Vixen really does lie in a polite manner.
Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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There is a factor which I feel has been overlooked. If Amanda and Raffaele were guilty, they were engaged in a vicious struggle in a small room. Amanda and Raffaele must have known they would probably have left forensic traces in the room and the police would compare DNA etc with the housemates. According to Vixen Amanda and Raffaele left blood in the bathroom, bloody footprints and Raffaele left his footprint on the bathmat. If this was the case, why is it that Amanda and Raffaele don't seem to be concerned about all the evidence they have left in the cottage?
Vixen
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More tea, vicar?
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You really have nothing to offer except fantasies of sex between two people you've never met, as well as ad hominem.
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Especially since Raff and Amanda are so "cunning", "astute" and "know how to clean a crime scene".
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I wonder if she has that "well known and recognized sleazy look" to her eyes?
It's a fact supported by an expert; a cop from the 1940's.
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Not really, because the scientific experts, the legal experts, Hellman, the Italian Supreme Court, and everyone else who knows how to think realizes Amanda and Raffaele were not present when Meredith was murdered by Rudy Guede.
There are a few people who happen to still be perplexed, however. Let's try this again:
You are saying Amanda and Raffaele (along with Rudy) were engaged in a vicious struggle with Meredith and violently murdered her by stabbing her with (two?) knives. They managed to monitor the situation to such a degree that they cleaned up ALL evidence of themselves in the murder room and left ONLY evidence of Rudy Guede.
However, you simultaneously believe Amanda and Raffaele left blood in the bathroom, and bloody footprints in the hallway and the bathroom.
Why would they simultaneously clean up the murder room so perfectly and yet leave all of this bloody evidence of themselves everywhere else?
Remember, the PIP's explanation is that, since the "bloody footprints" also match Rudy Guede that all of this evidence was left by Rudy alone. So Amanda and Raf did not have some miraculous cleanup of the murder room (while leaving evidence of Rudy), yet all of a sudden forgot about the bathroom and hallway. Rather, Rudy did it by himself which is why there is only evidence of Rudy.
You however have (another) clear contradiction. This is indeed a conundrum that perplexes people who do not know how to think rationally. Can you elaborate?
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Let's forget Hellmann and the Italian Supreme Court for a minute.
Please note that in the last few days Vixen has had to "modify" Nencini's motivations report. Apparently, the Nencini motivations report does not match what innocentisti believe is true.....
..... it is increasingly not matching what Vixen believes is true!
The two items recently that Vixen has offered - Nencini got the timing of the SMS message Lumumba sent to Knox on Nov 5th wrong. Vixen thinks Nick van der Leek is now the new Oracle at Delphi, who thinks Nencini placed that SMS message on the wrong side of Popovic's sighting of Knox at the apartment.
And...... Nencini made a typo in claiming that **Raffaele's** DNA was on he blade of the knife. How many more of these mistakes - from a guilt-point-of-view - need to be pointed out, even by the guilters?
Remember Massei, who had convicted in 2009. Between Dec 2009 and April 2010 no one knew why Massei had convicted - only that he had. This very thread was filled with guilters who were free to speculate - often wildly - as to why.
Then....... his motivations report came out. It was almost as if guilters did not bother to read it. Why? Because:
- rather than the assumed strained relation between Kercher and Knox as claimed ad nauseam by guilters, Massei said they'd had a normal house-mate relationship.
- rather than mixed blood as claimed ad nauseam by guilters,, Massei said what the Scientific police found was Kercher's blood and Knox's biological material
- rather than it being a sex game gone wrong, or the result of Knox's psychopathology as claimed ad nauseam by guilters, Massei said the real cause was a young student far from the normal constraints of life at home, and perhaps a toke of marijuana.
- rather than a clean-up in the murder room, an impossible one at that, Massei only discussed a theorized clean-up in the short hall-space between Kercher's room and the bathroom bath mat, "or else I would be at a loss to explain how the foottrack got there with nothing inbetween." Massei left unexplained why there was no presence of Knox or Sollecito in the murder room.
