People in China adopting custom-made white babies?

[Roboramma]

Yeah I'm not convinced that it's not real, but I couldn't find anything about it on google. Not convinced either way but curious, I guess.

 

[cullennz]

From what I know the Chinese do research on human embryos there.

But it's mainly medical.

I found a reference to immunity to HIV but can't post till tomorrow.

The whole white baby stealing thing is just stupid.

No offence to the OP

 

[Minoosh]

From what I know the Chinese do research on human embryos there.

And I really don't have a big problem with that, but the PRC is not exactly a transparent government. Other countries have rules about when such embryos must be destroyed. Those "Western" countries could be ignoring their own rules and China could be scrupulously following Western medical ethics. I do think malfeasance would be less likely to be exposed in China.

I found a reference to immunity to HIV but can't post till tomorrow.

I saw that. Great advances could occur. But IMO China is kind of a black box. In my perception people live highly ordered lives, access to information is strictly controlled and individual rights are not emphasized. A different culture.

The whole white baby stealing thing is just stupid.

I'm not claiming anyone is stealing white babies. Just that they are being cultivated in the U.S. and adopted in China. This is what she says. I've just been trying to envision the process by which the pregnant surrogate eventually yields up the babies. If a Chinese wants to adopt a baby that look a certain way, that's not so different than couples in the U.S. shopping for eggs and sperm. I am treating as true her claim (once removed) that she arranges for sperm, eggs, IVF and surrogate mothers to create infants who end up in China. A key question I have is whether these babies are born in the U.S.

Which part is bollocks? I'm not offended; I am questioning my own perceptions as much as anything else. I won't bump the thread forever.

 

[Minoosh]

These babies could actually be for infertile U.S. citizens who live in China.

Assuming they (the babies) exist.

So there's one explanation that's pretty innocuous.

 

[cullennz]

And I really don't have a big problem with that, but the PRC is not exactly a transparent government. Other countries have rules about when such embryos must be destroyed. Those "Western" countries could be ignoring their own rules and China could be scrupulously following Western medical ethics. I do think malfeasance would be less likely to be exposed in China.

I saw that. Great advances could occur. But IMO China is kind of a black box. In my perception people live highly ordered lives, access to information is strictly controlled and individual rights are not emphasized. A different culture.



I'm not claiming anyone is stealing white babies. Just that they are being cultivated in the U.S. and adopted in China. This is what she says. I've just been trying to envision the process by which the pregnant surrogate eventually yields up the babies. If a Chinese wants to adopt a baby that look a certain way, that's not so different than couples in the U.S. shopping for eggs and sperm. I am treating as true her claim (once removed) that she arranges for sperm, eggs, IVF and surrogate mothers to create infants who end up in China. A key question I have is whether these babies are born in the U.S.

Which part is bollocks? I'm not offended; I am questioning my own perceptions as much as anything else. I won't bump the thread forever.

There is literally zero evidence that white skinned babies are somehow wanted and the majority of domestic Chinese are some of the most insular people on earth.

 

[AcesHigh]

define a "white" baby!

a baby that is as pale as a sheet of paper???


american egg and sperm donors. Because obviously, all americans are as nordic looking as vikings.

 

[Dipayan]

In today's global world, I find this post to be strange. People, when going through IVF, have multiple demands about the donors. The only thing of note here is that the demand is of a particular race (more than of a particular nationality; hence the blonde hair/blue eyes stereotype). Which isn't uncommon at all.

If you are worried about the children, why? Is it because they have American sperm and egg donors? How is that important? What if it was an American sperm donor and a Canadian egg donor?

If your worry is that they are being expatriated without their 'consent', there are millions of children born in the US who go through circumcision without their consent. If physical mutilation is fine as long as the parents do it, changing their geolocation would also be perfectly fine, right?

 

[AcesHigh]

There is literally zero evidence that white skinned babies are somehow wanted and the majority of domestic Chinese are some of the most insular people on earth.

there is quite a lot of racism in China, including against people of european ethnic background.


chinese and most east asians like fair skin, not necessarily european ethnicity fair skin, which comes attached to people with big noses, etc.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I only found one article. Not a ton of information, and I haven't finished reading it (I have to run right now), but seemed not-too-dumb.

Plausible reason: They're seeking US citizenship for their children. Long-term planning for immigration.

Alternative reason brought to you by me: They're training sleeper agents to enact a coup in the distant future

 

[Minoosh]

There is literally zero evidence that white skinned babies are somehow wanted and the majority of domestic Chinese are some of the most insular people on earth.

This is what I said, in questioning this practice, but then you said racial attitudes had relaxed.

