talk shows, acting hip and cool. The worst is that finger pointing thing she does whenever she is on stage, what IS she pointing at?

The question was in re causing you to DESPISE her. Those things barely merit "annoying". You might stretch it to "why I don't like her very much".... but "despise"? Really? Mayhaps there's more to this?

 

[Nakani]

The question was in re causing you to DESPISE her. Those things barely merit "annoying". You might stretch it to "why I don't like her very much".... but "despise"? Really? Mayhaps there's more to this?

Ok, maybe "despise" is a bit harsh but "don't like her very much", is not a stretch. I have always had an dislike for phony people and she just doesn't strike me as genuine at all.

 

[varwoche]

I don't know the first thing but I can name a few (in no particular order). The awkward way she pretends to do common folk stuff, 'cause she is a regular person just like you. The support of whatever is trendy, 'cause she feels just like you (well the majority anyway). The way she seems so out of place on talk shows, acting hip and cool. The worst is that finger pointing thing she does whenever she is on stage, what IS she pointing at?

This begs the question, is it even possible to array a more superficial list of criticisms?

 

[Trebuchet]

I don't like her very much either, but compared to Trump....