Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

I can't be arsed to trawl back through this, but I'm guessing Daniel hasn't covered his change of position in the past few months from considering Flat Earthism ridiculous to becoming a "serious" cheerleader for it.
 
Tolls said:
I can't be arsed to trawl back through this, but I'm guessing Daniel hasn't covered his change of position in the past few months from considering Flat Earthism ridiculous to becoming a "serious" cheerleader for it.
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As I recall, he said when he considered the arguments he changed his mind. This seems hard to reconcile with his inability now to address the arguments, but there it is.
 
sts60 said:
Actually, in the space business we use materials that have the right combination of reflecting and emitting at the right wavelengths.
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1. "We" as in "You"...?

2. Are you saying "Outer Space" ('space business') as in... a Vacuum?? If so, Begging The Question (Fallacy).

3. What are those Materials 'Specifically' and what are their respective melting points...?

4. What are they reflecting/emitting INTO...?

5. Wavelengths ?? :boggled: Have you heard of Quantum Mechanics, by chance??

"Alright So, today we're gonna shoot down Newtonian Mechanics and Maxwell's Theory. We're like the Press, we build somebody up only to destroy them".
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics I: The key experiments and wave-particle duality. (2:00 mark.)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2eFv7ne_Q

Photons are 'Particles'; they are the "Quanta" of ALL forms of 'Electromagnetic Radiation' --- (Radio Waves, Infrared Rays, Visible Light, Ultraviolet Rays, X Rays, and Gamma Rays). When they "opine" and clumsily stutter..."The Wave-Particle Duality of Light"...ahh, "The Wave" part in that expression isn't a Physical Wave (EM or otherwise)...it's denoted as "The Wave Function".

According to Quantum Mechanics...the most Experimentally Verified discipline in the History of "Real" Science; Independent of the KNOWLEDGE of the "Which-Path Information"... particles (Photons/electrons/atoms/molecules) have no defined properties or location. They exist in a state of a Wave Function which is a series of Potentialities rather than actual objects. That is, "Matter" doesn't exist as a Wave of Energy prior to the Creation of the Knowledge of the "Which-Path Information" but as a Wave of Potentialities.
Wave "Functions" aren't "Waves"(Classical Peak/Troughs) they are "Potentialities" i.e., Probabilities, they have no Mass/Energy. That is, you can't measure the Wavelength and Frequency of a Wave Function (LOL). The "Wave" of a Wave Function is not a "Wave" in "Physical Space", it's merely an abstract mathematical construct.
Can I ask, do you think Photons/electrons/atoms/molecules are riding on "Waves" like Kelly Slater @ the Billabong Tahiti Pro ?? :boggled:

“The WAVE of the wave function, however, IS NOT A WAVE IN PHYSICAL SPACE; it is a wave in an ABSTRACT MATHEMATICAL "SPACE", and in this respect it differs fundamentally from water waves or waves on a string.” [2][3][4][5][6][7][8] --- ( 2. Max Born, 3. Heisenberg, 4. Heisenberg (translated from Niels Bohr), 5. Murdoch, 6. de Broglie…)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function


Regarding The Wave Function: "This wave here is not a physical wave, it does not carry any energy. And it's not even a property of a beam of photons, it's a property of one photon....The Wave is purely mathematical, it's a construct we use to determine what will happen in this experiment."
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics I: The key experiments and wave-particle duality. (20:30 mark.)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2eFv7ne_Q

"Einstein thought that a complete description of physical reality should refer directly to physical space and time, as DISTINCT from THE WAVE FUNCTION, which refers to an ABSTRACT MATHEMATICAL SPACE."
Einstein, A. (1998). P. A. Schlipp, ed. Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist. The Library of Living Philosophers VII (3rd ed.).



"The entire Quantum Mystery is in the Double-Slit Experiment".
Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale.
Quantum Mechanics II: (Time: 3:10)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHoHv05_Wo ...


So in the typical Young Double-Slit Experiment (No Slit Detectors), whenever a Photon/electron/atom/molecule is fired toward the double-slit, what's in-between the 1. Emitter --- Double Slit?? 2. Double Slit --- Photographic Plate (Detector) ??

1. Absolutely Nothing Physical ! All 'potentialities' are in Superposition (Wave Function(s)). Here's "The RUB"...

2. Absolutely Nothing Physical ! It's as if "Equations" are fired then proceed through both slits, Interfering with each other LIKE --- "Water Waves", then hit the Photographic Plate/Detector as discrete chunks (" Quanta ") of momenta (i.e., Particles).

Just like if you turn on an overhead light to read a book, you only SEE where those Photons interact with matter "The Book", Photon Source ect. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING "Physical" between the Light Bulb and that book.

The 'electromagnetic field' itself is produced by photons...not the other way around.

And fyi, Quantum Mechanics and materialism/realism/methodological naturalism basically "atheism" are Direct Contradictions---Married Bachelors!!


regards
 
daniel said:
1. "We" as in "You"...? ...
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Hi, Daniel. I'm already servicing, albeit on a part-time basis, two other trolls (one "true" troll and one "functional" troll). You'll have to take a number.

