Republican state senator leaves party over Trump

[NoahFence]

I love how all of these Republicans and 1%ers are suddenly geniuses to the left wing fundamentalists. Suddenly it's great to be supported by all of the Big Money.

I love how these posters live in a black and white world, where even a hint of agreement with someone means they think that person is a genius.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I love how all of these Republicans and 1%ers are suddenly geniuses to the left wing fundamentalists. Suddenly it's great to be supported by all of the Big Money.

I wouldn't say genius is required. I was speaking to the village idiot the other day and he said, "Orange man bad." And I said, "Yes, Rince. Orange man bad."

 

[pgwenthold]

I love how all of these Republicans and 1%ers are suddenly geniuses to the left wing fundamentalists. Suddenly it's great to be supported by all of the Big Money.

Whereas the guy that Republicans desperately wanted to be President 4 years ago is now being called a RINO because he refuses to support a guy who, 1 year ago, most of the mainstream republicans were describing as a "cancer to conservatisim."

Yes, compared to the current crop of blithering idiots who are the republican party, Mitt Romney IS a genius. Jesus *********** christ, you guys are doing your best to make everyone long for the wisdom of George W Bush.

 

[Trebuchet]

Mitt Romney is worthy of some respect. More than most Republicans, at least.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/polit...trump-racism1032PMVODtopVideo&linkId=25437705

Mentioned in that article but worth repeating here: He's considering voting for Johnson but needs to know more about him. If Weld was at the top of the ticket he would absolutely vote for the L's.

 

[Mader Levap]

I love how all of these Republicans and 1%ers are suddenly geniuses to the left wing fundamentalists. Suddenly it's great to be supported by all of the Big Money.

This remark is quite moronic, considering it comes from supporter of someone that IS Big Money (not that big as he would like everyone to believe, but still a lot of it), not merely "supported by Big Money".

This quip from Romney is also nice:

He's calculated that he could get support even if he shot someone, but if he released his taxes, he'd lose support," Romney said. "So there's something in those taxes that's even worse than shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.

Not neccessairly. These tax records would be final evidence that Trump lied when he was claiming he is worth gazilions of $. Trump's tax records threatens Trump's love for Trump, and nothing in the world is worse for Trump.

 

[varwoche]

...These tax records would be final evidence that Trump lied when he was claiming he is worth gazilions of $. Trump's tax records threatens Trump's love for Trump, and nothing in the world is worse for Trump.

The odds are greater that the "face" on Mars will become animated before Trump ever releases his tax returns. Our only hope is in the hands of Anonymous.

 

[dudalb]

The GOP Convention is getting interesting again.

All hell might break lose in Cleveland, in the Quickenloans Pavilion,and be more enteraning then the NBA finals there have been.....

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I will not stand silent if the party of Lincoln and the end of slavery buckles under the racial bias of a bigot. ...fascists took control of Germany under the same types of strategies [used by Trump].

Abraham Lincoln was an unapologetic believer in the racial inferiority of blacks as compared to whites. He stated this clearly and also stated clearly his belief that blacks must leave the United States after they were freed. These were the views of Thomas Jefferson as well, and basically the views of just about every founder and important thinker in America's development until well into the 20th century.

Lincoln quotes:

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

So, there you have it. His justification for freeing them seems to have probably been mostly "let's free them so we can ship them out of here, because their presence will ruin this country" (which, btw, it has since done) and this is harder and harder to deny the more you look into his efforts in that regard, re: expelling all blacks from the country after the war. It was a popular idea for a long time, and again... this was Jefferon's mindset too.

It is therefore entirely accurate and fair to say that the more racist the GOP becomes, the more openly white supremacist, the more nativist, and the more anti-black, the more worthy of the title "party of Lincoln" it will be. Can anyone deny this?

If we're going to exclude Muslims from traveling to the United States

Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Lincoln and essentially any American of importance from founding until well into the late 20th century (and plenty still today) would have found the idea of permitting Mohametans to become citizens here in any significant numbers to be laughably stupid and not even worth entertaining. They didn't have to put a lot of laws to prevent it in place, because the conditions back then were not yet such that it really presented itself as a serious issue. If it had, they would have employed any and all legal measures to prevent their immigration and of that, there is no doubt.

