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Nothing is irrelevant if you want to understand the nature of space, - also not the nature of release of space tension , a gravitational wave, or shortly spoken so called dark energy.

Great, so let's discuss the relevance of the dump I just took to “the nature of space”. It has the advantage of actual physical relevance as opposed to the crap you spew.

When the interaction has started, 2 particles are united and acts as one.
The interaction is ; unification of process and energy. Possible if the frequencies of 2 particles are as I just described above. It is the continuously spin that prevent disintegration..
Exactly what “frequencies of 2 particles” do you imagine you “just described above”?
Frequency specifically involves time, so I’ll ask again…
OK so now "the “push” / “pull” " don't happen at the same time. How much time is there between them? If you don't know then you don't know that they aren't simultaneous.


[qimg]http://science27.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/img_81.jpg[/qimg]
Probability Density for one nucleon having spin up and the other spin down:
Using an image without citation is a bad idea (called plagiarism), using just one of the five given probability distributions of spin configurations is an even worse idea.


https://www.aps.org/units/gfb/gallery/spin.cfm

Dishonesty will not help you either

Time in QM is a strange factor and make often no sense
No one asked you about “Time in QM”. Claiming that your notion of time “make often no sense” to you should tell you something about the lack of just self-consistency in your own notions.


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It’s all about "space tension”
Different circumstance = different relativistic mass, as we discussed above.
Energy will always seeks for lowest possible levels; this is why a stone fall to the earth and why the pioneer 10 and 11 was decelerating. Everything around you is about “space tension”

You’re the one who asserted “too much energy” and if you don’t know how to figure the energy you don’t know what is “too much energy”. Now trying to conflate the lack of knowledge with your "space tension” will not help you. So again how do you know how much energy is “too much energy”?

The curvature of space is in reality stretching space, caused by space absorbing particles. I am not blaming anyone for anything, just showing you that the thought, - that matter is not matter, - rather space (noting) + energy, - is not new.
Claiming that specifically your nonsense “is not new” is blaming others for that very nonsense.

ETA: Oh, while I'm at it, do you even understand the units of energy (Newton Mater)? As distance (space) is already a sub-unit of energy "space (noting) + energy" is simply redundant (spatially anyway).

Space that is not curved would be Euclidean.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_space
While curved space is non-Euclidian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry

So which category does your space fall into?
That you might confuse curvature for stretching doesn’t mean that others do likewise.




Theis was a Einstein quote
I didn’t ask you who the quotes was from, I asked you to whom the “We” refers.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge.
For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
Albert Einstein
I read the quote, remarked on it and even explained that I said about the same thing before you even cited said quote. Do you even read what you are pretending to reply to?

I am not aware any good evidence proving that light bends.
But I am also not denying it.
If you want to share your own conviction, - is up to you.

Well then, looks like you have some research to do. As noted by Pixel42 just above, it shouldn’t be all that hard even if you are really, really, really, really, really lazy.
 
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Exactly what “frequencies of 2 particles” do you imagine you “just described above”?
Frequency specifically involves time, so I’ll ask again….
EM waves / Frequencies are only measurable if the energy level of a partile is too high, or by separation of a nuclear interaction process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum
Under “neutral “circumstances you will not be able to detect the atom vibration as EMW, - but still the atoms vibrate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-JAkjUbewE

Using an image without citation is a bad idea (called plagiarism), using just one of the five given probability distributions of spin configurations is an even worse idea.
https://www.aps.org/units/gfb/gallery/spin.cfm
Dishonesty will not help you either
The point to show you the photo and the copy paste quote; - “Probability Density for one nucleon having spin up and the other spin down:” – was to show you that particle spin have “density” – that “density is the world as you know it´. - Call it elastic space density…. Or elastic absorbed space density… or whatever you want.

No one asked you about “Time in QM”. Claiming that your notion of time “make often no sense” to you should tell you something about the lack of just self-consistency in your own notions.
You will experience time, a photon not. Also in MQ time is most of the time irrelevant. So if we speak about time in this context you must know that seems from 2 different perspectives, we speak about a contradiction.. I can't see why you need time between spin up and down to anything. There are not time gap between.. So soon one particles is forces to untwist a new particle begin to twist it self into space. But as I wrote, these "2 particles" are now one process, and the energy is always totally twisted into space, regardless how you turn it.. For ex if spin up (pulls) 90% of the energy "now" in this moment, - "spin down" have still 10% energy to push..