Yes, I do believe you are just yanking people's chains in this thread, and no, I do not believe you actually subscribe to the flat-Earth notion. Therefore, as of right now, if you want to engage my services, please provide an RFQ and a statement of work, and I'll get back to you.
 
You still haven't explained sunset, Daniel. How far away is the sun at sunset, would you say? Just approximately.

When the sun's directly overhead in, say, Ecuador, it's setting on the horizon in Cameroon about 6,000 miles away. How about that figure? Any objection to that?

And you claimed the sun is 2,500 miles above the earth. So viewed from Yaounde or Kinshasa, the sun passing directly over Quito ought to be a little over 6,000 miles West and 2,500 miles up, putting it over 20° above the horizon for those observers in Africa.

Well I've seen the sunset, and in the real world it doesn't pop out of existence from 20° up in the sky.

Busted.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
You still haven't explained sunset, Daniel. How far away is the sun at sunset, would you say? Just approximately.

When the sun's directly overhead in, say, Ecuador, it's setting on the horizon in Cameroon about 6,000 miles away. How about that figure? Any objection to that?

And you claimed the sun is 2,500 miles above the earth. So viewed from Yaounde or Kinshasa, the sun passing directly over Quito ought to be a little over 6,000 miles West and 2,500 miles up, putting it over 20° above the horizon for those observers in Africa.

Well I've seen the sunset, and in the real world it doesn't pop out of existence from 20° up in the sky.

Busted.
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Well, that ain't going to work. There is no arguing with an inability to comprehend 3D spatial reasoning. This inability is far more common than one might think. While it may seem self evident to you or I, and while either of us could demonstrate it using simple math or even simpler diagrams, there do exist those who can't understand it.

Consider Daniel's latest rot. Balloons. Somehow, there must be a network of balloons at or near the equator such that sat dishes in the southern hemisphere (or the outer part of the disk, if one is an idiot) must point north, sat dishes in the northern hemisphere must perforce point south and anyone near the equator must point their dish straight up.

These claims have consequences.

- There must be a lot of them.
- They will require maintenance and or a replacement program.
- There must therefore be many people, thousands of people, involved in maintaining such a program.
- Nobody ever sees any of these people, nor any of the balloons.
- There must be a global conspiracy worldwide in which not only does every government participate without exception, but every employee of every government participates without exception.
- Trigonometry is false, all of math is false.

I could keep going, but the picture is clear. Such claims are prima facie insane. However, proponents of such potty claims will always make even wilder claims when they are painted into a corner. Thus the current claim of a preposterous balloon network. Balloons which can neither be seen or detected while simultaneously churning out TV signals. Basic sigint tells me this is baloney. My years in uni tell me this is baloney. Designing directional antennae tells me this is baloney.

Now I don't use sat TV, nevertheless, it so happens that I have one attached to one of my exterior walls courtesy of the previous incumbent of my home with cables still up and running and still active. I am not paying for it or even using it. What do I care? I am equipped, however, to test it. If such a balloon network exists, then I should be able to point that dish at the next balloon and get the very same signal from the next balloon in the network of balloons. Turns out that you can't. The conclusion is that there is a single balloon in the FE model hovering over the earth. There are no other balloons to point at.

Where would one place that sole balloon? Logically, over the north pole to cover a flat earth. In FE, all sat dishes should be pointed north (doesn't happen) and SNR should always be worse in, say Australia, as opposed to Greenland. That doesn't happen either.
 
Globe Map: The circumference of the earth is ~24,901 miles. The shortest distance from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia is due West on the Southern Hemisphere. 7058 miles
http://tjpeiffer.com/crowflies.html
To fly from Santiago to Sydney nonstop takes 16.5 hours. 7058 m. / 16.5 h. = 428 mph.
quantas.com

Flat Earth Map: The diameter of the earth is ~25,000 miles. The shortest flat earth plate distance from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia is a straight line due North from the Southern Hemisphere over the US, over near the North Pole, over the Northern Hemisphere then South to Sydney. Scaling from the flat earth map, the distance is ~ 70% of the diameter, or 17,500 m.

Since we know that to fly from Santiago to Sydney nonstop takes 16.5 hours at 428 mph average, it would either take 41 nonstop hours or 1,065 mph plane speed to flat earth fly between those two points.

Globe theory of earth verified.
 
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If Daniel really believed his stuff, it would also be amusing to point out that his balloons would have to go through the All-Melty Thermosphere to get to where the sat TV antennas are pointing. Heh.
 
BasqueArch, if you're going to post a map of Earth, next time please don't post it in 1:1 scale! :-)
 
sts60 said:
BasqueArch, if you're going to post a map of Earth, next time please don't post it in 1:1 scale! :-)
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Yep. That was simply a booboo. A voluminous booboo, but a booboo nevertheless. Could be intentional, but BasqueArch does not do that as a rule. Likely, the mods should edit, but probably not intentional.
 
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