The founders established the rules in the 1790 immigration act for who could become an American citizen. It had to be a "free white person" and similarly, to cast a vote, one had to be a white male landowner.

Stepping away from racism and openly pro-white policies is what is anti-American and anti-Lincoln and anti-founding fathers and represents a complete, suicidal break from what was taken completely for granted by anyone of importance for the vast majority of this nation's history.

Trump is not who they would be horrified by if they were here now. They might find him clownish, but his "racism" and "nativism" and such would strike them as amazingly tame and nowhere near what was required.

who's next? Are we going to come down on Jews?

Well, there is literally no denying (by any honest, halfway informed person) that Jews have disproportionately acted to chip away at the White Christian Patriarchal character of the U.S. since being allowed to immigrate here in significant numbers because it served their interests to do so. They found themselves mistrusted and excluded, as they had so many times before, and they sought to break down the racial solidarity and cultural cohesion of the white majority in order to make their inroads into positions of power, and the admittance of more of their kinfolk into the country, more possible.

The side-effect of that (if it is a side-effect) is that whites are now on course to soon be a minority in the country that they built and which was built by their ancestors EXPLICITLY for them and them alone. They will not only become a minority, but a hated and targeted one and that is already clearly taking shape.

Again, this isn't even a matter for debate. If you look back at the role of Jews in pushing for huge, transformative changes to immigration law, Emanuel Cellar for instance, and many others, pushed for something like what was finally passed in 1965 all the way back into the 20's and earlier.

Nobody is silly enough to sit here and say "All Jews have a hive mind and have secret meetings where they consciously planned this!" but that never had to be the case for the end result to be the same.

All it requires is a fairly cohesive, intelligent and driven minority group who have adopted a survival strategy which is based on breaking down the majority group's defenses so that they don't get targeted and kicked out again (happened to them well over 100 times in nearly that many nations throughout Europe and elsewhere, and it wasn't for zero reason, it was because of these survival strategies)

These survival strategies make all the sense in the world for a small, vulnerable minority group to adopt. No one can really fault the Jews for landing on these group behaviors and patterns of relation to the larger groups they found themselves living among and at the mercy of. Completely understandable. However, I am not obligated to view things from their perspective. I view things from the perspective of my group, and from THAT perspective, their survival strategy has driven a dagger into the heart of my group and we're currently bleeding out.

It has led directly to Europe being flooded and to the U.S. being on its way to minority white status.

The problem with a survival strategy that involves weakening the host's defenses is that you can't just selectively lower their defenses to your group and your group alone. You lower their defenses to everyone else, too.

 

[Tony Stark]

Abraham Lincoln was an unapologetic believer in the racial inferiority of blacks as compared to whites. He stated this clearly and also stated clearly his belief that blacks must leave the United States after they were freed. These were the views of Thomas Jefferson as well, and basically the views of just about every founder and important thinker in America's development until well into the 20th century.

Lincoln quotes:

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

So, there you have it. His justification for freeing them seems to have probably been mostly "let's free them so we can ship them out of here, because their presence will ruin this country" (which, btw, it has since done) and this is harder and harder to deny the more you look into his efforts in that regard, re: expelling all blacks from the country after the war. It was a popular idea for a long time, and again... this was Jefferon's mindset too.

It is therefore entirely accurate and fair to say that the more racist the GOP becomes, the more openly white supremacist, the more nativist, and the more anti-black, the more worthy of the title "party of Lincoln" it will be. Can anyone deny this?



Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Lincoln and essentially any American of importance from founding until well into the late 20th century (and plenty still today) would have found the idea of permitting Mohametans to become citizens here in any significant numbers to be laughably stupid and not even worth entertaining. They didn't have to put a lot of laws to prevent it in place, because the conditions back then were not yet such that it really presented itself as a serious issue. If it had, they would have employed any and all legal measures to prevent their immigration and of that, there is no doubt.

The founders established the rules in the 1790 immigration act for who could become an American citizen. It had to be a "free white person" and similarly, to cast a vote, one had to be a white male landowner.

Stepping away from racism and openly pro-white policies is what is anti-American and anti-Lincoln and anti-founding fathers and represents a complete, suicidal break from what was taken completely for granted by anyone of importance for the vast majority of this nation's history.