You’re the one who asserted “too much energy” and if you don’t know how to figure the energy you don’t know what is “too much energy”. Now trying to conflate the lack of knowledge with your "space tension” will not help you. So again how do you know how much energy is “too much energy”?
“too much energy” is first at all a relative concept, - and as explained above, a result is EM waves transporting that “too much energy” somewhere else.

Space that is not curved would be Euclidean.
Why discuss something hypothetical that most likely not exist.

That you might confuse curvature for stretching doesn’t mean that others do likewise.
“Curvature space” is a blind concept, - the “stretching space” concept allows you to use your imagination.
 
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EM waves / Frequencies are only measurable if the energy level of a partile is too high, or by separation of a nuclear interaction process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum
Under “neutral “circumstances you will not be able to detect the atom vibration as EMW, - but still the atoms vibrate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-JAkjUbewE
Again, what constitutes “too high”? Accelerating charged particle emit electro-magnetic radiation. If you are aware of some “energy level” that would be ‘too low’ for that then it is up to you to present it and not just the EM spectrum and some boob-tube.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation



The point to show you the photo and the copy paste quote; - “Probability Density for one nucleon having spin up and the other spin down:” – was to show you that particle spin have “density” – that “density is the world as you know it´. - Call it elastic space density…. Or elastic absorbed space density… or whatever you want.
No, the image was of a “probability density”, it is called a probability density and not “elastic space density…. Or elastic absorbed space density” because it specifically represents the former. That you assert to “Call it”… “whatever you want” and deliberately drop off the “probability” part of “probability density” to say “that particle spin have “density”” demonstrates that you know you are misrepresenting the image. Stop trying to steal the work of others. As I said dishonesty won’t help you.

Also if you are going to try to use a probability density you should probably know what it means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_density_function


You will experience time, a photon not. Also in MQ time is most of the time irrelevant. So if we speak about time in this context you must know that seems from 2 different perspectives, we speak about a contradiction.. I can't see why you need time between spin up and down to anything. There are not time gap between.. So soon one particles is forces to untwist a new particle begin to twist it self into space. But as I wrote, these "2 particles" are now one process, and the energy is always totally twisted into space, regardless how you turn it.. For ex if spin up (pulls) 90% of the energy "now" in this moment, - "spin down" have still 10% energy to push..

We don’t know that a photon does not experience time, the reference frame transform gives a result that is undefined. Also if time is quantified then it make no sense to speak of time below some limit, like say the Planck time.

Two different perspectives is not a contradiction, especially when we have the transformations to turn the values from one perspective to that of another.

Again frequency requires time, with no time per cycle there is no frequency.

“too much energy” is first at all a relative concept, - and as explained above, a result is EM waves transporting that “too much energy” somewhere else.

Yes, ““too much energy” is first at all a relative concept” specifically relative to how much is enough energy. So again if you don’t know how much energy is enough you don’t know if there is “too much”?


Why discuss something hypothetical that most likely not exist.

OK so now for you flat space “most likely not exist” which means your “space” must be curved.

“Curvature space” is a blind concept, …
Not by your assertion above, by that your “stretching space” must also curve.
- the “stretching space” concept allows you to use your imagination.

As nothing generally prevents people from using their imagination then nothing can particularly allow such. It is simply that in some situations using ones imagination, like say imagining the bus about to hit you at 50 MPH won’t hurt you, is not advisable.

If your assertion is that with your ““stretching space” concept” requires one to use their imaginations then you are just asserting that you know that “concept” to be fantasy.
 
... Stop trying to steal the work of others. ...
Since he can't do any work himself, he has no choice but to steal other people's work:
Rubbish.
You 'modeled' your 'illustration' on someone else's illustration which you posted earlier.
Essentially, you steal other people's work and attempt to change it into a consequence of your own 'theory', which is not an actual theory anyway.
It can not and will likely not change.
 
I am not sure state employees can measure (or even write) anything without sloppiness..
I need to know
  1. Are Galileo 5 and 6 dedicated for testning GR or are all media really lying as you claimed.
  2. Galileo 5 and 6 inclination, - after you spend 17 years at a university why do you now provide it. It will properly only take you few minuts
  3. And same Q to how much elliptic
Thank you for the perfect demonstration of Skitt's Law.
Or are these errors evidences that your theory is not worth considering?

