Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Jrrarglblarg said:
Yep, word have meanings. Some of them might even mean what you think they do, but in this case it appears not.
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Well in this case I have read Comey's statements as well as Judge Sullivan's order so you can be assured that i know exactly what I am talking about.
 
Carry on, then, with your eye roll JAQing formless interrogative doubt raising regarding specific use of technical terms outside your expert base.

You seem to have it, or something, well in hand.
 
16.5 said:
Well in this case I have read Comey's statements as well as Judge Sullivan's order so you can be assured that i know exactly what I am talking about.
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Hardly, you mean you have interpreted them to mean what you want them to mean.
 
Carry on, then, with your eye roll JAQing formless interrogative doubt raising regarding specific use of technical terms outside your expert base.

You seem to have it, or something, well in hand.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Carry on, then, with your eye roll JAQing formless interrogative doubt raising regarding specific use of technical terms outside your expert base.

You seem to have it, or something, well in hand.
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Thanks bro, I absolutely will!

Comey making a recommendation to DoJ prosecutors regarding whether or not to bring "criminal charges" does not exactly take an expert to figure out, tho, but if you need help, you let me know
 
16.5 said:
Comey making a recommendation to DoJ prosecutors regarding whether or not to bring "criminal charges" does not exactly take an expert to figure out, tho, but if you need help, you let me know
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Because, as has been repeatedly pointed out previously, and through the statements of experts, the FBI doesn't know what the investigation is until it gets to the end. Turns out, without a crime, it's not a criminal one.

And welcome to page 97. Its been pretty quiet today, except for the other random political discussions, but I'm proud that we knocked off another page!
 
16.5 said:
Well in this case I have read Comey's statements as well as Judge Sullivan's order so you can be assured that i know exactly what I am talking about.
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Which is course the actual important point that no criminal charges have been brought against Clinton. How does it feel to have all those months of desperate hope crushed? Don't worry I'm sure you'll find some glib response to cover you disappointment.
 
RobRoy said:
Because, as has been repeatedly pointed out previously, and through the statements of experts, the FBI doesn't know what the investigation is until it gets to the end. Turns out, without a crime, it's not a criminal one.

And welcome to page 97. Its been pretty quiet today, except for the other random political discussions, but I'm proud that we knocked off another page!
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I think an expert would refer to a an investigation to determine whether a crime has been committed a "criminal investigation."

Judge Sullivan did, he knows what he is talking about.

Hell, take a look at Comey:

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
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That doesn't sound like a "security review."

But what do i know, I just read Judge Sullivan's order again calling it a criminal investigation.

Hillary 2016, Not Indicted Yet!
 
16.5 said:
Well in this case I have read Comey's statements as well as Judge Sullivan's order so you can be assured that i know exactly what I am talking about.
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Those two things ... I don't think they are related in the way you think they are.
 
Garrison said:
Which is course the actual important point that no criminal charges have been brought against Clinton. How does it feel to have all those months of desperate hope crushed? Don't worry I'm sure you'll find some glib response to cover you disappointment.
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actually one would think the important point to her fans was that she is clearly incompetent and everything she told you was a lie...

But it ain't over yet!
 
16.5 said:
Hillary 2016, Not Indicted Yet!
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20+ years and counting!

Either:
  1. Clinton is a criminal mastermind who outwits investigators at every turn.
  2. Every investigator who has looked into her misdeeds is completely incompetent.
  3. Clinton hasn't been guilty of anything criminal.

What Would Occam Do?
 
16.5 said:
I think an expert would refer to a an investigation to determine whether a crime has been committed a "criminal investigation."
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And yet, he didn't use that term, and neither has anyone else.

Judge Sullivan did, he knows what he is talking about.
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Keep clinging to that driftwood. This was already addressed pages ago.

That doesn't sound like a "security review."
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No, what it doesn't sound like is "criminal investigation".

And you already know where "security review" came. I understand you'd like to feign ignorance so you can keep putting forward the definition argument, which doesn't even matter anymore, but, ya know, just cuz:

Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails

IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral - it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes​
 
RobRoy said:
And yet, he didn't use that term, and neither has anyone else.

Keep clinging to that driftwood. This was already addressed pages ago.



No, what it doesn't sound like is "criminal investigation".

And you already know where "security review" came. I understand you'd like to feign ignorance so you can keep putting forward the definition argument, which doesn't even matter anymore, but, ya know, just cuz:

Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails

IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral - it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes​
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1. sure he did, n looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. :thumbsup:

2.Yes, I know, I addressed it. Sullivan said the “privacy interests at stake are high because the government’s criminal investigation” is ongoing and confidential.

3. ICIG's make referrals, FBI does criminal investigations.

After a tremendous amount of work over the last year, the FBI is completing its investigation and referring the case to the Department of Justice for a prosecutive decision.

Y'all might want to look up that word.
 
16.5 said:
1. sure he did,
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Then you should definitely be able to provide evidence where he says this. :thumbsup:

2.Yes, I know, I addressed it. Sullivan said the “privacy interests at stake are high because the government’s criminal investigation” is ongoing and confidential.
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Quoting out of context, on another case, does not now, or nor ever mean what you want it to mean.

3. ICIG's make referrals, FBI does criminal investigations.
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Yes, and that's the point that I was making. That's where the term came from, and the term is accurate.

And as has been previously noted, several times, but apparently is another one of those things you prefer to ignore because it doesn't suit your argument:

The FBI doesn’t open an investigation definitely knowing it will seek charges against someone. If an investigation does not reveal evidence of a crime, or if there is insufficient evidence of criminal conduct, then the investigation will close without any charges filed.

"You don’t know if it’s criminal until you get to the end of it," Pollitt said.​

No one directly associated with the investigation has called it a "criminal investigation".
 
TheL8Elvis said:
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It's over. Without a recommendation from the FBI, the DOJ will not bring charges.

Unless, you want to make an avatar bet on it ? :thumbsup::D
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I'm pretty sure that the AG said when people accused her of obstruction of justice after she talked to an old friend that she would accept the FBI's recommendations.

So, it's over.
 
RobRoy said:
And as has been previously noted, several times, but apparently is another one of those things you prefer to ignore because it doesn't suit your argument:

The FBI doesn’t open an investigation definitely knowing it will seek charges against someone. If an investigation does not reveal evidence of a crime, or if there is insufficient evidence of criminal conduct, then the investigation will close without any charges filed.

"You don’t know if it’s criminal until you get to the end of it," Pollitt said.​

No one directly associated with the investigation has called it a "criminal investigation".
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Talk about quoting out of context! That same article you are cherry picking from says that the FBI was conducting a criminal investigation.

So that is Judge Sullivan, Comey and me.

After a tremendous amount of work over the last year, the FBI is completing its investigation and referring the case to the Department of Justice for a prosecutive decision.
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Oh but he didn't use the exact words criminal investigation in exactly that order!

BWHAHAHA!!!
 
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