Trump is not who they would be horrified by if they were here now. They might find him clownish, but his "racism" and "nativism" and such would strike them as amazingly tame and nowhere near what was required.



Well, there is literally no denying (by any honest, halfway informed person) that Jews have disproportionately acted to chip away at the White Christian Patriarchal character of the U.S. since being allowed to immigrate here in significant numbers because it served their interests to do so. They found themselves mistrusted and excluded, as they had so many times before, and they sought to break down the racial solidarity and cultural cohesion of the white majority in order to make their inroads into positions of power, and the admittance of more of their kinfolk into the country, more possible.

The side-effect of that (if it is a side-effect) is that whites are now on course to soon be a minority in the country that they built and which was built by their ancestors EXPLICITLY for them and them alone. They will not only become a minority, but a hated and targeted one and that is already clearly taking shape.

Again, this isn't even a matter for debate. If you look back at the role of Jews in pushing for huge, transformative changes to immigration law, Emanuel Cellar for instance, and many others, pushed for something like what was finally passed in 1965 all the way back into the 20's and earlier.

Nobody is silly enough to sit here and say "All Jews have a hive mind and have secret meetings where they consciously planned this!" but that never had to be the case for the end result to be the same.

All it requires is a fairly cohesive, intelligent and driven minority group who have adopted a survival strategy which is based on breaking down the majority group's defenses so that they don't get targeted and kicked out again (happened to them well over 100 times in nearly that many nations throughout Europe and elsewhere, and it wasn't for zero reason, it was because of these survival strategies)

These survival strategies make all the sense in the world for a small, vulnerable minority group to adopt. No one can really fault the Jews for landing on these group behaviors and patterns of relation to the larger groups they found themselves living among and at the mercy of. Completely understandable. However, I am not obligated to view things from their perspective. I view things from the perspective of my group, and from THAT perspective, their survival strategy has driven a dagger into the heart of my group and we're currently bleeding out.

It has led directly to Europe being flooded and to the U.S. being on its way to minority white status.

The problem with a survival strategy that involves weakening the host's defenses is that you can't just selectively lower their defenses to your group and your group alone. You lower their defenses to everyone else, too.

How mad are you that a black man is the President of the United States.

Super mad, I bet.

Stay mad, racist.

 

[dudalb]

How mad are you that a black man is the President of the United States.

Super mad, I bet.

Stay mad, racist.

He is not even trying to hide it now, the way he used to.

 

[NoahFence]

Abraham Lincoln was an unapologetic believer in the racial inferiority of blacks as compared to whites. He stated this clearly and also stated clearly his belief that blacks must leave the United States after they were freed. These were the views of Thomas Jefferson as well, and basically the views of just about every founder and important thinker in America's development until well into the 20th century.

Lincoln quotes:

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

So, there you have it. His justification for freeing them seems to have probably been mostly "let's free them so we can ship them out of here, because their presence will ruin this country" (which, btw, it has since done) and this is harder and harder to deny the more you look into his efforts in that regard, re: expelling all blacks from the country after the war. It was a popular idea for a long time, and again... this was Jefferon's mindset too.

It is therefore entirely accurate and fair to say that the more racist the GOP becomes, the more openly white supremacist, the more nativist, and the more anti-black, the more worthy of the title "party of Lincoln" it will be. Can anyone deny this?



Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Lincoln and essentially any American of importance from founding until well into the late 20th century (and plenty still today) would have found the idea of permitting Mohametans to become citizens here in any significant numbers to be laughably stupid and not even worth entertaining. They didn't have to put a lot of laws to prevent it in place, because the conditions back then were not yet such that it really presented itself as a serious issue. If it had, they would have employed any and all legal measures to prevent their immigration and of that, there is no doubt.

The founders established the rules in the 1790 immigration act for who could become an American citizen. It had to be a "free white person" and similarly, to cast a vote, one had to be a white male landowner.

Stepping away from racism and openly pro-white policies is what is anti-American and anti-Lincoln and anti-founding fathers and represents a complete, suicidal break from what was taken completely for granted by anyone of importance for the vast majority of this nation's history.

Trump is not who they would be horrified by if they were here now. They might find him clownish, but his "racism" and "nativism" and such would strike them as amazingly tame and nowhere near what was required.