- rather than some grand conspiracy between Knox and Guede to commit this murder as claimed ad nauseam by guilters, Massei conceded that Raffaele had had no contact at all with Guede, and Knox had only met the guy on two or three casual occasions.
- rather than the constant changing of stories by Knox as claimed ad nauseam by guilters, there is no constant changing of stories in Massei by Knox or Raffaele prior to interrogation, or even after it. The one constant is the affirmation of her non-involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher, so says Massei.
- rather than multiple attackers being a proven fact (as opposed to a judicial truth) as claimed ad nauseam by guilters, Massei rules that it is multiple attackers on grounds other than the expert-forensics, mainly because he convicted Knox and Sollecito, not that the single attacker theory was impossible. It was very possible.
- rather than Raffaele calling the Carabinieri AFTER the postal-police's arrival, Massei places that call BEFORE their arrival, contrary to what guilters had claimed ad nauseam.
I'm starting to get that feeling about how they feel about the Nencini report.
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And, they successfully disposed of one of the knives but the other they vigorously scrubbed in bleach (except for the spot where the potato starch was) and placed it back in the kitchen drawer. You know, just to be daring.
Nick van der Leek is an absolute nobody in this world. In fact he's an absolute nobody in South Africa as well.
He claimed to be a friend of the Oscar Pistorius murdered Reeva Steenkamp....bloody liar.
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His real claim to fame was that he searched the usual guilt websites to cut and paste from them to write..... ah, er, assemble a book.
He included a timeline of the crime assembled by a Seattle supporter of Amanda's which he cut and pasted. When the supporter complained about copyright, van der Leek tried to dox her, but got the wrong person. That did not stop him from being rather rude to this unknown, uninvolved person.
At least he eventually apologized, and if I'm not mistaken eventually got in touch with the right person and (IIRC) pulled the time line. Much ado about a lot of cutting and pasting.
He acknowledged a list of rather dubious proof readers. If he had paid them he should consider getting his money back!!
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All in your mind, Bill, as I am only quoting Amanda herself. I haven't mentioned sex at all.
We can see how the lie develops. In her email home, she claims "Raff accidentally spilled some water" 4 Nov 2007.
In his statement to the police, 5 Nov, Raff doesn't mention anything about a flooded kitchen or leaking/burst pipes at all.
By the time they are arrested and in prison, the lie begins to develop bells and whistles:
So already Raff is trying to preclude he had anything to do with its detachment.
Unfortunately for Amanda, in her statement to the police 6 Nov 2007, she says they ate after 23:00 and after that the 'pipes under the sink broke' as they washed up.
Massei established that Papa Raff, being as he is a respectable upright citizen could not have been lying when he said Raff mentioned the pipes leaking after washing up and 'there had been a flood'. His last call to his boy was 20:42, yet in her various testimonies Amanda moves the leak further and further back from 21:45 to 23:30.
Citing Massei:
From being a 'few rags on the floor' it develops into an all-singing-all-dancing 'flooded half the house'.
By the time of the trial, Amanda testifies, 12 June 2009:
So Raff has a leak that 'floods half the house' and he says, 'Oh let's roll a joint'
Come the next day, 13 June 2009, the story develops a complete Mr Bojangles razzamatazz:
This might be to be consistent with Amanda's statement to the police 6 Nov 2007:
However, come 2013, she can relax and breathe again and this time it becomes 21:15:
Strangely, she leaves out the curious observation about the 'blood on Raff's hand' she related to the police 6 Nov 2007. Such an imaginative piece of creative writing, too.
Raff in Honor Bound has acquired a whole tin of gilt paint as he gilds the lily with a tale of woe about how he'd only just had a leaky pipe last week, he'd bought something to fix it (putty?) but the pipes somehow managed to detach themselves.
