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Republican state senator leaves party over Trump

Foolmewunz said:
What's anyone reading into it? There is no interpretation required. He stated his reasons for hating Trump. That dislike is strong enough that he's willing to give up his party membership to make a point.

And it may come as a surprise to you and other wits around here, but the whole world does not argue by Internet Debate Points Rules. No one out of a small handful know that someone created a Godwin's Rule. Foolish bastards, they think that comparing a fascist-leaning, self-aggrandizing bigot to Nazis might resonate with Republicans who actually remember what the party used to stand for.

Feel free to tell us what you have read between the lines. Your entire argumentation stinks of Trump. "What? He's a loser. Who needs him."
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I believe his post was made in satire....I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt of not being a complete wingnut.
 
Donald Trump is making the mistakes of putting voice to what Republicans believe but are embarrassed to say.
 
Senator Mark Kirk (Illinois) has withdrawn his support from the Trumpet, stating that he "cannot and will not support my party's nominee for president regardless of the political impact on my candidacy or the Republican Party."
 
catsmate said:
Senator Mark Kirk (Illinois) has withdrawn his support from the Trumpet, stating that he "cannot and will not support my party's nominee for president regardless of the political impact on my candidacy or the Republican Party."
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Have any Dem politicians done the same with Hillary? I heard his interview on NPR and although I recognize my bias, I found it to be a remarkable position for a career politician to take. But maybe it's just me.
 
RobRoy said:
Have any Dem politicians done the same with Hillary? I heard his interview on NPR and although I recognize my bias, I found it to be a remarkable position for a career politician to take. But maybe it's just me.
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You're seeing a lot of people, who as I've said before, are positioning themselves to fight as reformers in the GOP or to even shift their membership to the Democratic Party. That State Senator in Iowa is the guy taking the big chance. He's in a solid conservative area. But he's not shooting for higher office - I think he's 65 and only a state senator. Maybe he actually figured it was time for someone to take a stand. He's roughly my age and from the midwest likely remembers the moderate to progressive Republican Party of old.

For Kirk, it's a strong move, but Illinois will elect Democrats to the Senate, as the current occupant of the White House can attest. He might hold onto some of his personal following in the GOP, have a bunch who hate him but pick up a lot of blue dog Dems and a whole bunch of "Thank You" Dems.
 
GOP civil war:

Sen Susan Collins might support Clinton
Sen Ben Sasse won't vote for Trump
Sen Kirk rescinded his Trump endorsement
Sen Cruz hasn't endorsed; hints that he won't
Gov Kasich hasn't endorsed; hints that he won't
Mitt Romney opposes Trump
Bush family won't endorse
Former Gov Arnold Schwarzenegger apparently won't endorse
Sen McConnell doesn't rule out rescinding his endorsement

That's off the top of my head. I enjoy it immensely.
 
varwoche said:
GOP civil war:

Sen Susan Collins might support Clinton
Sen Ben Sasse won't vote for Trump
Sen Kirk rescinded his Trump endorsement
Sen Cruz hasn't endorsed; hints that he won't
Gov Kasich hasn't endorsed; hints that he won't
Mitt Romney opposes Trump
Bush family won't endorse
Former Gov Arnold Schwarzenegger apparently won't endorse
Sen McConnell doesn't rule out rescinding his endorsement

That's off the top of my head. I enjoy it immensely.
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Gov. Walker has rescinded his endorsement
Sen. Graham opposes Donald
Romney's senior strategist Stuart Stevens opposes Donald

There's probably more.
 
Stacko said:
Gov. Walker has rescinded his endorsement
Sen. Graham opposes Donald
Romney's senior strategist Stuart Stevens opposes Donald

There's probably more.
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There are certainly a lot of great reasons for them to distance themselves from Trump. I wouldn't back him, it seems politically stupid.

Perhaps many of them are protecting their status quo, at least to some degree. He's not a club member and they don't want him in. They've got a good thing goin'!
 
mgidm86 said:
There are certainly a lot of great reasons for them to distance themselves from Trump. I wouldn't back him, it seems politically stupid.

Perhaps many of them are protecting their status quo, at least to some degree. He's not a club member and they don't want him in. They've got a good thing goin'!
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They want to distance themselves from him because he is an openly racist piece of garbage and they (correctly) think that he will damage their brand.
 
mgidm86 said:
There are certainly a lot of great reasons for them to distance themselves from Trump. I wouldn't back him, it seems politically stupid.

Perhaps many of them are protecting their status quo, at least to some degree. He's not a club member and they don't want him in. They've got a good thing goin'!
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If I were a member of a club,and Trump applied for membership,I would sure as hell blackball him just because I don't want anybody that stupid being a member of the club.
 
Bob Dole is supporting Trump because he has an "obligation to the party."

What else can he do, he asks? Have some friggin integrity, maybe.

This is why they have Donald Trump as a candidate.
 
pgwenthold said:
Bob Dole is supporting Trump because he has an "obligation to the party."

What else can he do, he asks? Have some friggin integrity, maybe.

This is why they have Donald Trump as a candidate.
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It's not like Dole has anything to lose....

And that is what I HATE about Party Politics;The idea that as a good party member I need to support any idiot the party nominates.
I am a registered Democrat,but back in 2003 I broke with the party in the California recall election because I felt the Democratic Governor was doing a horrible job.
 
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"Obligation to the party" is defending the religion, the irrational emotive aspects of party politics. They will destroy themselves pointlessly for it. They're willing to compromise their ideals to defend an imaginary abstract of the Republican Party which will be destroyed by their compromises.

Those who are starting to voice dissent are defending the ideology, the intellectual positions underlying conservatism generally. They're willing to compromise their allegiance to letterhead and copyrighted logos to defend the actual meaning and underlying beliefs of their party.

The dissenters may need to call themselves Whigs or something next year and leave The Donald as the last Republican.
 
Mitt Romney is worthy of some respect. More than most Republicans, at least.

Mitt Romney suggested Friday that Donald Trump's election could legitimize racism and misogyny, ushering in a change in the moral fabric of American society.

The 2012 Republican nominee, who has openly opposed Trump's candidacy, went further than he has before in outlining to CNN's Wolf Blitzer how the country's character would suffer in a Trump White House. Trump's rhetoric has caused even some other Republicans to label him a racist, and Romney said he would not be able to paper over his incendiary remarks
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/polit...trump-racism1032PMVODtopVideo&linkId=25437705
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I love how all of these Republicans and 1%ers are suddenly geniuses to the left wing fundamentalists. Suddenly it's great to be supported by all of the Big Money.
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Not supporting a vile racist conman piece of garbage is that is now the leader of your party is worthy of at least some respect.

Every Republican that supports him deserves zero respect whatsoever.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
"Obligation to the party" is defending the religion, the irrational emotive aspects of party politics. They will destroy themselves pointlessly for it. They're willing to compromise their ideals to defend an imaginary abstract of the Republican Party which will be destroyed by their compromises.

Those who are starting to voice dissent are defending the ideology, the intellectual positions underlying conservatism generally. They're willing to compromise their allegiance to letterhead and copyrighted logos to defend the actual meaning and underlying beliefs of their party.

The dissenters may need to call themselves Whigs or something next year and leave The Donald as the last Republican.
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Upon which Donald should change the name of the GOP to the Know Nothing Party.....in more ways then one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
 
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Tony Stark said:
They want to distance themselves from him because he is an openly racist piece of garbage and they (correctly) think that he will damage their brand.
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Exactly. They want the racism to stay in the closet of their platform where it only influences GOP policies.
 
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