Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

Ergo, it decreases as it gets farther from the earth, until the vacuum of space and the atmospheric pressure are equal(roughly).


This is ludicrous. There is no such place in Shangri-La where " Vacuum " Pressure is = to the Atmospheric Pressure. :rolleyes: It's Orders of Magnitude away from equilibrium @ BEST (SEE: previous post where I listed the "Torrs" with respect to elevation.)


Your mistake is assuming the pressure at the edge of the atmosphere is the same as at the surface of the planet.


There is no mistake and no assumption...just the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics :thumbsup: which you are in Direct Contradiction of, and...

“If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to collapse in the deepest humiliation.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74.

How's it feel ?

regards
 
This is ludicrous. There is no such place in Shangri-La where " Vacuum " Pressure is = to the Atmospheric Pressure. :rolleyes: It's Orders of Magnitude away from equilibrium @ BEST (SEE: previous post where I listed the "Torrs" with respect to elevation.)


There is no mistake and no assumption...just the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics :thumbsup: which you are in Direct Contradiction of, and...

“If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to collapse in the deepest humiliation.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74.

How's it feel ?

regards
Since you've demontrated your mathematical incompetence already, I trust you'll forgive me if I don't take your claim as proven just because you say it is.
 
As with the ocean, so with the atmosphere.


This is preposterous ludicrousness to be quite frank.


And of course the force which causes this effect is not 'density'...


What is it then...?


Take that rail gun, firing over the horizon at Mach 7 -


Yes, "Let's".


even if we assume the projectile doesn't slow at all, it'll still have a flight time of 80 seconds to reach a target 125 miles away.


Yes, and....?

www.metabunk.org/curve/

Plug 125 miles in 'Distance in Miles' and 100 Feet for 'Height in Elevation' then scroll down and take a peak. Then EXPLAIN...

How a Non Self-Propelled "Projectile" ( A "BULLET") can negotiate a "Bulge Height" of 2604 feet (ascent then descent) traveling @ Mach 7 (lol) and hit a target that's hidden behind 8,476 feet of curvature without violating every Ballistics/Physical Law (and common sense) known to mankind ....?


If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?


This is tantamount to asking: how long is a piece of string?

Depends on Muzzle Velocity for the most part.

regards
 
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This is tantamount to asking: how long is a piece of string?

Depends on Muzzle Velocity for the most part.

regards

Classic!!

No, it doesn't depend on muzzle velocity at all, nor any false equivalence to a piece of string. It will drop precisely the same distance vertically as if you had released it from your hand with no horizontal impetus. Precisely.

Now, having displayed your mathematical and physics ignorance, perhaps you could show us your arithmetic prowess and work out how far a bullet will drop in 80 seconds if just dropped from your grip?
 
So...

Before we get to the Encyclopedic Volumes of FAKE PHOTOS...


SEE Video (Start @ 3:00)... www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjglwMPvzVo (from: http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/october/nasa-premieres-trial-by-fire-video-on-orion-s-flight-test )

The Orion Spacecraft, NASA says...Speaking of the Van Allen Radiation Belts:

"We must pass through the Dangerous Van Allen Radiation Belts...Radiation like this can harm the Guidance System, On-Board Computers, and other Electronics on Orion...we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of Space". :jaw-dropp

Wait, What, Huh? :boggled: --- Didn't you ALREADY "SOLVE THESE CHALLENGES" before you PASSED THROUGH these Belts TWICE EACH (in 1/8 inch aluminum) nearly 50 years ago from 1969 -1972 with Apollo 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ?? Remember the ahhh....MOON MISSIONS, by chance ??? :rolleyes: 1000000000000000 ------>
Goodness Gracious, Hilarious !! Welcome to Shangri-La.


oy vey
 
So...

Before we get to the Encyclopedic Volumes of FAKE PHOTOS...


SEE Video (Start @ 3:00)... www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjglwMPvzVo (from: http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/october/nasa-premieres-trial-by-fire-video-on-orion-s-flight-test )

The Orion Spacecraft, NASA says...Speaking of the Van Allen Radiation Belts:

"We must pass through the Dangerous Van Allen Radiation Belts...Radiation like this can harm the Guidance System, On-Board Computers, and other Electronics on Orion...we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of Space". :jaw-dropp

Wait, What, Huh? :boggled: --- Didn't you ALREADY "SOLVE THESE CHALLENGES" before you PASSED THROUGH these Belts TWICE EACH (in 1/8 inch aluminum) nearly 50 years ago from 1969 -1972 with Apollo 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ?? Remember the ahhh....MOON MISSIONS, by chance ??? :rolleyes: 1000000000000000 ------>
Goodness Gracious, Hilarious !! Welcome to Shangri-La.


oy vey

They passed through a different region with Apollo and they were specifically testing the electronics on the new craft which are more senstive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4gSRy1tHls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuH4rxda3Z4
 
Classic!!

No, it doesn't depend on muzzle velocity at all...


:boggled: So.... "If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

So you're saying (LOL, btw) that if I fired a...

9mm: Muzzle Velocity ~ 400 meters/second AND a...

.223: Muzzle Velocity ~ 1000 meters/second...

They would drop EQUALLY over a given distance ?? :boggled:

And then...you call this "Classic", eh?


Take the next 3 days off...then quit :thumbsup:


oy vey
 
:boggled: So.... "If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

So you're saying (LOL, btw) that if I fired a...

9mm: Muzzle Velocity ~ 400 meters/second AND a...

.223: Muzzle Velocity ~ 1000 meters/second...