I just love inory!
 
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Again, what constitutes “too high”? Accelerating charged particle emit electro-magnetic radiation. If you are aware of some “energy level” that would be ‘too low’ for that then it is up to you to present it and not just the EM spectrum and some boob-tube.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
Adding thermal Energy / kinetic energy is increasing the energy level, and as a result EMW are emitted.... yes. - And this we can call "too much energy" if we prefer ... yes.

No, the image was of a “probability density”, it is called a probability density and not “elastic space density…. Or elastic absorbed space density” because it specifically represents the former. That you assert to “Call it”… “whatever you want” and deliberately drop off the “probability” part of “probability density” to say “that particle spin have “density”” demonstrates that you know you are misrepresenting the image. Stop trying to steal the work of others. As I said dishonesty won’t help you.
A different interpretation is not stealing others work.

We don’t know that a photon does not experience time; the reference frame transform gives a result that is undefined. Also if time is quantified then it makes no sense to speak of time below some limit, like say the Planck time.
Undefined or no time is the same pipe of tobacco, and you can even add to all this, - that photons reality is beyond our imagination.
This is one of the reasons that it not always make any sense really to understand QM in a rational way.
Try to Google; “photons experiences no time” if you never hear about it.

Yes, ““too much energy” is first at all a relative concept” specifically relative to how much is enough energy. So again if you don’t know how much energy is enough you don’t know if there is “too much”?
“too much” is when EMW are emitted.

Two different perspectives is not a contradiction, especially when we have the transformations to turn the values from one perspective to that of another.
I don’t agree, because as I said, you cannot understand the photons reality, seen from its own perspective, - it’s as I said beyond the imagination.

Again frequency requires time, with no time per cycle there is no frequency.
Again I don’t know why you want to spilt the interaction process, into sequences of time?

Yes, ““too much energy” is first at all a relative concept” specifically relative to how much is enough energy. So again if you don’t know how much energy is enough you don’t know if there is “too much”?
“Enough” is just before EMW are emitted.

OK so now for you flat space “most likely not exists” which means your “space” must be curved.
I don’t like the expression “curved” – rather deformation, or stretched space, or space tension. I can’t imagine any unaffected places in the universe.
So all space is deformed by gravity...

Not by your assertion above, by that your “stretching space” must also curve.
Space itself is not “curved” – but only stretching.
How this affects for example light is a different story.

As nothing generally prevents people from using their imagination then nothing can particularly allow such. It is simply that in some situations using ones imagination, like say imagining the bus about to hit you at 50 MPH won’t hurt you, is not advisable.
And now, how can you tell grandmother about what “curvature space” really is ?
She would face 2 major problems...
Problem-1 is – it is impossible to imagine, - nobody ever did so in a proper way....
Problem 2 – impossible to prove, since as I said, because the sky is blue it is not sure it is because of oxygen is blue.

Rather you can say; imagine you are looking at a 10.000 pieces puzzle, one pieces is missing, - it’s easy to imagine how this last piece must look- , right?
Stretching - absorbing elastic space, - is the same story – these missing few pieces are easy to imagine, based on an overall picture of knowledge, - off course correct interpreted... – in contrast to the “curvature of space” concept , - which is rather always a “blind" and incoherent concept, - and therefore most likely only fantasy.

Within 2 years you will see that SR was based on 100% wrong interpretation.
So yes imagination is a good thing, because we began to understand that space and time was really strange subjects. But imagination can and will take us much further on that road.. And as I said the first place imagination will strike is a completely redefinition of SR and later also of GR..
You will see, in the meantime take it easy boy
 
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Rather you can say; imagine you are looking at a 10.000 pieces puzzle, one pieces is missing, - it’s easy to imagine how this last piece must look- , right?
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Your problem is that you do not have 9.999 pieces of the puzzle and the ones you can see you don't understand.
Your other problem is that you do 'not quite' understand this.

You simply do not have any capacity to contribute to science. You have the capacity to contribute fairy stories, but no science.