Well, there is literally no denying (by any honest, halfway informed person) that Jews have disproportionately acted to chip away at the White Christian Patriarchal character of the U.S. since being allowed to immigrate here in significant numbers because it served their interests to do so. They found themselves mistrusted and excluded, as they had so many times before, and they sought to break down the racial solidarity and cultural cohesion of the white majority in order to make their inroads into positions of power, and the admittance of more of their kinfolk into the country, more possible.

The side-effect of that (if it is a side-effect) is that whites are now on course to soon be a minority in the country that they built and which was built by their ancestors EXPLICITLY for them and them alone. They will not only become a minority, but a hated and targeted one and that is already clearly taking shape.

Again, this isn't even a matter for debate. If you look back at the role of Jews in pushing for huge, transformative changes to immigration law, Emanuel Cellar for instance, and many others, pushed for something like what was finally passed in 1965 all the way back into the 20's and earlier.

Nobody is silly enough to sit here and say "All Jews have a hive mind and have secret meetings where they consciously planned this!" but that never had to be the case for the end result to be the same.

All it requires is a fairly cohesive, intelligent and driven minority group who have adopted a survival strategy which is based on breaking down the majority group's defenses so that they don't get targeted and kicked out again (happened to them well over 100 times in nearly that many nations throughout Europe and elsewhere, and it wasn't for zero reason, it was because of these survival strategies)

These survival strategies make all the sense in the world for a small, vulnerable minority group to adopt. No one can really fault the Jews for landing on these group behaviors and patterns of relation to the larger groups they found themselves living among and at the mercy of. Completely understandable. However, I am not obligated to view things from their perspective. I view things from the perspective of my group, and from THAT perspective, their survival strategy has driven a dagger into the heart of my group and we're currently bleeding out.

It has led directly to Europe being flooded and to the U.S. being on its way to minority white status.

The problem with a survival strategy that involves weakening the host's defenses is that you can't just selectively lower their defenses to your group and your group alone. You lower their defenses to everyone else, too.

^^
Wall of derp.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

How mad are you that a black man is the President of the United States.

Super mad, I bet.

Stay mad, racist.

As mad as I can reasonably be, given that I myself voted for him.

 

[Tony Stark]

As mad as I can reasonably be, given that I myself voted for him.

So you became a racist after that?

 

[Skeptic Tank]

So you became a racist after that?

Yep, about 4 years ago. Wasn't a switch with clear on and off but a process.

 

[Elagabalus]

Talk Rational is looking for a new host so ST has to post here.

 

[Tony Stark]

Yep, about 4 years ago. Wasn't a switch with clear on and off but a process.

At least you're honest. Most racists (say Donald Trump, for example) vehemently deny it.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

At least you're honest. Most racists (say Donald Trump, for example) vehemently deny it.

I don't actually believe there's such a thing as a non-racist, tbh.

I thought I was one when I was a leftist and an Obama voter but now with the clarity I've gained I can look back on that former self and see that he had a lot of these understandings in his brain but was just working very hard to suppress them.

In-group bias is built in to our species. We are tribal (racist) by nature.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

An additional thought, too:

I think well-meaning people like you should expect to continue to be shocked and dismayed over the course of the next decade (or more) as you keep wondering "where are all these racists coming from!?!?!"

They'll be coming from within. Like I did. You wouldn't believe how many former liberal whites I know who are now like me. You'd be terrified. More all the time.

Why? Because race-blind liberalism was a luxury item for whites which they're rapidly realizing can no longer be afforded. The bill has come due.

 

[Tony Stark]

An additional thought, too:

I think well-meaning people like you should expect to continue to be shocked and dismayed over the course of the next decade (or more) as you keep wondering "where are all these racists coming from!?!?!"

They'll be coming from within. Like I did. You wouldn't believe how many former liberal whites I know who are now like me. You'd be terrified. More all the time.

Why? Because race-blind liberalism was a luxury item for whites which they're rapidly realizing can no longer be afforded. The bill has come due.

Too bad for you the racist white vote isn't enough to win the Presidency. And it will get even harder in the future.

I'm not worried. You should be though.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Too bad for you the racists white vote isn't the enough to win the Presidency. And it will get even harder in the future.

I'm not worried. You should be though.

I think you're probably right and Trump probably won't win, and wouldn't be nearly enough if he did.

I don't expect this to be resolved at the ballot box. Sadly.