I don't think my friend is lying to me and I don't know why this woman would lie to my friend. According to him, she is in China right now. Assuming she's not lying, embryos are being created and implanted in the U.S., and being adopted, or something, in China.

It's not physical evidence; arguably it is eyewitness evidence, though hearsay is a possible descriptor. My friend has not seen pink little munchkins jetting West on Air China in the company of his girlfriend.

IOW it's not the best evidence, but it's not zero; I can't vouch for her reliability but he has no reason to lie to me. She could tell him anything, of course.

 

[cullennz]

This is what I said, in questioning this practice, but then you said racial attitudes had relaxed.

I don't think my friend is lying to me and I don't know why this woman would like to my friend. According to him, she is in China right now. Assuming she's not lying, embryos are being created and implanted in the U.S., and being adopted, or something, in China.

It's not physical evidence; arguably it is eyewitness evidence, though hearsay is a possible descriptor. My friend has not seen pink little munchkins jetting West on Air China in the company of his girlfriend.

IOW it's not the best evidence, but it's not zero; I can't vouch for her reliability but he has no reason to lie to me. She could tell him anything, of course.

They have relaxed in the massive and still rising middle classes.

But they wouldn't need the embryos

 

[Joey McGee]

lol Minoosh, as if you posted something this *********** crazy and inflammatory and stupid with no source.

 

[Minoosh]

define a "white" baby!

a baby that is as pale as a sheet of paper???


american egg and sperm donors. Because obviously, all americans are as nordic looking as vikings.

No, of course not. I just figured if people wanted a Chinese baby they'd stick with the place where most Chinese live. That's a theory, OK? AFAIK people can shop for whatever characteristics they want, to the extent that sperm and egg donors make disclosures about family history and health, and the extent to which the law permits. That varies a lot from state to state.

Before race came up I asked my friend (in genuine befuddlement, not forensically) why someone in China would adopt from the U.S. He said, "Maybe they want a blond-haired, blue-eyed baby." I was not trying to lead the witness! He actually does not know much more than the basics I've asserted. *Donor sperm, donor egg, IVF, surrogate mom in U.S.; infant ends up in China*. And his GF is "very entrepreneurial."

Does just the part between asterisks sound plausible?

 

[Joey McGee]

I don't think my friend is lying to me and I don't know why this woman would lie to my friend

Because people are petty, insane and hateful. Why do you think people make up lies about being raped by aliens or being brainwashed and controlled by the CIA?

 

[Minoosh]

lol Minoosh, as if you posted something this *********** crazy and inflammatory and stupid with no source.

Look what I have put between asterisk in my response to Ace High. That's the basics, that's what was reported to me. Does that part sound plausible? Leaving out whatever speculation I've made.

 

[Minoosh]

The only thing of note here is that the demand is of a particular race (more than of a particular nationality; hence the blonde hair/blue eyes stereotype)

This blue eyes/blond hair was speculative on the part of my friend. All he knew is his GF found donor sperm, donor egg, IVF, surrogate mom in U.S. And babies end up in China. They could be looking for the next LeBron James for all I know. They could be cherry-picking Chinese American CEOs.

If you are worried about the children, why?

Because they may be U.S. citizens being shipped to an uncertain fate in a repressive regime. Or they could have a great life. I just want to know more about the mechanics of the process.

Is it because they have American sperm and egg donors? How is that important? What if it was an American sperm donor and a Canadian egg donor?

I'd be interested in the baby's citizenship and its rights in whatever jurisdiction it's born in.

If physical mutilation is fine as long as the parents do it, changing their geolocation would also be perfectly fine, right?

Who are you arguing with? I've never asserted that either is perfectly fine.

 

[Minoosh]

I only found one article. Not a ton of information, and I haven't finished reading it (I have to run right now), but seemed not-too-dumb.

Plausible reason: They're seeking US citizenship for their children. Long-term planning for immigration.

Thanks. If you can post a link at some point, great. This is all I wanted - more info if someone had it. If they are creating U.S. citizens I assume there is some process for issuing travel documents to send the child to its adoptive Chinese parents and I'd like to know more about it.

 

[Joey McGee]

Look what I have put between asterisk in my response to Ace High. That's the basics, that's what was reported to me. Does that part sound plausible?

No.

 

[Caper]

Wait a sec. Madonna and Angelina Jolie made a big deal about adopting black babies from Africa.
What the heck is wrong with people in China wanting to do something similar?
If you have the money, a whole lot of things are possible.
Rich people often do curious things with their money that the rest of us don't consider.

White people don't need helping... Come on now.

 

[cullennz]

I think your friend is confusing the Chinese with aliens