They would drop EQUALLY over a given distance ?? :boggled:

And then...you call this "Classic", eh?


Take the next 3 days off...then quit :thumbsup:


oy vey

They will drop equally over the same TIME, accelerating downward at 1G. So will your railgun. The one with the higher muzzle velocity will naturally travel a greater horizontal distance in that time.
 
:boggled: So.... "If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

So you're saying (LOL, btw) that if I fired a...

9mm: Muzzle Velocity ~ 400 meters/second AND a...

.223: Muzzle Velocity ~ 1000 meters/second...

They would drop EQUALLY over a given distance ?? :boggled:

And then...you call this "Classic", eh?


Take the next 3 days off...then quit :thumbsup:


oy vey

Show us your maths then.
Even my kids could do this one.

Come on.
 
They passed through a different region with Apollo and they were specifically testing the electronics on the new craft which are more senstive.


1. Really?? What different "REGION" is that, pray tell....?

Then show us "Visually" where the Van Allen Radiation Belts start and finish and breadth in relation to the Earth...?

I suppose we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for this SUPPORT, eh? :thumbsup:

2. I'm not all that focused on the "Electronics" part (which your appeal here is nonsensical, btw), I'm more interested in the "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of Space", part.


regards
 
1. Really?? What different "REGION" is that, pray tell....?

Then show us "Visually" where the Van Allen Radiation Belts start and finish and breadth in relation to the Earth...?

I suppose we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for this SUPPORT, eh? :thumbsup:

2. I'm not all that focused on the "Electronics" part (which your appeal here is nonsensical, btw), I'm more interested in the "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of Space", part.


regards
thank you for proving you didn't watch the videos I linked. Those show how they went around the belts and through the thinner outer edges. Orion went into the center and thus a different region. And you don't want to send people in the craft until you're sure the craft will stay functioning.
 
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Really??... 'Jack by the hedge':

"If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

You were saying...? :rolleyes:

oy vey

I'm saying there's a difference between vertical drop that's independent of muzzle velocity and horizontal distance that is not.
 
thank you for proving you didn't watch the videos I linked.


You're welcome, I don't need to. I know where the "alleged" Van Allen Radiation Belts: start, finish, and breadth in relation to the Earth.

We're still awaiting the visuals for your SUPPORT, btw.


regards
 
1. Really?? What different "REGION" is that, pray tell....?

Then show us "Visually" where the Van Allen Radiation Belts start and finish and breadth in relation to the Earth...?

I suppose we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for this SUPPORT, eh? :thumbsup:

2. I'm not all that focused on the "Electronics" part (which your appeal here is nonsensical, btw), I'm more interested in the "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of Space", part.


regards

Here you go.
 
So when I said "If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"
And you replied "Depends on Muzzle Velocity for the most part."

And then you immediately followed up by quoting me: "Since you've demontrated your mathematical incompetence already..."
And responded "Really?? Go ahead and show where....?"

Basically you answered your own question.

If you are struggling to understand what's funny about that, maybe we should go through it in baby steps. Sorry to everyone else who already gets it.

When you drop something, it falls to the ground. I imagine you're familiar with that idea.
A guy called Isaac Newton came up with some maths which describes the effect in terms of a force of attraction acting between the object you drop and the ground.

Now the rate at which the falling object speeds up is predictable and regular, if we can ignore the resistance of the air. So we can calculate how far it will fall in a chosen amount of time. It's pretty accurate if it's something dense like a rock, but not so good if it's something light like a feather or a piece of paper because of the wind resistance. Stop me if I'm going too fast.

Now I don't know if they taught this in sniper school, but if you roll a ball off the side of a table it takes exactly the same time to hit the floor as if you dropped it from the same height as the table. Although one ball is moving sideways and the other just goes straight down, the time they take to drop is identical. The same goes for things moving sideways a lot faster than a rolled ball. A bullet, for example. And I'm damned sure they would have taught that in sniper school.

Even if the earth was flat, an object launched exactly sideways at enormous speed takes just as long to drop to the ground as a similar object which is simply allowed to fall to the ground from the same height.

So the distance it drops in a particular time does not depend on muzzle velocity. Therefore you were wrong.

Pressing on though, if the object was a rail gun projectile, and travelled at 5,600mph (I believe that's the figure you quoted) it would take 80 seconds to travel 125 miles to its target (again neglecting the drag of the air slowing the projectile down, just as a first approximation.).

By the time it arrived, even if the earth was perfectly flat, the projectile would have dropped below the original point of aim by a distance you can calculate from the simple formula:

s = ½a * t²

Where s is the distance, a is the acceleration due to gravity and t is the time in seconds. If I tell you that a is approximately 9.8 ms-2 or, if you prefer, 32 ft per second per second you can work it out for yourself.

No spoilers but if you get an answer near 20 miles then we probably agree.

So having flown 125 miles in 80 seconds the projectile would have dropped quite a long way. A sniper would know all that, of course. How high was that bulge the rail gun had to shoot over again? :rolleyes:
 
You're welcome, I don't need to. I know where the "alleged" Van Allen Radiation Belts: start, finish, and breadth in relation to the Earth.

We're still awaiting the visuals for your SUPPORT, btw.


regards
The videos have the visuals. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
 
9mm: Muzzle Velocity ~ 400 meters/second AND a...

.223: Muzzle Velocity ~ 1000 meters/second...

They would drop EQUALLY over a given distance ?? :boggled:

"If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

Yep, those are not the same statements.
You are talking about them dropping equally over the same distance.
Jack is talking about them dropping equally over the same time (80 seconds).
 

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