No need to tell us we will all see. We already see it :D
 
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Adding thermal Energy / kinetic energy is increasing the energy level, and as a result EMW are emitted.... yes. - And this we can call "too much energy" if we prefer ... yes.
Only if you want to make “too much energy” essentially meaningless as any collection of particles above absolute zero would emit IR radiation. Also as stated before an accelerating charged particle emits EM radiation. So they too would just have "too much energy". Once again you have yet to define what is enough energy.

A different interpretation is not stealing others work.

Deliberately misinterpreting and mis-representing, to your own ends, is trying to steal the work of others.

Undefined or no time is the same pipe of tobacco, and you can even add to all this, - that photons reality is beyond our imagination.
Nope, zero time is quite well defined.

This is one of the reasons that it not always make any sense really to understand QM in a rational way.
Try to Google; “photons experiences no time” if you never hear about it.

You seem to be confusing the implications of relativity with those of quantum mechanics.

“too much” is when EMW are emitted.
Nope, EM radiation is emitted when charged particles accelerate/decelerate. Your conflation makes the assertion of “too much” meaningless.




I don’t agree, because as I said, you cannot understand the photons reality, seen from its own perspective, - it’s as I said beyond the imagination.
Well if you don’t know and even say you can’t imagine then you have absolutely no basis, even just by your own assertions, to assert there is a contradiction.

Again I don’t know why you want to spilt the interaction process, into sequences of time?

I certainly never asked you to “spilt the interaction process, into sequences of time”, just give us the time for the interaction or some number of the same interactions.

“Enough” is just before EMW are emitted.

Well since a charged particle will have more energy after it accelerates and emits EMR your “enough” isn’t related to the amount of energy of the particle.


I don’t like the expression “curved” – rather deformation, or stretched space, or space tension. I can’t imagine any unaffected places in the universe.
So all space is deformed by gravity...
Sorry, it’s not about what you may or may not like. Curved and flat space have well defined properties.

Space itself is not “curved” – but only stretching.
How this affects for example light is a different story.
By your own assertion before against flat space means it must be curved.

And now, how can you tell grandmother about what “curvature space” really is ?
She would face 2 major problems...
Speak to your own grandmothers, mine were quite intelligent and could read.

Problem-1 is – it is impossible to imagine, - nobody ever did so in a proper way....
You don’t have to imagine it, as curved space has well defined properties.

Problem 2 – impossible to prove, since as I said, because the sky is blue it is not sure it is because of oxygen is blue.
We know why the sky is blue so your analogy fails like your assertion of “impossible”.

Rather you can say; imagine you are looking at a 10.000 pieces puzzle, one pieces is missing, - it’s easy to imagine how this last piece must look- , right?
Depends on the puzzle, the 9,999 pieces you do have may only and all connect to the missing piece. Your imagination fails you.


Stretching - absorbing elastic space, - is the same story – these missing few pieces are easy to imagine, based on an overall picture of knowledge, - off course correct interpreted... – in contrast to the “curvature of space” concept , - which is rather always a “blind" and incoherent concept, - and therefore most likely only fantasy.

Within 2 years you will see that SR was based on 100% wrong interpretation.
So yes imagination is a good thing, because we began to understand that space and time was really strange subjects. But imagination can and will take us much further on that road.. And as I said the first place imagination will strike is a completely redefinition of SR and later also of GR..
You will see, in the meantime take it easy boy

Yet your imagination continues to fail you as you confuse imagination for understanding and I ain’t been a “boy” for some forty odd years. Stop imagining and start learning.
 
15th October 2009 Bjarne: THE WASP-18b & Space Probes Mysteries (first appearance of the RR fantasy here).

7th March 2012 Bjarne: Why RR is a fantasy and Bjarne debunks RR again and again which includes: 24th October 2009: Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)? - not yet :eek:!

The first thing to do when you are digging a pit of ignorance and fantasies is to stop digging :jaw-dropp!
 
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Theis was a Einstein quote
I know English is your second language, Bjarne, but you should be able to understand that a quote not containing "absorbed" or "space" is not about "absorbed space" :jaw-dropp.

Einstein talking about imagination does not make every ignorant fantasy in the world correct.
 
Only if you want to make “too much energy” essentially meaningless as any collection of particles above absolute zero would emit IR radiation. Also as stated before an accelerating charged particle emits EM radiation. So they too would just have "too much energy". Once again you have yet to define what is enough energy.
Yes all mass-particles are constantly trying to reach lower possible energy level..

