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Corbyn's days (very) numbered?

NWO Sentryman said:
So how many are left in Corbyn's cabinet? He must have lost 2/3rds of them by now.
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With apologies to Oscar Wilde

[Lady Bracknell]To lose one third of your cabinet is unfortunate, to lose two thirds suggests carelessness !!! [/Lady Bracknell]
 
MikeG said:
Yes, thank you, as it happens I was aware of that. Are you aware that the question of Britain's membership of the EU is now settled?
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I wouldn't call it settled, no, there is a very long road with a lot of negotiation to go before the UK (or some of it) is not a member of the EU.

If yes, can you suggest why any political party would therefore have a policy on said membership? If no, do you understand the concept of democracy?
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Because all parties really ought to have a policy on something as significant to the UK economy.
 
MikeG said:
The Tories are the only party which will emerge intact (even strengthened in the medium term) from this situation: they now don't have anything to argue about amongst themselves.
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If we (as seems likely at the moment) end up in EFTA then, frankly, they'll still argue amongst themselves. Believing that this has somehow lanced some EU boil from the Tory party is wishful thinking, frankly.

ETA: Hmm, should have proof read that one. An excess of 'frankly's!
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MikeG said:
Yes, thank you, as it happens I was aware of that. Are you aware that the question of Britain's membership of the EU is now settled?
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tbh it's only "almost certainly" settled.

The referendum was non-binding and article 50 has not yet been invoked. I cannot see a set of circumstances in which parliament would ignore the referendum result nor circumstances in which article 50 is not invoked but they may exist.

I think any reasonable person must proceed on the assumption that Britain's membership of the EU is now settled but it has not as yet....
 
angrysoba said:
There's the small matter of what kind of deal the Tories will negotiate with the EU.........
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Whilst you have a point, there have been pages and pages on here about the disengagement of the ignorant voters who didn't understand the consequences of their vote, were too thick to think past xenophobia etc. Does anyone seriously think that the minutiae of trade talks is going to be of any great interest to the great unwashed?

If the Tories can get a new leader in place quickly (the timetable has just been announced) whilst Labour implode, we might just get an early election, in which case nobody's EU policies are going to be of any importance (it's just a question of how few seats Labour are left with). If Labour jettison Corbyn and get their act together quickly, there probably wouldn't be an election until the EU divorce negotiations have completed, in which case nobody's EU policies will be of any importance. Either way, I can't see a party's stance on the EU being important.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
I wouldn't call it settled, no, there is a very long road with a lot of negotiation to go before the UK (or some of it) is not a member of the EU.
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It's already a fait accompli that we're out. That's what the question was about.


Guybrush Threepwood said:
Because all parties really ought to have a policy on something as significant to the UK economy.
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Agreed, but that wasn't what we were talking about.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
I wouldn't call it settled, no, there is a very long road with a lot of negotiation to go before the UK (or some of it) is not a member of the EU.
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But settled will of the people would seem to surely apply.

They could now be given "Brexit-Lite" or "Brexit-practially-invisible" I suppose, as long as it was technically an exit.
 
Tolls said:
If we (as seems likely at the moment) end up in EFTA then, frankly, they'll still argue amongst themselves. Believing that this has somehow lanced some EU boil from the Tory party is wishful thinking, frankly.....
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Not on my account. I'm lifelong Liberal and Lib Dem voter, until the last election. I stand by my forecast, though. This referendum, once everything settles down, will have ended Tory divisions on Europe.
 
Providing Corbyn himself doesn't resign, it doesn't make that much difference. They've just replaced one bunch of people that you've never heard of with a new bunch that you've never heard of.

Of the ones that have resigned so far, I only recognised about four of the faces. Most of these shadow minister jobs are really non-jobs designed to let ambitious politicians begin their slow climb up the greasy pole.
 
ceptimus said:
Most of these shadow minister jobs are really non-jobs designed to let ambitious politicians begin their slow climb up the greasy pole.
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:confused:

Really ?

I thought the shadow cabinet were there to provide a shadow for the cabinet minister, hold them to task and so on. They may not necessarily be particularly glamorous or exciting but if they're done properly they are an important part of parliamentary democracy.
 
I meant the shadow ministers who are NOT part of the shadow cabinet.

Even non-cabinet government ministers are not generally well known. It's a training ground where if they perform well they can eventually earn promotion to a cabinet (or shadow cabinet) job.
 
MikeG said:
Interesting to watch how they have morphed. They were the nutty right wing of the Conservative party to start with, and yet now they seem to be taking the white ill-educated working class from Labour. If Labour had any strength or credibility at all, UKIP would be dead in the water. They have achieved what they set out to achieve (in fact, it was achieved pretty much without them, but that's by-the-by), so what will they be campaigning on at the next general election?
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The up-coming sell-out by the new Tory leadership over freedom of movement (it's economy first for the Tories, immigration first for UKIP), non-EU immigration, and re-patriation. That's my bet.

What will Labour be campaigning on? Nobody has a clue.
 
Agatha said:
He's a few posts short - no shadow Scottish secretary or shadow justice secretary yet. No shadow leader of the commons and no shadow attorney general. Has he run out of MPs that backed his leadership?
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Perhaps just of those who don't resent being his second choice.

So we have effectively no government as BoJo, Gove, Osborne and May jockey to become the not the next leader of the Tories (who has to push the article 50 button) but the one after the next, and no opposition. Not that Corbyn's opposition ever was very effective.
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I'm in my seventh decade and have never seen anything remotely like it.

Maybe Tim Farron will lead the Lib Dems to a resurgence?*


*No, I didn't think so either :D
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I'm not writing anything off.
 
Listening to Corbyn responding to Cameron.

Healey said of Howe that it was like being savaged by a dead sheep, compared to Corbyn, Howe was like Ming the Merciless.......
 
MikeG said:
Yes, thank you, as it happens I was aware of that. Are you aware that the question of Britain's membership of the EU is now settled?
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No, it isn't.

If yes, can you suggest why any political party would therefore have a policy on said membership? If no, do you understand the concept of democracy?
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I understand the sovereignty of Parliament. If Parliament - this one or a newly-elected one - wishes to stop the process it can. I, for one, hope it does.
 
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