Just a short paragraph, as Raff doesn't want to dwell on this mishap for too long.
But hey! There's the explanation for the Vileda mop!
When Amanda said 'spilled', she meant 'leaked'. Of course she did. It was 'spilled water that leaked from a pipe'. (Letter to solicitors 9 Nov 2007)
LOL in the Sollecito's world "water runs uphill".
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Mr van der Leek is busy dishing out books on the "Making a Murder/Steven Averey" case and of course on Pistorius, the Meredith Kercher aka Amanda Knox case isn't attracting enough casual buyers to be financially interesting. Last time I heard from Mr van der Leek, he announced on TJMK, that he would destroy Popovic in his next book. That one was announced for "Spring 2016"... So it looks like Mr van der Leek is busy elsewhere...
Just for the record, I just love Mr van der Leek's response to this review: An interesting read..., June 24, 2015...
(The inside joke is, that he's adressing a German speaking reviewer
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Van der Leek is nothing more (or less) that that ignoble form of non-fiction (especially crime) "writer" who looks for sensationalist cases in the news, then quickly and very un-artfully pulls a book together to exploit the public's prurient interest in the case. There appears to be a ready audience of "true crime" book enthusiasts who lap up this kind of crap, so in some ways it's a canny endeavour on the part of people such as vdLeek.
But where proper writers will have true insight into the subjects of their work - usually by dint of either a close professional connection with the subjects and/or their alleged actions, or by dint of being expert investigative reporters who will spend months of hard graft doing background research and contacting every possible protagonist and associated party - hacks such as vdLeek simply start with a web trawl, and (in a case such as this) latching on to willing and compliant internet communities, who very often fall over themselves to promote their own agenda to someone who's WRITING A BOOK!!!
What those hacks can end up with is a quick-and-dirty book which, in this era of self-publishing, vanity publishing and low-end commercial publishing, can look reasonable professional and respectable at face value sitting on a book shop shelf. That's the key. That and leading the prospective reader in with some juicy claims or details on the front and rear covers. Before you know it..... BOOM! Another true-crime junkie is drawn (like a moth to a flame - or a moth to Ronaldo's forehead....) to the glossy cover, sensationalist claims and overall gruesomeness and salaciousness of the subject matter. That'll be $9.95 please!
In this specific case, we also had the particularly unusual and unedifying spectacle of dreadful, poorly-informed books being published by people who should have known far better (hello Follain and Nadeau!) but who were almost certainly blinded by the lure of making a quick buck to supplement their day-job wages. And the even more dreadful "Darkness Descending", which was a bizarre mashup of reportage, crime novel (complete with totally invented dialogue and attribution of emotional ranges) and platform for biassed idiots such as Garofano. But I suspect none of them was a bad as vdLeek's effort.
As I said before, I suppose in a strange way one ought to admire the commercial instincts of his methods - just as, for example, one might strangely admire the commercial instincts of someone selling hot dogs at a public execution. The real shame should lie with the people who buy this kind of rubbish, and especially with those who fed him with biassed, vindictive and often flat-out mendacious "information" for his book. Whoever they might be.
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Vixen
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Especially since Raff and Amanda are so "cunning", "astute" and "know how to clean a crime scene".
It's really not difficult, Stacy: you simply clean in the obvious places. There were a lot of smeared footprints in Amanda's room, consistent with the pair shuffling around on a soft cloth ( from this the shuffled bathmat story was born).
Forensic police can only test a limited number of places, so which places do they select for their forensic testing?
That's right: exactly the same places the perps cleaned up!
Vixen
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"Take the beam from thine own eye."
Vixen
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Imagine you spill some soup in the kitchen. Er, you clean up the spot the soup stained.
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He said he discovered Reeva was a friend on his FB.
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Nick is a brilliant, original and perceptive writer. It's just as well Karen Pruett kicked up a stink about her Ground Report timeline, because - as with so many of the documents on the PIPs' sites - it leaves out half the story!
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