Deliberately misinterpreting and mis-representing, to your own ends, is trying to steal the work of others.
The world is like the eyes see it. Who shall judge what is misinterpreting and mis-representing, - you ?

Nope, zero time is quite well defined.
Zero time = no existence and of that simple reason nonsense. The fact that nonsense now is well define as nonsense, don’t change the fact that nonsense now is nonsense.


You seem to be confusing the implications of relativity with those of quantum mechanics.
At the level at “space tension” QM and GR are united.
This is what I am trying to say.
If you call it confusion, - OK for me.

Nope, EM radiation is emitted when charged particles accelerate/decelerate. Your conflation makes the assertion of “too much” meaningless.
Yes all particles are constantly trying to reach lower energy level"… ..
Each phenomena is important, to study and understand, in order better understand the QM / GR unification process.
I have only scratching the surface. It’s a very important and interesting area of physic to dig deeper into..

I certainly never asked you to “spilt the interaction process, into sequences of time”, just give us the time for the interaction or some number of the same interactions.
Didn’t get you,
Everything is a question of frequencies.
I gave you a link, showing a discovery of a vibration atom, but you don’t like the way universities and news use YouTube, - so better do you own research.

Well since a charged particle will have more energy after it accelerates and emits EMR your “enough” isn’t related to the amount of energy of the particle.
Enough is not a prefect expression to use, .

Sorry, it’s not about what you may or may not like. Curved and flat space have well defined properties.
Flat space makes no sense.

By your own assertion before against flat space means it must be curved.
I answered this Q many time, but you don’t seem to understand it.

Speak to your own grandmothers, mine were quite intelligent and could read.
Boasting............no grandmother in the world and also no you, will never be able to image what “the curvature of space really is” - for example.., - what is it made of ?
This first simple Q shows that this fantasy is much too far out on Jens Peters Jensen plowed field.

You don’t have to imagine it, as curved space has well defined properties.
You mean well defined nonsense.

We know why the sky is blue so your analogy fails like your assertion of “impossible”.
But you don’t know what so-called curvature of space really is, - for example what is it made of, so the analogy succeeded.

You have some math and VUPS now is space curved..
How ridiculously superficial incohorent and unscientific
 
...You have some math and VUPS now is space curved..
How ridiculously superficial incohorent and unscientific
Nonsense and ignorance do not make science, Bjarne.
What is curved in curved spacetime is spacetime :jaw-dropp!
GR has curved spacetime and has been tested against the real universe :jaw-dropp! GR is coherent. GR is scientific.

On the other hand we have: The RR fantasy appearing on 15 October 2009 here, continued ignorance of high school level science and digging a pit of fantasies from Bjarne.
 
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Nonsense and ignorance do not make science, Bjarne.
What is curved in curved spacetime is spacetime :jaw-dropp!
GR has curved spacetime and has been tested against the real universe :jaw-dropp! GR is coherent. GR is scientific.

On the other hand we have: The RR fantasy appearing on 15 October 2009 here, continued ignorance of high school level science and digging a pit of fantasies from Bjarne.

The point is, yes space deforms, yes space is stretching, and times follows the proportional change of everything. ....

BUT - we have no evidence that support that space is curved, or that matter must follow such curved strange impossible to imagine mysterious “structure” of space..

We have no evidence what so ever that GR is the correct theory for gravity.

Rather "stretching space" is an elastic property, and this is the cause of gravity. Easy to imagine even for grandmother...

Yes gravitational lensing is true
But this will also be true in a universe where gravity is stretching space, and everything within it...

Now look out of your window, you can see cars threes cows, and space, - and in this you have distance and therefore also time.

Now look out of your window again, - now everything is stretched to a factor 2, - (also time) compared to before.

This tells you how gravity is stretching everything included time -- the 2 "picture" differencies even tell you what gravitational lensing really is.

That’s all, so simple, nothing more than this is necessary.

No reason for curvature of space bla bla bla…
and that this extra blab la bla is the cause of gravity blab la bla bla –
just because this extra unnecessary blab blab bla bla is well defined bla bla blap blap..
 
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Is there any chance that Bjarne, Farsight and LiquidSpacetime are the same person?

All three certainly seem to register about the same on my Kook-meter!
 
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